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Offline commodorejohn

Re: Takers - One Woman's Opinion of the Amiga Mini
« Reply #240 on: March 29, 2012, 04:58:20 PM »
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Think about the possibility of "Apollo" going 2-3Ghz (or more!) ASIC some day (hello Thierry! ;)). The 68k-architechture would get a super speed boost!
And it's also cool the 68k is further enchanced by the Natami-team :)
Well, let's not get too far off into dreamland here, but it would be neat to see it running in proper silicon someday :)

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Well, just like you would use a car, many will use a computer. A Commodore Amiga computer even...but so, enthusiasts will always have their special thing and be proud of it, but general public uses a pc Amiga as a tool to get the job done. Commodore USA is not about retro hobby market, it's about making real business with a little bit of that Commodore spirit. And no other modern pc computer manufacturer offers a single bit of that spirit.
That is absolutely untrue. (For one thing, if CUSA is "not about the retro hobby market" as they've continually claimed, they sure do a lot of promoting to it. Almost like they can't sell to anyone else...) There is nothing Commodore, spirit or otherwise, about this outfit or their products. They don't embody anything about what made the machines good, or even any of the things that made the company successful (vertical integration, competitive pricing.) Nothing whatsoever.

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What we need is either a port of OS4 to x86 64 and 32bit flavour with multithreading and multiprocessing Kernal. Or Amithlon+++ with the same.
If it were that simple to support SMP on the Amiga OS, they'd have done it already. The problem of the whole system being a free-for-all of pointers passed around like needles at a junkie convention and that being the entire basis for the message-passing system isn't just going to go away because you picked a different CPU to do it on.

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But between A1000 and A4000 they made no improvement to the machines A/V until 1991. Improvements like more colours on screen in 320x200, more blitter bandwidth, HAM8. All could have been done before A500+. Sound was never improved, even dual Paula config would have been welcome in AGA.

Commodore failed to realise they were fighting two fronts. Mac+PC for £2000+ and £150 SNES+SEGA and finally. More money was lost to console sales than 486PC Doom £1000 setups, and by 1988/9 there were non x86 computers/consoles with 256 colours vs the A500 using 2.5 year old A1000 chipset for 5 years was a joke! (and a pig ugly case)
Oh, no argument there (well, except that I like the A500's case,) my point was just that holding up the eventual introduction of an autoconfiguring expansion bus to the PC world as The Very Reason that PCs won out is silly when (A) that didn't even happen until after Commodore was gone and (B) the Amiga had one from the get-go. I will in no way dispute that Commodore's post-OCS R&D sucked.

(Oh, also, saying the TG16 had 256 colors is a bit of a stretch - it had 16 palettes of 16 colors, not a true 256-color mode.)
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Offline Fats

Re: Takers - One Woman's Opinion of the Amiga Mini
« Reply #241 on: March 29, 2012, 11:28:00 PM »
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Lets just say it sounds like Hermans, but it doesn't mean that his opinion is a realistic representation of the actual rights of Hyperion.


Sure, I may not be Staf, you may not be Iggy and Hyperionmp may not be Ben.
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Offline Iggy

Re: Takers - One Woman's Opinion of the Amiga Mini
« Reply #242 on: March 29, 2012, 11:59:17 PM »
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Sure, I may not be Staf, you may not be Iggy and Hyperionmp may not be Ben.
Staf.

You're probably right Staf. Sounds like Ben, smells like Ben.
Good thing we didn't step in it. :roflmao:

And he does like litigation.
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Offline commodorejohn

Re: Takers - One Woman's Opinion of the Amiga Mini
« Reply #244 on: March 31, 2012, 04:43:18 AM »
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Add this to the list of nostalgia-baiting remakes that don't live up to their inspiration.
Ah, that warms my heart, it does...
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Offline darkage

Re: Takers - One Woman's Opinion of the Amiga Mini
« Reply #245 on: March 31, 2012, 05:12:08 AM »
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Slashdot covered the Amiga Mini announcement.

http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/12/03/22/1241200/amiga-returns-with-lackluster-linux-powered-mini-pc


I loved the first comment on /.

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Offline Digiman

Re: Takers - One Woman's Opinion of the Amiga Mini
« Reply #246 on: April 02, 2012, 05:34:42 PM »
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(Oh, also, saying the TG16 had 256 colors is a bit of a stretch - it had 16 palettes of 16 colors, not a true 256-color mode.)


Ahh no I was thinking 1987 Acorn Archimedes (256/4096 colours) and the SAM coupe(ZX Spectrum compatible with 256/256 SNES style mode). Unreleased include Commodore 65 and Konix console chipsets. Even if they just made EHB a bit faster it would have helped IMO

@The comment about OS4 x86 via PPC emulator/PPC Amithlon is the short term solution. A full rewrite in pure X86 is needed after (free upgrade). But hell the fastest i7 mb+cpu setup is peanuts compared to SAM 460 mb+cpu.

Is OS4 good enough? Can't say as I never had £1000+ to waste on a slow CPU+mb :roflmao:
 

Offline commodorejohn

Re: Takers - One Woman's Opinion of the Amiga Mini
« Reply #247 on: April 02, 2012, 07:49:02 PM »
i7 isn't going to get you much over a single-core CPU, though, when the OS can't do SMP - not unless you figure out a way to efficiently parallelize emulation of a single CPU across multiple cores.
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Offline Iggy

Re: Takers - One Woman's Opinion of the Amiga Mini
« Reply #248 on: April 02, 2012, 08:22:59 PM »
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i7 isn't going to get you much over a single-core CPU, though, when the OS can't do SMP - not unless you figure out a way to efficiently parallelize emulation of a single CPU across multiple cores.

Yes, this is a good point,
When I built an AROS system I used a single core Athlon 64 and overclocked it.
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Offline orange

Re: Takers - One Woman's Opinion of the Amiga Mini
« Reply #249 on: April 02, 2012, 09:20:14 PM »
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I loved the first comment on /.

"This is not Commodore, this is not the Amiga. This is a "


hands down, this one is the best : http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2740745&cid=39439549

:)
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Offline F1Lupo

Re: Takers - One Woman's Opinion of the Amiga Mini
« Reply #250 on: April 03, 2012, 01:08:10 AM »
I can't stand apple products but this statement over at slashdot is priceless!



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They  only have 4GB of memory by default, but at $999 you can get one with  dual 7200rpm 500GB hard drives, Intel HD 3000 graphics, and a copy of  Lion Server. There's no bluray, but it's also less than half the price  of this Amiga DOA box.
When your product is a less attractive  knockoff of an Apple design and somehow you manage to more than double  an Apple price... I'm guessing your future does not include being filthy  stinking rich."
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Offline magnetic

Re: Takers - One Woman's Opinion of the Amiga Mini
« Reply #251 on: April 03, 2012, 03:52:30 AM »
Why this thread has 9k views is beyond my understanding.. once again i ask who cares about one person's opinion?
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Offline commodorejohn

Re: Takers - One Woman's Opinion of the Amiga Mini
« Reply #252 on: April 03, 2012, 04:32:18 AM »
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Why this thread has 9k views is beyond my understanding.. once again i ask who cares about one person's opinion?
Well, you, for one...
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