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AuthorTopic: Toni Wilen adding PPC emulation in WinUAE?  (Read 15234 times)

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Offline Linde

Re: Toni Wilen adding PPC emulation in WinUAE?
« Reply #30 on: August 03, 2014, 06:53:13 PM »
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They are going for over £40 here for a g5 powermac, double that for a g4 MacBook. I haven't checked these are supported by morphos because I'd need to find somewhere to put it and it's already too expensive to then add the cost of morphos on the top.


Of course it's more expensive than not using a particular piece of hardware to run it, but compare the price to the existing options you have of running Amiga OS 4
 

Offline psxphill

Re: Toni Wilen adding PPC emulation in WinUAE?
« Reply #31 on: August 03, 2014, 07:50:43 PM »
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but compare the price to the existing options you have of running Amiga OS 4

That doesn't help. If the cost of the hardware is > 0 in terms of money and space, it's too expensive.
 

Offline itix

Re: Toni Wilen adding PPC emulation in WinUAE?
« Reply #32 on: August 03, 2014, 08:44:02 PM »
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That doesn't help. If the cost of the hardware is > 0 in terms of money and space, it's too expensive.


Makes sense. Even if it is free it can be difficult to justify needed space for yet another computer. I have this problem but other way around: I'd like to buy a gaming PC to my gf but I dont know where to put it. I can imagine many potential users are not willing to get PPC even when they got it for free.
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Offline wawrzon

Re: Toni Wilen adding PPC emulation in WinUAE?
« Reply #33 on: August 03, 2014, 09:12:50 PM »
The purpose of uae is to provide amiga hardware emu in order to run amiga software that depends on it. Os4 doesnt need amiga hardware, on the contrary it depends on standard hardware and has been particularly ported to support amiga chipset. If anybody wanted it would be easier to use plain ppc emu alone instead trying to fit it within uae.
 

Offline wawrzon

Re: Toni Wilen adding PPC emulation in WinUAE?
« Reply #34 on: August 03, 2014, 11:19:51 PM »
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Heck i would be happy using os3.9 to just to see what PPC is like on it :)


and what do you expect? because there will not be any noticeable difference. practically every ppc software title or library there was for warpos has a 68k version. on real hardware this was question of speed for particular tasks like image decoding or so, but what difference could that make under winuae on a fast pc today? none.
 

Offline magnetic

Re: Toni Wilen adding PPC emulation in WinUAE?
« Reply #35 on: August 03, 2014, 11:22:29 PM »
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Well... exactly. OS4 is overpriced for what you get. I don't see why it should cost that much..


It cost that much because its an incredibly small niche market. I thought that would be obvious...
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Offline magnetic

Re: Toni Wilen adding PPC emulation in WinUAE?
« Reply #36 on: August 03, 2014, 11:24:45 PM »
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I can imagine many potential users are not willing to get PPC even when they got it for free.


I can tell you i'm typing this now on a dual core win 7 laptop but would rather have a 1.67 mhz powerbook to dual boot morphos and osx. Problem is there is no longer good support for PPC for alot of net technologies nowadays. I really like the design and feel of the aluminum powerbooks. I sure miss my old one with illuminated keys!
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Re: Toni Wilen adding PPC emulation in WinUAE?
« Reply #37 on: August 04, 2014, 08:35:31 AM »
Using my 17.3" quad core i7 (8 with hyper threading) laptop I prefer the i7 as my Pegasos sits idle of late :-/
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Re: Toni Wilen adding PPC emulation in WinUAE?
« Reply #38 on: August 04, 2014, 08:56:37 AM »
If this does come about I'll sell the Pegasos and buy a cheap x86. I imagine WinUAE PPC will be a lot faster than the Pegasos and I'll be able to have more than 2GB of RAM and not have to worry about drivers for graphics cards etc :-)
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Offline psxphill

Re: Toni Wilen adding PPC emulation in WinUAE?
« Reply #39 on: August 04, 2014, 10:05:01 AM »
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Os4 doesnt need amiga hardware, on the contrary it depends on standard hardware and has been particularly ported to support amiga chipset. If anybody wanted it would be easier to use plain ppc emu alone instead trying to fit it within uae.

Adding it to uae makes sense as there are old amiga software that uses the ppc as well. For running OS4 in it's best configuration then an amiga probably isn't the best choice, but it's likely to be the easiest.
 
There is no such thing as "standard hardware" even in the PC world, you either make hardware that is compatible with some hardware that there is already a driver for or you write drivers to make the operating systems work with your hardware.
 
Whatever hardware you emulate it's got to be one of the specific configurations that os4 already runs on. Unless you're also going to start hacking os4.
 
Making a ppc emulator that interfaces directly to the hardware would be interesting, but without an operating system and an abstraction layer then you'll suffer the same lack of drivers that plagues hackintosh and to a lesser extent Linux.
 

Offline xeno74

Re: Toni Wilen adding PPC emulation in WinUAE?
« Reply #40 on: August 04, 2014, 11:04:13 AM »
Hi All,

I'm testing Mac OS X on Mac-on-Linux and on QEMU on my A1-X1000. I have installed PearPC for a fast installation of OS X on my PC (Intel Xeon quad core 4x 2.93GHz). The PearPC ppc emulation acceleration is fantastic and impressive on my PC.

Mac OS X 10.2 Jaguar shows me a G3 processor with 2.33GHz on PearPC. OS X/PPC is very fast on my PC.



Unfortunately the Jaguar image doesn't boot on Mac-on-Linux and on QEMU with KVM on my A1-X1000. But it boots on QEMU without KVM kernel modul. Jaguar shows me 433 MHz without KVM on my A1-X1000.



If WinUAE supports PPC emulation then I have a virtual CyberStorm PPC card with 2.33GHz on my PC. On my A1-X1000 I have 433MHz. 433MHz is not bad for a Classic Amiga.

This could be a big chance for Cloanto. Cloanto could offer an Amiga Forever with an OS4.1 Classic image. This would be a sensation.

Offline psxphill

Re: Toni Wilen adding PPC emulation in WinUAE?
« Reply #41 on: August 04, 2014, 12:32:31 PM »
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This could be a big chance for Cloanto. Cloanto could offer an Amiga Forever with an OS4.1 Classic image. This would be a sensation.

It could be, it could also destroy the business model as without overpriced hardware there is no money for future OS4 development.
 
Once OS4 development has finished it will make a lot of sense though.
 

Offline magnetic

Re: Toni Wilen adding PPC emulation in WinUAE?
« Reply #42 on: August 04, 2014, 08:04:44 PM »
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It could be, it could also destroy the business model as without overpriced hardware there is no money for future OS4 development.
 
Once OS4 development has finished it will make a lot of sense though.


lulz! Over priced hardware is the main reason many people left the "scene" years ago! the decision not to go ppc mac for os4 was suicide imho
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Offline xeno74

Re: Toni Wilen adding PPC emulation in WinUAE?
« Reply #43 on: August 06, 2014, 09:01:27 PM »

Offline magnetic

Re: Toni Wilen adding PPC emulation in WinUAE?
« Reply #44 on: August 06, 2014, 11:01:56 PM »
Wow just wow. If this really happens wow (again)
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