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Offline vox

Re: New A-EON Sound Card for Classic Amigas
« Reply #15 on: October 20, 2013, 06:16:28 PM »
Quote from: nicholas;750593
"Bigger" is subjective, I'd wager that more Prisma soundcards get sold than all OS4 motherboards combined.

Its good AEON have a product for Classic lovers, maybe it will bring more love back to the fact Trevor is doing serious things and AmigaOS software and hardware development has been quite advanced since he appeared.

On the side note, I doubt there will be so many Zorro sound cards produced as there were few hundred OS4 mobos so far. You are way more optimistic how many people have big old Classics like 2000/3000/4000 up and working and want to invest in hardware for it.

But may it sell every one made,as for any AEON product :hammer:
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Offline spirantho

Re: New A-EON Sound Card for Classic Amigas
« Reply #16 on: October 20, 2013, 06:23:42 PM »
Quote from: ral-clan;750604
From the press release it sounds like it will only do 8-bit when connected via the clock port.


The data bus on the clock port is 8-bit, but the card does the dirty work decoding the data - and however you're sending your OGG Vorbis file or MP3 of whatever (or even WAV) it makes no difference to the result as the supplied data is the same - it just takes twice as many writes across the bus (as it's 8 bits at a time instead of 16).

@nicholas

Access is done via a library but I'm not sure of how open it's going to be (though I'm making it as easy to use as possible). That's an AmigaKit decision....

@Matt_H

Thanks, I'll take a look!
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Offline mboehmer_e3b

Re: New A-EON Sound Card for Classic Amigas
« Reply #17 on: October 20, 2013, 08:35:50 PM »
Quote from: ral-clan;750604
From the press release it sounds like it will only do 8-bit when connected via the clock port.


8bit data transfers between CPU and sound processor, due to nature of clockport.
The sound processor works at same bit rates as in Zorro operation.

Michael
 

Offline kickstart

Re: New A-EON Sound Card for Classic Amigas
« Reply #18 on: October 20, 2013, 11:50:54 PM »
New hardware for real amigas are always welcome, but i dont see the point of a soundcard at this times... and will see the prices.
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Offline AmigaClassicRule

Re: New A-EON Sound Card for Classic Amigas
« Reply #19 on: October 21, 2013, 12:25:56 AM »
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New hardware for real amigas are always welcome, but i dont see the point of a soundcard at this times... and will see the prices.


Actually what I really wanted to see is a brand new 68k CPU upgrade. If physically possible and could be done to upgrade the CPU speed from 50 Mhz and even the avoided overclocked 100 Mhz to something like real 100 Mhz to 200 Mhz. If 68k can go as fast as 500 Mhz...it would be an awesome welcome....this way with such speed it will give a decent freedom to implement more complex and CPU consuming software and/or applications.
 

Offline wawrzon

Re: New A-EON Sound Card for Classic Amigas
« Reply #20 on: October 21, 2013, 02:18:42 AM »
aeon funding it sounds like an attempt to win the fans of genuine Amigas over, however depending on pricing it may be an interesting item at least for some. and as its pretty obvious there are still quantities more operational Amigas out there than all the os4 Hardware, it might sell well.



edit: i see it a little half hearted though. if they are about to drawn million dollars in hardware architecture for an os that is not actively developed, they did better to sponsor amiga fpga development instead of such high specialized gadgets.
« Last Edit: October 21, 2013, 02:28:03 AM by wawrzon »
 

Offline SamuraiCrow

Re: New A-EON Sound Card for Classic Amigas
« Reply #21 on: October 21, 2013, 03:19:41 AM »
If we give them some Classic Amiga peripheral sales that they can wrap their head around, they may consider doing more for us.
 

Offline NovaCoder

Re: New A-EON Sound Card for Classic Amigas
« Reply #22 on: October 21, 2013, 03:32:40 AM »
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If we give them some Classic Amiga peripheral sales that they can wrap their head around, they may consider doing more for us.


Yes that's correct, at least they are doing something for us Classic users and should be thanked for the effort.

I assume AmigaKit had rather a strong influence on this project ;)

Hopefully it will be a successful project and they'll produce some new bits in the future.

Not sure exactly how this would fit inside an A1200 desktop, I guess big box Amiga's are the target audience.
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Offline AmigaClassicRule

Re: New A-EON Sound Card for Classic Amigas
« Reply #23 on: October 21, 2013, 05:12:07 AM »
Quote from: NovaCoder;750642
Yes that's correct, at least they are doing something for us Classic users and should be thanked for the effort.

I assume AmigaKit had rather a strong influence on this project ;)

Hopefully it will be a successful project and they'll produce some new bits in the future.

Not sure exactly how this would fit inside an A1200 desktop, I guess big box Amiga's are the target audience.


Good because I am ordering an A4000D and will find an accelerator to turn it into a 68060 running at 100 Mhz speed. This card will be nice to have inside the machine.
 

Offline Hattig

Re: New A-EON Sound Card for Classic Amigas
« Reply #24 on: October 21, 2013, 09:02:36 AM »
Here's the details of the audio processor used: http://www.vlsi.fi/en/products/vs1063.html

I wonder if it will be possible to use this to encode to MP3 the audio coming from Paula, as encoding is one of its major features.

The data transfer width (16 for Zorro, 8 for clockport) will merely affect the max bitrate that can be fed into the device.  I have no idea what the A1200 clockport can achieve, bandwidth-wise (1.75MB/s is suggested at http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=24079 - that's enough for several MP3 streams).
 

Offline Hattig

Re: New A-EON Sound Card for Classic Amigas
« Reply #25 on: October 21, 2013, 09:10:05 AM »
Quote from: AmigaClassicRule;750629
Actually what I really wanted to see is a brand new 68k CPU upgrade. If physically possible and could be done to upgrade the CPU speed from 50 Mhz and even the avoided overclocked 100 Mhz to something like real 100 Mhz to 200 Mhz. If 68k can go as fast as 500 Mhz...it would be an awesome welcome....this way with such speed it will give a decent freedom to implement more complex and CPU consuming software and/or applications.


It's not going to happen - getting ASICs fabbed these days isn't cheap if you want 500MHz CPUs. There are ASIC sharing companies, where multiple designs are taped out at the same time onto the same masks, maybe that would be an option.

But before all that, you need a compatible CPU core. TG68 is fine for a low-end core, but would it clock up to 500MHz? There is the Apollo core, but that's very new. Maybe in a couple of years there will be FPGAs with it in that aren't horribly expensive, with ~100MHz cores.

And I guess you could then have a very fast clockport to go with it!
 

Offline magnetic

Re: New A-EON Sound Card for Classic Amigas
« Reply #26 on: October 21, 2013, 09:19:30 AM »
Michael

We are so happy to have you designing new classic hardware for us THANK YOU AMIGA HERO.

And thanks AEON classic projects are an exciting addition to the NG hardware and can only help both markets.
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Offline wawrzon

Re: New A-EON Sound Card for Classic Amigas
« Reply #27 on: October 21, 2013, 11:09:38 AM »
Quote from: SamuraiCrow;750641
If we give them some Classic Amiga peripheral sales that they can wrap their head around, they may consider doing more for us.

dont fall for it. its them they want to wrapo our head around not the opposite;) said that buy the card if it suits you, its a welcome development, but dont expect any political consequences.
 

Offline wawrzon

Re: New A-EON Sound Card for Classic Amigas
« Reply #28 on: October 21, 2013, 11:15:31 AM »
Quote from: Hattig;750650
It's not going to happen - getting ASICs fabbed these days isn't cheap if you want 500MHz CPUs.


when you are starting to shelve out millions to make ppc a valid desktop architecture again you might as well build 68k asic ;P..

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But before all that, you need a compatible CPU core. TG68 is fine for a low-end core, but would it clock up to 500MHz? There is the Apollo core, but that's very new. Maybe in a couple of years there will be FPGAs with it in that aren't horribly expensive, with ~100MHz cores.

And I guess you could then have a very fast clockport to go with it!


lets see what that apollo actually is when majsta releases his new firmwaare.
 

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Re: New A-EON Sound Card for Classic Amigas
« Reply #29 on: October 21, 2013, 01:24:05 PM »
OMG. The suspicion and sarcasm is really quite surprising.  Classic hardware for Zorro or clockport is really most welcome. The reason they are making the product is because they have determined there is a market (DEMAND) and a profit (RETURN).  This is how the world works.
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