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Offline Ilwrath

Re: How on EARTH do i get shapeshifter going?
« Reply #15 on: May 28, 2014, 04:54:30 PM »
Quote from: Leifern;765173
Thank you! I changed the name of the HD of the partition on both sides, rebooted and it actually worked. I don't understand how, but I was able to move some games over and decompress them. I even managed to boot into the OS using AGAboost. Everything is moving PAINFULLY slow, but it works. I don't see how it can be possible to play a game on this setup, but it is fun to have MacOS 7.6.1 running inside the Workbench.

I have seen people playing Wolfenstein on a similar setup to mine, but I was just barely able to get Masters of Orion crawling along.


Hmm...  Are you sure the "similar" setups were running AGA, and not a video card?  That makes a HUGE difference to Mac emulation.  Trying to make AGA run even a 16 color Mac is an exercise in trying to run your desktop through a slideshow.
 

Offline kickstart

Re: How on EARTH do i get shapeshifter going?
« Reply #16 on: May 28, 2014, 09:29:15 PM »
@illwrath

Shapeshifter isnt a slideshow on aga, you can play games perfectly, there some videos from Cammy running photoshop on amiga 600.
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Offline ElPolloDiabl

Re: How on EARTH do i get shapeshifter going?
« Reply #17 on: May 28, 2014, 11:10:49 PM »
I couldn't get it to work. I'll have to go over the guide thoroughly.
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Offline Leifern

Re: How on EARTH do i get shapeshifter going?
« Reply #18 on: May 29, 2014, 08:57:49 AM »
I tried using a different rom (quadra), but it made little or no differenece. I was using LC III. The OS is running smoothly, but processing is slow, on 2-4 colors, however 256 (for running games) is just completely unusable. About 1-5 fps. I remember getting great results with 060 and RTG, having no problems running Settlers II or similar games, but off course I'm not surprised there is a big difference to 030 AGA.

I would love to get some older games running tough. Finale (for musical notation. Of which there are no good alternatives on 3.x) seems usable, which is good. It runs in two colors and   quite smoothly.
 

Offline Varthall

Re: How on EARTH do i get shapeshifter going?
« Reply #19 on: May 29, 2014, 05:08:09 PM »
On AGA, a turbocard with MMU greatly helps speeding up the graphic refresh, I remember that on my 1200 with a Blizzard 1230 a 256 colors screen was fast enough for most games, using the Savage driver.
Since your CPU lacks an MMU, I suggest you try all the alternative AGA video drivers which don't require an MMU, like AGABoost or AmigaAGA-EVD, you might be able to get an usable 16 colors screen:

http://aminet.net/search?query=shapeshifter

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Offline Leifern

Re: How on EARTH do i get shapeshifter going?
« Reply #20 on: April 02, 2018, 08:21:35 PM »
Ok, I'm going to necromance this thread for a bit. I keep forgetting how this thing works every time I try to set it up. It's always years between each try, and this time the insanely helpfull hardfile made by Cammy is nowhere to be found. :(

So I'me setting things up on winuae now, on a CF-card that is going in my A1200. At the moment I still have the aformentioned ACA1232 but I am in the marked for something faster so mac-emulation is on the table again. :)

I have the System 7.6.1 CD and ISO and I am trying to get the OS installed in shapeshifter through workbench 3.1 on Winuae. It's turning into a bit of a puzzle. I am able to get the iso unto winuae and mounted in WB 3.1 but as CD0:???. I'm assuming the amiga is confused about the filesystem. So I thought that shapeshifter might make sense of it but shapeshifters "BOOT FROM: CD ROM" makes no difference.

Does anyone have any suggestions?
 

Offline kreciu

Re: How on EARTH do i get shapeshifter going?
« Reply #21 on: April 02, 2018, 10:25:14 PM »
Quote from: Leifern;765159
Also, i am unable to get agaboost running. I am on an ACA 1232/ec 40mhz. Ive tried pal hires and laced, 256colors and refresh2 and 3. I feel stupid and would GREATLY appreciate any help or nods in the cirrect directiln.

Sorry for the spelling, i am on my phone and the keyboard is not agreeing with me.

On O30/40Mhz and AGA don't try to install it with 256 color, that is for sure (later you can try it but...). It will make things way faster. Try 16 colors.

Installation from floppies works the same as any Mac from the time you start Shapeshifter? IF you don't have floppy in the drive Shapeshifter/Macrom will ask for disc from which you will install MacOS. The same with CD, you should be able to boot from CD, IF everything is configured in Shapeshifter properly (and there is not that much... actually!).
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Offline Leifern

Re: How on EARTH do i get shapeshifter going?
« Reply #22 on: April 02, 2018, 10:36:19 PM »
Quote from: kreciu;838172
On O30/40Mhz and AGA don't try to install it with 256 color, that is for sure (later you can try it but...). It will make things way faster. Try 16 colors.

Installation from floppies works the same as any Mac from the time you start Shapeshifter? IF you don't have floppy in the drive Shapeshifter/Macrom will ask for disc from which you will install MacOS. The same with CD, you should be able to boot from CD, IF everything is configured in Shapeshifter properly (and there is not that much... actually!).


Thank you for the response, Kreciu. I don't have to OS on floppies sadly. It is the setup og the CD I am enquiering about really. I don't have a CD-rom on my Amiga, so I am setting everything up in winuae, and I cannot figure out how to do it so that shapeshifter sees the CD (workbench sees it fine, but as CD0:???).
 

Offline bbond007

Re: How on EARTH do i get shapeshifter going?
« Reply #23 on: April 02, 2018, 10:46:24 PM »
Quote from: Leifern;765173
Thank you! I changed the name of the HD of the partition on both sides, rebooted and it actually worked. I don't understand how, but I was able to move some games over and decompress them. I even managed to boot into the OS using AGAboost. Everything is moving PAINFULLY slow, but it works. I don't see how it can be possible to play a game on this setup, but it is fun to have MacOS 7.6.1 running inside the Workbench.

I have seen people playing Wolfenstein on a similar setup to mine, but I was just barely able to get Masters of Orion crawling along.


Seems to run rather well on this 030 with MMU:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jph0gxzL3UI
« Last Edit: April 02, 2018, 10:53:19 PM by bbond007 »
 

Offline Vlabguy1

Re: How on EARTH do i get shapeshifter going?
« Reply #24 on: April 03, 2018, 02:51:58 AM »
Quote from: Leifern;765105
Hello,

I have been trying to get shapeshifter to install an OS for hours now and I have no idea what to do. I could really use some help! I have some 7.5 and 7.6 files (mostly .dsk and anpackaged files). I understand that I need a boot disk or something but I have no idea where to get one. Years ago I ran OS 8.1 on my 060 and I don@t remember there being any problems. Now I am just completely dumbfounded.

I am setting my system up in WinUAE, having connected my real amiga HDD. My amiga is an A1200 with an ACA1232/40mzh (noMMU). I am planning on getting an indivision.

All the guides I have read point to files that are no longer around (MACOS761.lha) or seem to assume knowledge that I sadly do not have. I would be extremely thankful if someone could help guide me through the setup process so that I can enjoy some mac emulation on my amiga again.


Had it running as well many years ago..I think it was 7.1 maybe but I can’t remember now.  I have an Emplant Deluxe board and an  AMax II+ board.  I wonder if either of those would make it easier to run Shapshifter.

Rich
 

Offline bbond007

Re: How on EARTH do i get shapeshifter going?
« Reply #25 on: April 03, 2018, 03:11:09 AM »
Quote from: Leifern;765105
Hello,

I am setting my system up in WinUAE, having connected my real amiga HDD. My amiga is an A1200 with an ACA1232/40mzh (noMMU). I am planning on getting an indivision.

I do think performance may be lack of MMU, however I believe ACA have a kickrom function and if you extract your rom,  modify with supplied utility, and kick that you can eliminate prepearemul.
 

Offline Leifern

Re: How on EARTH do i get shapeshifter going?
« Reply #26 on: April 03, 2018, 10:17:48 AM »
I've managed to boot now, using a boot disk. And I've managed to initialize the HDD partition. It seems that Shapeshifter sees the CD's just fine, just none of the System 7.6.1 ISO's I've found. The system recovery CD shows up in the mac without problem. So I guess it IS all set up correctly, It's just the CD images that are either corrupt or in a format that my shapeshifting Amiga fails to understand.

EDIT: And now I've managed to install System 7.5.3 without trouble. It seems there was something with system 7.6.1 that made things go belly up. None of the 4 iso's I found worked. I'll make sure to save these files that I've used and upload them somewhere now that Cammy's hdf is lost.
« Last Edit: April 03, 2018, 11:32:06 AM by Leifern »
 

Offline jsixis

Re: How on EARTH do i get shapeshifter going?
« Reply #27 on: April 03, 2018, 04:36:26 PM »
don't bother, I wasted a year of my life getting that to run on my Amiga 3000 with a Warp 040 board and while I suceeded in getting the mac to boot it was quite pathetic.
 You can buy a working mac that will be faster for $300.
 

Offline fishy_fiz

Re: How on EARTH do i get shapeshifter going?
« Reply #28 on: April 03, 2018, 05:20:03 PM »
All classic MacOS files can be found via this link:

http://lowendmac.com/2013/classic-mac-os-downloads-and-updates/

Apple itself hosts up to OS8.x and it is available to download for free, but they tend to rearrange files so it can be a bit of a hunt.

In regards to performance, try experimenting with different drivers. It can make a huge difference.
Disregard comments suggesting it's not worth it. As many users and videos show it can be very similar to an equivalent specced Mac (the myth that it's faster is inaccurate, but the difference is in the realm of %25).
Near as I can tell this is where I write something under the guise of being innocuous, but really its a pot shot at another persons/peoples choice of Amiga based systems. Unfortunately only I cant see how transparent and petty it makes me look.
 

Offline nicholas

Re: How on EARTH do i get shapeshifter going?
« Reply #29 on: April 03, 2018, 09:06:09 PM »
Quote from: fishy_fiz;838204
(the myth that it's faster is inaccurate, but the difference is in the realm of %25).


Funny you should say that as I just watched this video on that very subject lol

https://youtu.be/Jph0gxzL3UI
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