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Re: New improved intuition.library version from the Kickstart 3.1
« Reply #315 on: September 06, 2014, 05:48:07 PM »
Quote from: biggun;772463
Isn't this the same with Linux for example?
Also Linux as it - is just a Kernel.
All the programs in Linux are gnu tools and do actually not belong to Linux.

Which is certainly true, and distributions - or people preparing distributions - invest quite some time to compile a selection of programs that work well together with the kernel.

However, for AmigaOs the situation is in so far more complicated as even some "outside the kernel" components might be required, and unlike typical Linux distributions and GNU tools, the binaries are typically non-distributable (unless you can still negotiate with the author or owner).

Also, Linux distributions compile and patch the user-space tools to match the needs of the distribution, probably fix some minor bugs here and there. That's also not possible for most AmigaOs programs as sources are not available.

One way or another: The task for AROS is much bigger than for Linux. There is no sufficiently large ecosystem of free and open source software to make the system self-sustainable. Or at least "not yet".

Thus, anyone complaining that AmigaOs sources "are not available" should then contribute to AROS - that seems to be the only logical consequence for me.
 

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Re: New improved intuition.library version from the Kickstart 3.1
« Reply #316 on: September 06, 2014, 06:05:53 PM »
Quote from: TheMagicM;771705
What if it was released as open source...  I wonder how much better WB 3.x can actually get.


Check out AmigaOS4.1 or Morphos and you will find out ;) it will just be a lot slower on the old hardware.
 

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Re: New improved intuition.library version from the Kickstart 3.1
« Reply #317 on: September 06, 2014, 11:03:00 PM »
Quote from: itix;772451
If there was 3.5/3.9 ROM chip with BVision support in boot menu it could have been much much better... dont you hate it when it stops booting and you dont have TV near? :)

The BlizzardPPC had a feature that would constantly copy the current screen from chip ram to BVision ram. It would be enabled if something was displayed during the boot process and disabled as soon as the first non PAL:Hires screen was opened. Display wasn't all that fast, but fast enough for BVision setup, ESM, or booting without startup-sequence.

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Sometimes I was thinking my Amiga 1200 was better without those stupid complex expansions.

Yeah, a highly expanded A1200 is a major PITA if you're trying to get some real use out of it.
 

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Re: New improved intuition.library version from the Kickstart 3.1
« Reply #318 on: September 07, 2014, 07:55:04 AM »
Quote from: Minuous;772453
Well, if you revert enough of OS3.5/3.9 you can turn it back to OS3.1.

"enough" is subjective. I consider the Amiga Technologies badge and the floppy hack on the A1200 to be trivial to revert, while I don't consider having to install a CD drive to be trivial.

I don't have a problem with icon or datatype changes, even a standard tcpip stack is a good idea. Some of the bundled software wasn't the best examples out there though, but it tried to gain traction by virtue of it being distributed on the official media.

Quote from: Minuous;772453
It's a bit like saying that a PPC Mac or Intel Mac isn't actually a Mac, only a 68K Mac is a real Mac. I suspect that if anyone went to a Mac forum and claimed such a thing there would be howls of derision.

Apple didn't go bankrupt with a seven year gap between new products. Also Apple certainly had opposition amongst it's user base when it switched to PPC and to Intel, it was just so long ago now and they've been so successful that people have moved on. Which makes the two situations quite different.
« Last Edit: September 07, 2014, 07:58:04 AM by psxphill »
 

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Re: New improved intuition.library version from the Kickstart 3.1
« Reply #319 on: September 07, 2014, 12:56:40 PM »
Quote from: cgutjahr;772477
The BlizzardPPC had a feature that would constantly copy the current screen from chip ram to BVision ram. It would be enabled if something was displayed during the boot process and disabled as soon as the first non PAL:Hires screen was opened. Display wasn't all that fast, but fast enough for BVision setup, ESM, or booting without startup-sequence.


Oh, indeed... you are correct.

Unfortunate how much Amiga knowledge one can forget.
My Amigas: A500, Mac Mini and PowerBook