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Offline Michele31415

Re: What's eating my RAM?
« Reply #15 on: January 19, 2012, 07:25:41 AM »
"That and getting away from Ami Dock.  Never liked it anyway..."

Well as a matter of fact, I don't like it either and I have no idea how it got in there.  How do I get rid of that?
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Offline Michele31415

Re: What's eating my RAM?
« Reply #16 on: January 19, 2012, 07:29:49 AM »
"Scout is probably the best Amiga task and resource snooping program...

http://aminet.net/util/moni/Scout_os3.lha

Mounting CD0: could use some memory if ACTIVATE=1."

Thanks!  I've downloaded those and will try them out tomorrow.  It's getting late and I think I've had enough fun for one day :-)

Thanks to everyone for their most helpful thoughts so far on this.
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Offline zipper

Re: What's eating my RAM?
« Reply #17 on: January 19, 2012, 07:52:42 AM »
Quote from: Michele31415;676511
"That and getting away from Ami Dock.  Never liked it anyway..."
Well as a matter of fact, I don't like it either and I have no idea how it got in there.  How do I get rid of that?


Just move it out from WbStartup so it doesn't start.
 

Offline matthey

Re: What's eating my RAM?
« Reply #18 on: January 19, 2012, 08:34:53 AM »
Quote from: Michele31415;676509

Maybe the answer then is to jumper the 8-Up board to provide just 2 meg.  That would give me a total of 6 meg which would still let me use the Bridgeboard (which I'm using to help debug another retro project - an old 386-SX) but still provide 2 meg to run the Amiga side.


That might work. The original 68000 was very limiting in address space so only 8MB was designated to Zorro II space. The A2630, 8-up, Bridgeboard and any other boards in your Zorro II slots all want to share that same space. Many other accelerators, like GVP, have a jumper to address it's memory outside of Zorro II space which is physically possible because the 68030 has a much larger address space and it's memory doesn't have to go through the Zorro II bus. Unfortunately, C= didn't make very good accelerators. You will have to squeeze all your memory into that 8MB address space unless you upgrade to a more advanced accelerator.

Quote from: Michele31415;676509

Or is there some code I can run to fool the system into thinking it's only got a certain amount of fast ram?  Then I could just leave the 8-Up board as is.


No. I don't think it's possible. The 4MB on the A2630 with 4MB on the 8-up is all that the A2630 supports according to the original documentation. There may be a hack or ROM upgrade for the A2630 to map it's 4MB outside of Zorro II space that I don't know about. It would also be possible to add a ACCESS 32 or DKB 2632 ram expander and disable the 4 MB but it would probably be just as cheap and easier to find a better accelerator (maybe with SCSI and supporting 16MB+ outside Zorro II space) as they are pretty cheap now days. You might list your location to see if anyone local has better "cheap" hardware.
 

Offline Michele31415

Re: What's eating my RAM?
« Reply #19 on: January 19, 2012, 08:52:23 PM »
Thanks very much for the knowledgable opinion.  As it happens, I also have a fully populated DKB2632 that I have yet to install.  For the moment, I'm still wringing out all the new stuff I've added to the original configuration.

The one piece of additional hardware I'd still like is a graphics card so I can use a larger monitor.  I'm really used to my dual 1920x1200 monitors on my PC.
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Offline Michele31415

Re: What's eating my RAM?
« Reply #20 on: January 19, 2012, 08:55:30 PM »
Well I downloaded Scout but when I went to install it I got this error:

Quote
"MUI MList object '0x0046A7E0' have found that the real stacksize of the task 'Shell Process' is only 4096 bytes.

The minimum stack size for MUI programs is 8 Kb, and it's probably better to set it to 10 Kb, 12 Kb or 16 Kb...

MList object creation will fail until you'll set a correct value for it."

OK, fine.  The only thing missing here is how to do that.  Help!
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Offline Boot_WB

Re: What's eating my RAM?
« Reply #21 on: January 19, 2012, 09:08:29 PM »
Quote from: Michele31415;676595
Well I downloaded Scout but when I went to install it I got this error:



OK, fine.  The only thing missing here is how to do that.  Help!


Hi Michele,

If you select Scout's icon, and open the icon information (iirc, right click on the icon, select information from one of the menus - possibly the 'icon' or 'file' menu - can't remember).

Stacksize is one of the fields in the icon information dialog box, you can change it from 4096 to 8192 (or 16384, or... etc). Click 'save' in the dialog box, and you're done.

Regards


Rich
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Powerbook 5.8 (15", 1.67GHz, 128MB VRam, 1GB Ram): MorphOS 3.8.

Windows-free since 2011-2014 (Damn you Netflix!)
 

Offline Michele31415

Re: What's eating my RAM?
« Reply #22 on: January 19, 2012, 09:14:45 PM »
Am I running the install file wrong or something?  I'm just saying "execute filename" and getting this error.

And I just tried installing something else and got the same error.  And why do these script files have their commands enclosed in parentheses like Lisp statements???
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Offline Michele31415

Re: What's eating my RAM?
« Reply #23 on: January 19, 2012, 09:36:57 PM »
"Stacksize is one of the fields in the icon information dialog box, "

Hmm - not for me.  I got icon information dialog box open, but all it has in it is the name "Tooltypes:" on the left next to a big empty box on the right.

Update: never mind.  I had been trying to run Scout from a Shell window.  When I opened it by clicking its icon, it worked just fine.  And a most impressive tool it is too.  This is almost as good as SIW for the PC.  Thanks very much matthey for recommending this.
« Last Edit: January 19, 2012, 09:48:34 PM by Michele31415 »
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Offline motrucker

Re: What's eating my RAM?
« Reply #24 on: January 19, 2012, 11:14:33 PM »
Quote from: Michele31415;676601
"Stacksize is one of the fields in the icon information dialog box, "

Hmm - not for me.  I got icon information dialog box open, but all it has in it is the name "Tooltypes:" on the left next to a big empty box on the right.

Update: never mind.  I had been trying to run Scout from a Shell window.  When I opened it by clicking its icon, it worked just fine.  And a most impressive tool it is too.  This is almost as good as SIW for the PC.  Thanks very much matthey for recommending this.

Did no one suggest SnoopDOS to find your problem.? I still use it, but Scout may a better choice (It's been awhile since I used it.
The fact the 3.9 is a real memory pig really pops up on an A2000. You might be better off dropping back to 3.1.
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Offline Michele31415

Re: What's eating my RAM?
« Reply #25 on: January 20, 2012, 01:54:10 AM »
No, I didn't know about SnoopDOS.  But for the time being, I'm going with the theory that I really am using 4 meg. running 3.9.  I guess I'll just boot my 3.1 from a floppy when I want to use the Bridgeboard.
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Offline Thorham

Re: What's eating my RAM?
« Reply #26 on: January 20, 2012, 02:04:32 AM »
Quote from: Michele31415;676642
I guess I'll just boot my 3.1 from a floppy when I want to use the Bridgeboard.
If 3.9 doesn't have anything you need, then going back to Workbench 3.1 completely would be advisable.
 

Offline matthey

Re: What's eating my RAM?
« Reply #27 on: January 20, 2012, 02:21:10 AM »
Quote from: Michele31415;676593
Thanks very much for the knowledgable opinion.  As it happens, I also have a fully populated DKB2632 that I have yet to install.  For the moment, I'm still wringing out all the new stuff I've added to the original configuration.

The DKB2632 should solve the memory problems. Remove the 8-up and your good to go.

Quote from: Michele31415;676593
The one piece of additional hardware I'd still like is a graphics card so I can use a larger monitor.  I'm really used to my dual 1920x1200 monitors on my PC.

The Picasso 4 is the best card for a 2000 as it has excellent performance and a flickerfixer/scandoubler but it's very expensive. I have a friend who has a Cybervision 64/3D in his 2000 (with 68030) that works well and reasonably fast (P96) but it's a 2 monitor/switched setup. Most gfx cards will use valuable Zorro 2 space on a 2000. 1920x1200 is a bit high for these older cards but should be possible in 8 bit with 4 MB gfx memory. You might consider replacing your whole Amiga with an fpga Amiga like the fpga Arcade or Natami too. They should have better gfx support built in (AGA, ff/scandoubled much faster, etc).

Quote from: Thorham;676644
If 3.9 doesn't have anything you need, then going back to Workbench 3.1 completely would be advisable.

A gfx card is a good reason to stay with 3.9. He should have the ram with the DKB2632 too. I wouldn't go back.
« Last Edit: January 20, 2012, 02:26:17 AM by matthey »
 

Offline Tenacious

Re: What's eating my RAM?
« Reply #28 on: January 20, 2012, 03:25:11 AM »
I wonder if you're not exceeding the 8 Meg (16-bit, Zorro2) memory limit with your 8-Up, A2088, X-Serf, Deneb USB, etc.  Everything in the Zorro2 slots must fit in that address space.  I think Matthey is right, try it without the 8-Up card.

I think even SysInfo will show the address space each card tries to take.  It should also show how much 16-bit Chip ram, 16-bit Fast ram and 32-bit Fast memory is installed.
« Last Edit: January 20, 2012, 03:28:22 AM by Tenacious »
 

Offline Michele31415

Re: What's eating my RAM?
« Reply #29 on: January 20, 2012, 06:03:29 AM »
Thanks guys.  Those are all good suggestions.  Tomorrow I'll see if I can nail down the address space question and then I'll try replacing the 8-Up with the DKB2632 and see what that does.
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