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Offline TheBilgeRat

Which AROS?
« on: May 08, 2013, 11:19:19 PM »
I have an old P4 that I would like to turn into a dedicated AROS machine.  I noticed that there are several flavors to choose from.  Should I go with AROS proper, or Icaros, or some other version for a dedicated hard drive install?
 

Offline nicholas

Re: Which AROS?
« Reply #1 on: May 08, 2013, 11:24:25 PM »
Well you can do it the "Amiga way" and install the base OS and then spend days on end dicking about installing all the software you need and twiddling with the settings.

Or install Icaros/Broadway and have the full works already installed so you don't have to do anything.

I know which is most fun for me. :)
“Een rezhim-i eshghalgar-i Quds bayad az sahneh-i ruzgar mahv shaved.” - Imam Ayatollah Sayyed  Ruhollah Khomeini
 

Offline TheBilgeRat

Re: Which AROS?
« Reply #2 on: May 08, 2013, 11:27:28 PM »
I take it that would be Icaros then ;)

I am having plenty of fun mucking about with the A4000, no need to double it up
 

Offline nicholas

Re: Which AROS?
« Reply #3 on: May 08, 2013, 11:53:43 PM »
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I take it that would be Icaros then ;)


How dare you insult my good name with such scurrilous allegations against my masochistic Amiga fiddling credentials? ;)

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I am having plenty of fun mucking about with the A4000, no need to double it up


I know of no other hobby as great as ours.

I'm having much fun getting my 3.9 install just how I want it under UAE before taking over our spare bedroom with my A3000 and a bajillion spare parts and running it on the bare metal.
“Een rezhim-i eshghalgar-i Quds bayad az sahneh-i ruzgar mahv shaved.” - Imam Ayatollah Sayyed  Ruhollah Khomeini
 

Offline TheBilgeRat

Re: Which AROS?
« Reply #4 on: May 09, 2013, 02:20:34 AM »
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How dare you insult my good name with such scurrilous allegations against my masochistic Amiga fiddling credentials? ;)


I say!  Then I shall do no such thing in the future.  Mea Culpa!

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I know of no other hobby as great as ours.

I'm having much fun getting my 3.9 install just how I want it under UAE before taking over our spare bedroom with my A3000 and a bajillion spare parts and running it on the bare metal.


I was running classicWB ADV SP BYOB 123 or some such and it was driving me nuts as I would put something in user-startup and next thing I know it wasn't doing what I wanted it to do so I stripped it off and was going to do 3.9 but then it took me forever to figure out how to get the emergency disk straight so by the time Thomas straightened me out I had put 3.1 back on and BetterWB and now I am just ducky! :)

I am debating whether or not to do newIcons or not.  We'll see :D
 

Offline TheBilgeRat

Re: Which AROS?
« Reply #5 on: May 09, 2013, 02:21:56 AM »
But, as an aside, I have a great CED/vbcc build environment so I might start playing with novacoder's API here soon.
 

Offline fishy_fiz

Re: Which AROS?
« Reply #6 on: May 09, 2013, 07:15:58 AM »
There's also AspireOS, which is more minimal, but contains the essentials that the nighly builds dont contain (browser, movie player, graphics/sound software, etc.).

For me its a better starting point as I like to do my OS customising myself, and AspireOS is better suited there (no need to strip back a bigger distro, but also dont need to start from "scratch" as a person would need to with a nightly build).

Now having said that if a person is new to AROS I might be a little more inclined to suggest Icaros for no reason than it being more respresentative of a fully customised/setup AROS system.
Near as I can tell this is where I write something under the guise of being innocuous, but really its a pot shot at another persons/peoples choice of Amiga based systems. Unfortunately only I cant see how transparent and petty it makes me look.
 

Offline nicholas

Re: Which AROS?
« Reply #7 on: May 09, 2013, 08:37:34 AM »
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I say!  Then I shall do no such thing in the future.  Mea Culpa!



I was running classicWB ADV SP BYOB 123 or some such and it was driving me nuts as I would put something in user-startup and next thing I know it wasn't doing what I wanted it to do so I stripped it off and was going to do 3.9 but then it took me forever to figure out how to get the emergency disk straight so by the time Thomas straightened me out I had put 3.1 back on and BetterWB and now I am just ducky! :)

I am debating whether or not to do newIcons or not.  We'll see :D


I've made a 3.1+ Better WB and a few other bits as the first partition. Nice and simple and works great as a rescue boot disk when I install something in my 3.9 startup that borks it up.

I recommend Kens Icons plus Peter K's new icon library if you've got plenty of RAM.
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Offline nicholas

Re: Which AROS?
« Reply #8 on: May 09, 2013, 08:42:37 AM »
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But, as an aside, I have a great CED/vbcc build environment so I might start playing with novacoder's API here soon.


Cool!  I've got some nice tools and docs I can email you if you want?
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Re: Which AROS?
« Reply #9 on: May 09, 2013, 11:59:06 AM »
On an x86 machine, I'll use Icaros and then strip it back to something close to AmigaOS 3.1... As that's the experience I want :)

Offline mykrowyre

Re: Which AROS?
« Reply #10 on: May 09, 2013, 02:21:56 PM »
Regarding AROS, it's been awhile since I've played with it.  I did try MorphOs, and it's very nice, and running classic software was very seamless and fantastic...BUT running on old hardware doesn't really appeal to me because it seems like a dead end, much like the Amiga was hardware wise (towards the end of days).

I've always like where AROS was going, but it was just not "there" yet.

Is it stable enough these days to be fully installed on the HD and run as a daily use desktop machine?  I would like to write some code again for the Amiga... just as a hobby, but I am hesitant to dual boot it if there is a chance it's going to destroy my partition table and wipe out osx, windows, etc.

I realize it's not as finished as MorphOs, but it is open source and it runs on modern hardware so I think it has a better longterm outlook.
 

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Re: Which AROS?
« Reply #11 on: May 09, 2013, 02:27:23 PM »
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Regarding AROS, it's been awhile since I've played with it.  I did try MorphOs, and it's very nice, and running classic software was very seamless and fantastic...BUT running on old hardware doesn't really appeal to me because it seems like a dead end, much like the Amiga was hardware wise (towards the end of days).

I've always like where AROS was going, but it was just not "there" yet.

Is it stable enough these days to be fully installed on the HD and run as a daily use desktop machine?  I would like to write some code again for the Amiga... just as a hobby, but I am hesitant to dual boot it if there is a chance it's going to destroy my partition table and wipe out osx, windows, etc.

I realize it's not as finished as MorphOs, but it is open source and it runs on modern hardware so I think it has a better longterm outlook.
If you don't want to dual boot (it uses grub so it's unlikely to nuke your drive), then use the live cd or USB stick option.

You could use it as a daily machine now if you wanted to (all one really needs is a web browser), but I would hold off until the ABI V1 transition is complete (very soon). Nothing stopping you having a play now though :)

Offline Iggy

Re: Which AROS?
« Reply #12 on: May 09, 2013, 04:50:33 PM »
Quote from: mykrowyre;734252
Regarding AROS, it's been awhile since I've played with it.  I did try MorphOs, and it's very nice, and running classic software was very seamless and fantastic...BUT running on old hardware doesn't really appeal to me because it seems like a dead end, much like the Amiga was hardware wise (towards the end of days).

I've always like where AROS was going, but it was just not "there" yet.

Is it stable enough these days to be fully installed on the HD and run as a daily use desktop machine?  I would like to write some code again for the Amiga... just as a hobby, but I am hesitant to dual boot it if there is a chance it's going to destroy my partition table and wipe out osx, windows, etc.

I realize it's not as finished as MorphOs, but it is open source and it runs on modern hardware so I think it has a better longterm outlook.


I periodically set up an AROS system.
For awhile I even kept a system dedicated to it (but have recently sold the 7600GT video card I kept for that  purpose).
I am convinced that AROS will indeed "get there" on day.

MorphOS is already there, in fact its the most "there" of any of the NG OS'.
And yes, the hardware is not new.
Frank Mariak (Pega-1) has explored a port for the SAM460, but even though new, this PPC system would be slower than our current systems.

So I'll keep my G4 Macs, wait for G5 MorphOS support, and periodically check out AROS.
AROS has some serious potential (especially with ported OpenGL based programs).
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Offline TheBilgeRat

Re: Which AROS?
« Reply #13 on: May 09, 2013, 04:58:31 PM »
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I periodically set up an AROS system.
For awhile I even kept a system dedicated to it (but have recently sold the 7600GT video card I kept for that  purpose).
I am convinced that AROS will indeed "get there" on day.

MorphOS is already there, in fact its the most "there" of any of the NG OS'.
And yes, the hardware is not new.
Frank Mariak (Pega-1) has explored a port for the SAM460, but even though new, this PPC system would be slower than our current systems.

So I'll keep my G4 Macs, wait for G5 MorphOS support, and periodically check out AROS.
AROS has some serious potential (especially with ported OpenGL based programs).


If I had a powerPC kit laying around I'd definitely give MorphOS a go.  Its a lot easier to explore AROS when finding an old PC for free is as simple as hopping on craigslist :D  Or you happen to have one left over lying around.

I bet eventually MorphOS will end up on ARM or Intel and then I'm sure I'll find the money to pony up.

Oh, and Nicholas, I'd love any documentation you could kick my way!
 

Offline Iggy

Re: Which AROS?
« Reply #14 on: May 09, 2013, 06:16:41 PM »
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If I had a powerPC kit laying around I'd definitely give MorphOS a go.  Its a lot easier to explore AROS when finding an old PC for free is as simple as hopping on craigslist :D  Or you happen to have one left over lying around.

I bet eventually MorphOS will end up on ARM or Intel and then I'm sure I'll find the money to pony up.

Oh, and Nicholas, I'd love any documentation you could kick my way!

Do you think you could find something cheaper then this?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Apple-Power-Mac-G4-Desktop-AS-IS-Z-1-POWERS-ON-STICKS-AT-STARTUP-/400465563636?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEWNX%3AIT&nma=true&si=1hdIrfxrzguDhm98wUJLby7%252FNck%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc

I took a chance on it, and as it turned out it only needed an OS install.

I had to add a Radeon 9000 (an extra $11.50).

$51.49 total or an MDD. And it contained three hard drives.
I left the 250 GB installed and partitioned it for OSX and MorphOS use.
The other two, a 120GB and a 40GB, I took out to install in a Quicksilver.

;) Every AROS system I have set up cost me more.

Of course there is that $111 charge for a MorphOS key.

But if we are talking about just experimenting, the 30 minute limit should be adequate.

MorphOS may eventually move to another ISA (where it will continue to kick ass), but I like the hardware we are using now. It is the cheapest way to get a fast, well designed, PPC system.

BTW - If anyone wants to put together a cheap MorphOS system, PM me.
« Last Edit: May 09, 2013, 06:35:35 PM by Iggy »
"Not making any hard and fast rules means that the moderators can use their good judgment in moderation, and we think the results speak for themselves." - Amiga.org, terms of service

"You, got to stem the evil tide, and keep it on the the inside" - Rogers Waters

"God was never on your side" - Lemmy

Amiga! "Our appeal has become more selective"