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Offline Trev

Re: It's 20 years on, and Windows still doesn't have...
« Reply #15 on: July 23, 2012, 03:27:15 PM »
@danwood

Drag and drop into the application itself?

The only Amiga-like thing I find myself doing inadvertently in Windows (and UNIX variants) is typing "list" in a console.

Screen drag is a feature I miss, but it's more akin to the Amiga/Mac view of the computer-as-an-appliance than the Windows view of the computer-as-a-computer.
 

Offline desiv

Re: It's 20 years on, and Windows still doesn't have...
« Reply #16 on: July 23, 2012, 04:51:39 PM »
I always felt that Microsoft's main problem with their OS is that they keep feeling that they have to change the whole way it works every other major release...

If the way it's working is working for people, you don't HAVE to change it...

But I think they feel people won't buy it unless it's significantly different.

I mean, be honest, how many people think the "Ribbon" is better???  ;-)

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Re: It's 20 years on, and Windows still doesn't have...
« Reply #17 on: July 23, 2012, 05:42:18 PM »
Quote from: danwood;701034
Two things I miss when on Windows:
 
1) Shift + Backspace to delete a string of text behind me
 

tried shift + home?
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Offline Thorham

Re: It's 20 years on, and Windows still doesn't have...
« Reply #18 on: July 23, 2012, 06:23:35 PM »
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Intuition was superior!


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 Microsoft's improvements to their GUI over the last fifteen years are... changing the taskbar so there is no text by default, and making everything look a bit different (in such a way that I've had three different window designs on screen at the same time under Windows, and it wasn't obvious which one was active). There have been no functional changes at all (I don't include "mouse gestures" as they are a different way of getting to the same functionality)

 The annoying thing is that Linux doesn't have any of this stuff either, although the GUI is amazingly more consistent.
Intuition is not at all superior. It's lagging behind the times badly, and I find Windows way easier to use. Sad, but true :(
 

Offline Roj

Re: It's 20 years on, and Windows still doesn't have...
« Reply #19 on: July 23, 2012, 07:10:02 PM »
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Intuition is not at all superior. It's lagging behind the times badly, and I find Windows way easier to use. Sad, but true :(


I'll never agree with that as long as the OS dictates that the active window be the frontmost window. ;)
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Offline paul1981

Re: It's 20 years on, and Windows still doesn't have...
« Reply #20 on: July 23, 2012, 07:56:35 PM »
Not sure about other OS's, but why the hell in Windows can I not save preference "Presets" like in Workbench? These come in handy no end if changing your display or display resolution/overscan, or printer even, or a larger font as in what 1st poster was talking about.
Also, a preset saving facility would be fantastic for network settings (thinking of laptops here). But no, have to repeatedly change IP settings to and from where every I may be using my laptop.
 

Offline Digiman

Re: It's 20 years on, and Windows still doesn't have...
« Reply #21 on: July 24, 2012, 01:05:03 AM »
Quote from: danwood;701034
Two things I miss when on Windows:

1) Shift + Backspace to delete a string of text behind me

2) Drag and drop into file requesters!  This is a big one, if I find a file using Workbench/Ambient I can then open a file requester in an app and just drag it onto it and it will load it.  In Windows I have to navigate to that file a second time, even though I may have the folder already open on my screen, very annoying.


As for no. 2 Albert of Atariage website fame once told me that OSX does this too. As Microcock spend more time copying Apple than fixing their pathetic OS if it isn't in Win7 it will be in Win8 for sure.

I'd check but I am not stupid enough to downgrade from XP Pro SP2 to some god awful mess of a kernal like Win7/Vista/Server2008 etc. DIRT!!!!
 

Offline commodorejohn

Re: It's 20 years on, and Windows still doesn't have...
« Reply #22 on: July 24, 2012, 01:20:40 AM »
Quote from: desiv;701048
I always felt that Microsoft's main problem with their OS is that they keep feeling that they have to change the whole way it works every other major release...

If the way it's working is working for people, you don't HAVE to change it...

But I think they feel people won't buy it unless it's significantly different.

I mean, be honest, how many people think the "Ribbon" is better???  ;-)
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Offline asymetrix

Re: It's 20 years on, and Windows still doesn't have...
« Reply #23 on: July 24, 2012, 02:29:05 AM »
its been years and Amiga does not have Visual Studio equivelent.

i love to drag and drop and have webbrowser facilities or calander controls.
Windows GUI is great it even has accessability options and voice/speak all apps, even automate every app via script as default. not every Amiga app can be controlled via script.
i can set internet connections in commandline !
even set/unset partitions, hidden or not via commandline.
i can even slipstream all windows patches into one Install CD/DVD, with my own apps !

There are alot of hidden capability under the hood believe me.
Amiga does not even have equivelent of windows gadgets or WB as html browser.
windows has capability running more than one desktop at same time !
Virtual desktops, the install image format is even VM ready.
every setup.exe has full script and automated control/unzip/install/creation capability.
« Last Edit: July 24, 2012, 02:39:20 AM by asymetrix »
 

Offline Trev

Re: It's 20 years on, and Windows still doesn't have...
« Reply #24 on: July 24, 2012, 03:33:27 AM »
@roj

Nothing in Windows prevents it. Window z-order is independent of window input focus.

@paul1981

For better or worse (better IMHO), Microsoft went the way of the registry with the introduction of OLE. Many .NET application use XML-based configuration files, though.
 

Offline Matt_H

Re: It's 20 years on, and Windows still doesn't have...
« Reply #25 on: July 24, 2012, 04:30:39 AM »
Quote from: asymetrix;701073
its been years and Amiga does not have Visual Studio equivelent.

i love to drag and drop and have webbrowser facilities or calander controls.
Windows GUI is great it even has accessability options and voice/speak all apps, even automate every app via script as default. not every Amiga app can be controlled via script.
i can set internet connections in commandline !
even set/unset partitions, hidden or not via commandline.
i can even slipstream all windows patches into one Install CD/DVD, with my own apps !

There are alot of hidden capability under the hood believe me.
Amiga does not even have equivelent of windows gadgets or WB as html browser.
windows has capability running more than one desktop at same time !
Virtual desktops, the install image format is even VM ready.
every setup.exe has full script and automated control/unzip/install/creation capability.


Well, yes, those are features you get when you have thousands of paid developers working on a system. And the Amiga has a good many of them, similar workarounds, or could have a good many of them without modifying the core OS - just adding programs. Not bad for a platform with negligible investment in the last 15 years! And the other features we're discussing in this thread are areas where we're still ahead. Madness! :)
 

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Re: It's 20 years on, and Windows still doesn't have...
« Reply #26 on: July 24, 2012, 05:30:49 AM »
Amiga OS also lacks the ability to phone home to a corporate headquarters.
 

Offline Roj

Re: It's 20 years on, and Windows still doesn't have...
« Reply #27 on: July 24, 2012, 06:41:27 AM »
Quote from: Trev;701077
@roj

Nothing in Windows prevents it. Window z-order is independent of window input focus.



I've got a freeware tool that can lock any window to front, but it's awkward to use. It's the only way I've found so far to keep inactive windows on top of the window I'm working in.

Is there an easier way that you know of?
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Offline persia

Re: It's 20 years on, and Windows still doesn't have...
« Reply #28 on: July 24, 2012, 01:38:58 PM »
Largely because Amiga lacks a corporate headquarters.  AI even had trouble paying it's $25/month hosting fees...

Quote from: runequester;701079
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Offline dreamcast270mhz

Re: It's 20 years on, and Windows still doesn't have...
« Reply #29 on: July 24, 2012, 05:22:50 PM »
And windows still lacks: A good web browser built in (IE is always years behind the times), easily used multi workspaces (like Ubuntu classic), a good built in media player, well designed interface as aqua kicks it in the balls everytime. Sometimes I wonder how they make money.
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