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Offline takemehomegrandma

Re: MorphOS 3.0 released - PowerBook G4 support and new pricing
« Reply #30 on: June 09, 2012, 07:01:43 PM »
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Do tell? What connection do the aluminum Powerbooks use for those, then?


Older models were using ADB, only the latest models had USB keyboards/pads AFAIK.

Edit:

"No machines being built today use ADB for device interconnection, but up to February 2005, PowerBooks and iBooks still used the ADB protocol in the internal interface with the built-in keyboard and touchpad. Subsequent models used a USB-based trackpad."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Desktop_Bus#History

List of all PowerBook G4 models (you'll notice that the Ti is *very* old):
http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powerbook_g4/index-powerbook-g4.html

Only these are the ones living up to the requirements of MorphOS, according to the MorphOS Team:

http://www.everymac.com/ultimate-mac-lookup/?search_keywords=PowerBook5,6 (model A1106)
http://www.everymac.com/ultimate-mac-lookup/?search_keywords=PowerBook5,7 (model A1107)
http://www.everymac.com/ultimate-mac-lookup/?search_keywords=PowerBook5,8 (model A1138)
http://www.everymac.com/ultimate-mac-lookup/?search_keywords=PowerBook5,9 (model A1139)

There are literary *hordes* of them at e-bay, with very attractive price tags...

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« Last Edit: June 09, 2012, 07:33:52 PM by takemehomegrandma »
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Re: MorphOS 3.0 released - PowerBook G4 support and new pricing
« Reply #31 on: June 09, 2012, 07:11:32 PM »
Oh, gotcha.
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Re: MorphOS 3.0 released - PowerBook G4 support and new pricing
« Reply #32 on: June 09, 2012, 07:41:57 PM »
The old powerbook I have lying around was one of the last powerPC ones sold. Is there any easy way to tell what model it is?
 

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« Reply #33 on: June 09, 2012, 07:58:39 PM »
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The old powerbook I have lying around was one of the last powerPC ones sold. Is there any easy way to tell what model it is?


go into "about this computer" in the osx menu. you may need to go to "more info".
 

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Re: MorphOS 3.0 released - PowerBook G4 support and new pricing
« Reply #34 on: June 09, 2012, 08:23:40 PM »
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The old powerbook I have lying around was one of the last powerPC ones sold. Is there any easy way to tell what model it is?


In addition to bbond007 above -

http://www.everymac.com/mac-identification/index-how-to-identify-my-mac.html

Also: Screen resolutions/sizes are unique identifiers for all of these four models, see this short post about what differs between the MorphOS supported PowerBook models (maybe can be interesting for potential buyers of PowerBooks as well?)

A CPU running at 1.67GHz should also mean it's one of the supported kinds (unless OC'd, but I don't know how common that is in PowerBooks, if at all)

The funniest way of course, is definitely to download MorphOS 3.0 and simply try it out yourself! :) Boot from the CD (hold down the c key when starting the computer until it's booting), it doesn't touch your HDD if you don't choose to install it, and it's completely free of charge! :D

==> http://morphos-team.net/downloads

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Re: MorphOS 3.0 released - PowerBook G4 support and new pricing
« Reply #35 on: June 09, 2012, 09:51:10 PM »
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Also: Screen resolutions/sizes are unique identifiers for all of these four models,


Nope, only the very last revisions (5.8/5.9( had highres screen, the screens used in the older supported models (5.6/5.7) are identical to screen use in even much older revision (maybe even back to the orginal 400MHz Ti). One of the PBs I sold last year actually is an 5.7 in the case and with the display of an 5.5 and I have confirmation thats it's running just fine.
1. Make an announcment.
2. Wait a while.
3. Check if it can actually be done.
4. Wait for someone else to do it.
5. Start working on it while giving out hillarious progress-reports.
6. Deny that you have ever announced it
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Re: MorphOS 3.0 released - PowerBook G4 support and new pricing
« Reply #36 on: June 09, 2012, 10:07:26 PM »
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Nope, only the very last revisions (5.8/5.9( had highres screen, the screens used in the older supported models (5.6/5.7) are identical to screen use in even much older revision (maybe even back to the orginal 400MHz Ti). One of the PBs I sold last year actually is an 5.7 in the case and with the display of an 5.5 and I have confirmation thats it's running just fine.


Ah, of course, OK thanks for the clarification! :) To be honest I had only looked at the four latest models myself (since the others aren't relevant), and at least in my head I kind of said "screen resolution + 1.67GHz" (which would "triangulate" which of "one of the very latest models ever sold" he has), but I realize it didn't come out that way, hehe. ;)

Anyway, plenty of ideas given to get him going in his detective work. I hope he follow the last advice, by simply trying to boot MorphOS! Nice surprise if it does! :)
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Re: MorphOS 3.0 released - PowerBook G4 support and new pricing
« Reply #37 on: June 10, 2012, 08:11:03 AM »
@commodorejohn

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Older models were using ADB, only the latest models had USB keyboards/pads AFAIK.


"The missing ADB keyboard/pad driver is not a real issue anymore, it's basically ready. We actually might consider Ibook support in a future update. It pretty much depends on the success/acceptance of the PowerBook option. The forthcoming update will definitely focus on fixing bugs that went unnoticed while doing our internal testing, though. So expanding hardware support is something that is considered after that ..."
http://www.morphzone.org/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=8042&forum=11&start=98

Don't know what (if indeed anything) this could mean for your old Ti PowerBook though (guess they are a bit down on the priority list due to age and performance?), not even Ibook support was really promised above (although there must be some thought behind developing drivers for ADB), and in any case, no new HW support until MorphOS 3.2 at the earliest. But who knows?

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Re: MorphOS 3.0 released - PowerBook G4 support and new pricing
« Reply #38 on: June 10, 2012, 08:53:28 AM »
Well the ADB-driver IS used in 3.0 !!!


For the PWR-button on MMini and PBs (wether that was the reason for starting with ADB or if it's just a side result while writing ADB kbd-drivers is anybodys guess).
1. Make an announcment.
2. Wait a while.
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Re: MorphOS 3.0 released - PowerBook G4 support and new pricing
« Reply #39 on: June 10, 2012, 09:20:32 AM »
Is it (MOS) feature complete on all the PB's?  Wifi and etc?
 

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« Reply #40 on: June 10, 2012, 12:22:27 PM »
Just no Wi-Fi.
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Re: MorphOS 3.0 released - PowerBook G4 support and new pricing
« Reply #41 on: June 10, 2012, 12:25:01 PM »
Ahh, too bad, there goes my idea of giving it a try.  Cheers for the reply!
 

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« Reply #42 on: June 10, 2012, 12:35:19 PM »
Well, think they`re doing it for later and you can use a card in the meantime of course.
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Re: MorphOS 3.0 released - PowerBook G4 support and new pricing
« Reply #43 on: June 10, 2012, 04:10:59 PM »
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Just no Wi-Fi.

??

that's sort of underwhelming.

Am I missing something? My A1200 has wireless internet.
 

Offline commodorejohn

Re: MorphOS 3.0 released - PowerBook G4 support and new pricing
« Reply #44 on: June 10, 2012, 04:30:06 PM »
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"The missing ADB keyboard/pad driver is not a real issue anymore, it's basically ready. We actually might consider Ibook support in a future update. It pretty much depends on the success/acceptance of the PowerBook option. The forthcoming update will definitely focus on fixing bugs that went unnoticed while doing our internal testing, though. So expanding hardware support is something that is considered after that ..."
http://www.morphzone.org/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=8042&forum=11&start=98
Huh, well, even the possibility is more than I was expecting, so that's good to hear.

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Don't know what (if indeed anything) this could mean for your old Ti PowerBook though (guess they are a bit down on the priority list due to age and performance?)
I'd think it depends on the model. Mine's a 1GHz 7450 with a Radeon Mobility 9000, it's hardly worse than the early aluminum models (slower RAM, though.) And it certainly performs adequately enough...
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