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Offline dammy

Re: Will OS4 have SMP after all
« Reply #15 on: July 23, 2013, 10:07:31 PM »
Quote from: ssolie;741831
Yes.

Whether it is a textbook implementation of SMP or not is still not clear to me yet.


That sounds rather odd since you are the Team Leader for AOS4.

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But that's just my opinion. I know Hyperion still calls it SMP and that's also fine.


Sort like being some-what pregnant. Since Hyperion is a professional OS company that's been around for what, nearly two decades, I would expect to hear exact terminology that is used by industrial professionals around the world.  It's only what, two people in that company, it's not like some marketing weasels were running their mouth before asking software engineering department if that is indeed possible and within the product's roadmap.

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So why all the fuss suddenly?


The A1X1K has been out for a significant period of time now.  IIRC, the explicit reason for picking that CPU was to create a platform for SMP development of OS4 nearly 4 years ago (late 2009 for prototypes).  That's a long time IMO, so I don't see the "suddenly" apply to a question about the current status of SMP in OS4, more like just remembering something said long ago.

BTW Steve, will you be at AmiWest this year?
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Offline nicholas

Re: Will OS4 have SMP after all
« Reply #16 on: July 23, 2013, 10:13:39 PM »
Quote from: dammy;741846
That sounds rather odd since you are the Team Leader for AOS4.



Sort like being some-what pregnant. Since Hyperion is a professional OS company that's been around for what, nearly two decades, I would expect to hear exact terminology that is used by industrial professionals around the world.  It's only what, two people in that company, it's not like some marketing weasels were running their mouth before asking software engineering department if that is indeed possible and within the product's roadmap.



The A1X1K has been out for a significant period of time now.  IIRC, the explicit reason for picking that CPU was to create a platform for SMP development of OS4 nearly 4 years ago (late 2009 for prototypes).  That's a long time IMO, so I don't see the "suddenly" apply to a question about the current status of SMP in OS4, more like just remembering something said long ago.

BTW Steve, will you be at AmiWest this year?


I heard he will be demoing SMP on OS4 at AmiWest.
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Re: Will OS4 have SMP after all
« Reply #17 on: July 23, 2013, 11:49:07 PM »
Quote from: Blizz1220;741822
It was multi-processor ready and it used 060 and PPC at the same time ...

It's just that all the educated people claimed that there is no way to do true
SMP support without basically writing new Os  (like TMHG said once) ...

But I guess there is nothing a man can't achieve so I'm open minded and
would like to hear how they plan to do it ...
I don't think AOS4 ever used both the 68k and the PPC at the same time. PowerUP and WarpOS used both at the same time, but that's not SMP, that's AMP (Asymmetric Multiprocessing)...

Offline ssolie

Re: Will OS4 have SMP after all
« Reply #18 on: July 24, 2013, 01:31:01 AM »
Quote from: dammy;741846
That sounds rather odd since you are the Team Leader for AOS4.
I call myself the AmigaOS Development Team Lead for AmigaOS.

I'm not going to play these games. When it's done I'll tell you more.
« Last Edit: July 24, 2013, 01:33:52 AM by ssolie »
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Offline ssolie

Re: Will OS4 have SMP after all
« Reply #19 on: July 24, 2013, 01:32:33 AM »
Quote from: nicholas;741849
I heard he will be demoing SMP on OS4 at AmiWest.

I never promised any such demo.
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Offline nicholas

Re: Will OS4 have SMP after all
« Reply #20 on: July 24, 2013, 01:47:35 AM »
Quote from: ssolie;741885
I never promised any such demo.


Well i heard that someone is demoing an SMP Amiga OS. My source is never wrong.

Will you be there?
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Offline nicholas

Re: Will OS4 have SMP after all
« Reply #21 on: July 24, 2013, 01:50:31 AM »
Quote from: ssolie;741884
I call myself the AmigaOS Development Team Lead for AmigaOS.


That wording implies you gave yourself that title.

Surely the Frieden brothers are the actual development leads based on amount of code committed and actual design and analysis drawn up prior to development?
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Offline eliyahu

Re: Will OS4 have SMP after all
« Reply #22 on: July 24, 2013, 02:01:20 AM »
Quote from: nicholas;741888
Well i heard that someone is demoing an SMP Amiga OS. My source is never wrong.

Will you be there?

heh. someone know something someone's not telling? like something AROS-related, perhaps? ;)

anyway -- didn't we talk about SMP demos at amiwest in this thread already? i think ssolie has clarified his earlier AWN post sufficiently at this point. my thanks to ssolie for coming by to answer folks' questions. :)

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Offline Terminills

Re: Will OS4 have SMP after all
« Reply #23 on: July 24, 2013, 02:15:45 AM »
Quote from: eliyahu;741891
heh. someone know something someone's not telling? like something AROS-related, perhaps? ;)

-- eliyahu


Why does it have to be AROS related?  Maybe is Morphos related? ;)
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Offline eliyahu

Re: Will OS4 have SMP after all
« Reply #24 on: July 24, 2013, 02:17:35 AM »
tim,

to go off-topic a bit, you planning on making it to amiwest this year along with dammy? at somepoint next month i should start a thread on here so folks interested in coming can talk about it.

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Offline nicholas

Re: Will OS4 have SMP after all
« Reply #25 on: July 24, 2013, 02:20:20 AM »
Quote from: Terminills;741893
Why does it have to be AROS related?  Maybe is Morphos related? ;)

Maybe it's Umilator v2 related? ;)

I heard Bernd will be there this year.
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Offline nicholas

Re: Will OS4 have SMP after all
« Reply #26 on: July 24, 2013, 02:24:02 AM »
Quote from: eliyahu;741894
tim,

to go off-topic a bit, you planning on making it to amiwest this year along with dammy? at somepoint next month i should start a thread on here so folks interested in coming can talk about it.

-- eliyahu


Do you know if there will be a web stream this year for us that can't (or aren't allowed!) to make it?
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Offline eliyahu

Re: Will OS4 have SMP after all
« Reply #27 on: July 24, 2013, 02:27:10 AM »
Quote from: nicholas;741898
Do you know if there will be a web stream this year for us that can't (or aren't allowed!) to make it?

there usually is, at least for the presentations. last year was really tough because the internet access at the location was glacially slow. in previous years i've given a play-by-play of the keynotes on IRC if the video stream was down. a few days before the show, someone will post info on the video/audio streams.

oh, and everyone is allowed at amiwest. it's a lot of fun. even bill mcewen is welcome. :lol:

-- eliyahu
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Offline nicholas

Re: Will OS4 have SMP after all
« Reply #28 on: July 24, 2013, 02:34:05 AM »
Quote from: eliyahu;741900
there usually is, at least for the presentations. last year was really tough because the internet access at the location was glacially slow. in previous years i've given a play-by-play of the keynotes on IRC if the video stream was down. a few days before the show, someone will post info on the video/audio streams.

oh, and everyone is allowed at amiwest. it's a lot of fun. even bill mcewen is welcome. :lol:

-- eliyahu


Oh I'm sure I'm welcome but my missus says I'm not allowed! ;)
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Offline Terminills

Re: Will OS4 have SMP after all
« Reply #29 on: July 24, 2013, 02:52:39 AM »
Quote from: eliyahu;741894
tim,

to go off-topic a bit, you planning on making it to amiwest this year along with dammy? at somepoint next month i should start a thread on here so folks interested in coming can talk about it.

-- eliyahu

Depends on my schedule.  I'm hoping everything that needs to be finished before amiwest is done.   If it is I will be there.
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