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Offline Dazxy2001

Re: Minimum AROS specs?
« Reply #15 on: January 14, 2012, 07:21:30 PM »
Aros runs very nicely on Acer Aspire One netbooks with the GUI being very responsive even with J-UAE running integrated on Icaros.
And in the past I had used an older version on an AMD K7 @ 600mhz with 256MB ram with a Voodoo 3 3000.
« Last Edit: January 14, 2012, 07:28:47 PM by Dazxy2001 »
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Offline paolone

Re: Minimum AROS specs?
« Reply #16 on: January 15, 2012, 09:30:07 AM »
Quote from: Dazxy2001;675790
Aros runs very nicely on Acer Aspire One netbooks with the GUI being very responsive even with J-UAE running integrated on Icaros.
And in the past I had used an older version on an AMD K7 @ 600mhz with 256MB ram with a Voodoo 3 3000.

Exact. And we're talking about a 1,6 GHz Atom processor system (Aspire One) with 1 GB of RAM, surely not about a obsolete 400 MHz Pentium II or III. Whoever said everything depends on our own meaning of "good experience" was theoretically right, however there is a "general paradygm" which in practice states that a "good experience" is the ability to do everything the system can do without noticeable performance loss. Icaros allows to play 3D games, browse the web, play 1080p HD videos, emulate and integrate 68K software, draw images with Lodepaint and AmiFig, record videos from the screen and so on, but all these things need some grunt only 1.6 or more GHz processors can give. And best of all a complete supported system. You can be satisfied of half these things for a quick poke in the system, or for a curious trial, but if you wish to start using it every day - well - a fully supported, fast system is the best you can choose.
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Offline persia

Re: Minimum AROS specs?
« Reply #17 on: January 15, 2012, 04:06:13 PM »
What about 2 GHz Pentium 4s?  Well in the "junk" range but surely not much worse than an atom?
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Offline paolone

Re: Minimum AROS specs?
« Reply #18 on: January 15, 2012, 04:27:07 PM »
Quote from: persia;675906
What about 2 GHz Pentium 4s?  Well in the "junk" range but surely not much worse than an atom?

I'd say they're absolutely good for AROS. I just suggest to avoid anything too old or too much underpowered to give a good experience. Don't forget different processor architectures behave really different at the same core frequency. For instance, a 1.8 GHz Sandy Bridge processor will be better than a 2,4 GHz Pentium 4. But that doesn't matter at all: what I say, in the end, is just avoid to use those old 400 or 500 MHz processors. The fact that AROS can run on them doesn't absolutely mean you wish to use AROS on them.
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Offline kedawa

Re: Minimum AROS specs?
« Reply #19 on: January 15, 2012, 04:35:37 PM »
I think those would actually be better than Atom.
 

Offline dammy

Re: Minimum AROS specs?
« Reply #20 on: January 15, 2012, 04:55:11 PM »
Quote from: paolone;675911
I'd say they're absolutely good for AROS. I just suggest to avoid anything too old or too much underpowered to give a good experience. Don't forget different processor architectures behave really different at the same core frequency. For instance, a 1.8 GHz Sandy Bridge processor will be better than a 2,4 GHz Pentium 4. But that doesn't matter at all: what I say, in the end, is just avoid to use those old 400 or 500 MHz processors. The fact that AROS can run on them doesn't absolutely mean you wish to use AROS on them.


I think the approach is wrong, perhaps focusing in on a reasonable performance gfx card that AROS supports would be better as most technoids would associate a reasonable system with that level of GPU performance. ie, if the gfx card is PCI-E and not AGP, a 233MHz pentium would not be considered.
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Offline paolone

Re: Minimum AROS specs?
« Reply #21 on: January 16, 2012, 10:39:58 AM »
Quote from: kedawa;675915
I think those would actually be better than Atom.

If you mean a old 400/500 MHz PentiumII/III would be better than a 1.6 GHz Atom processor, then you simply don't have a clue of what you are talking about, sorry. Atoms in-order architecture may be archaic and unable to give the finest results under heavy loads (with multiple different tasks in execution), but it is much faster than those old 400-500 pieces of junk.

Also don't forget the rest of the computer platform (memory, disk access, GPU) can help a lot to gain overall performances. I have a 1.6 GHz Atom Aspire One and a Compaq Presario N610c (whose processor should be faster than the Atom, at least on the papersheets), and Icaros performs better on the former than on the latter.
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Offline paolone

Re: Minimum AROS specs?
« Reply #22 on: January 16, 2012, 10:46:30 AM »
Quote from: dammy;675919
I think the approach is wrong, perhaps focusing in on a reasonable performance gfx card that AROS supports would be better as most technoids would associate a reasonable system with that level of GPU performance. ie, if the gfx card is PCI-E and not AGP, a 233MHz pentium would not be considered.

I do not agree, for the simple reason that 90% of the AROS software relies on CPU performance. Moreover, on single core speeds. GPUs are fine for gaming, however it's too early to stick to them to evaluate systems for AROS. People wouldn't just understand why they'd need a PCI Express GF7600 (example) to run Janus-UAE and OWB, for instance. And there are still very good AGP cards out there that might be used with AROS (PCI Express ones are better, though - no potential AGP software issues in the middle). The good things about PC hardware is you can mix it up as you like, with a good degree of freedom, so I prefer to give specs in form of processor, ram, drive space and - why not - GPU.
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Offline kedawa

Re: Minimum AROS specs?
« Reply #23 on: January 17, 2012, 04:55:25 PM »
Quote from: paolone;676117
If you mean a old 400/500 MHz PentiumII/III would be better than a 1.6 GHz Atom processor, then you simply don't have a clue of what you are talking about, sorry. Atoms in-order architecture may be archaic and unable to give the finest results under heavy loads (with multiple different tasks in execution), but it is much faster than those old 400-500 pieces of junk


Quote from: persia;675906
What about 2 GHz Pentium 4s?  Well in the "junk" range but surely not much worse than an atom?


Thanks for the dickish attitude anyway, though.
 

Offline trekiej

Re: Minimum AROS specs?
« Reply #24 on: January 17, 2012, 05:35:23 PM »
I have an IBM PC 300 GL:
128 MB RAM
500 Mhz processor
Nvidia MX440 video card with 64 MB RAM.
Sound Blast 16 PCI ( emu10k )
Intel Pro 100 nic.
Unfortunately the ESS sound does not work.
I had to use a USB mouse and Keyboard as the ps2 ports quit working after Grub.
I seems to run well with Icaros 1.3.3, but it does get choppy when I want to move an application around on screen when something is running.
The patches do not do me any good, I will have to check Icaros Website.
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Offline paolone

Re: Minimum AROS specs?
« Reply #25 on: January 17, 2012, 10:16:18 PM »
Quote from: trekiej;676321
I have an IBM PC 300 GL:
128 MB RAM
500 Mhz processor
Nvidia MX440 video card with 64 MB RAM.
Sound Blast 16 PCI ( emu10k )
Intel Pro 100 nic.
Unfortunately the ESS sound does not work.
I had to use a USB mouse and Keyboard as the ps2 ports quit working after Grub.
I seems to run well with Icaros 1.3.3, but it does get choppy when I want to move an application around on screen when something is running.
The patches do not do me any good, I will have to check Icaros Website.

500 MHz processor is good for standard-quality video reproduction (DVD should play fine, DivX videos with lower bit rate as well), playing music, looking at some sites with OWB, chatting with WookieChat, playing some simple games, but nothing more.

128 MB of RAM are the bare minimum to run some applications. Minimum specs for Icaros Desktop are 256, though.

GeForce 4MX is outdated and not supported for 3D part, but it should work for the 2D part.

No surprise Icaros Desktop doesn't run very well on your system. Please disable decorations in S:startup-sequence commenting out the "C:Decoration" line, disable Opaque and run the Services prefs to kill any unneeded service.  Then reboot. Use also fixed IP for your local network if applicable. This should help you getting some speed improvement, even if it will lower somehow visuals. Ah, and disable also transparency in drag and drop operations.

...and please upgrade to better suited hardware if you can!
p.bes

 

Offline trekiej

Re: Minimum AROS specs?
« Reply #26 on: January 19, 2012, 07:17:31 PM »
Thanks Paolone.
Well, I thought I had a compatable system. :D
I will look for  more memory.
edit.
« Last Edit: January 26, 2012, 10:11:57 PM by trekiej »
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Offline Dazxy2001

Re: Minimum AROS specs?
« Reply #27 on: January 19, 2012, 08:20:45 PM »
Quote from: persia;675906
What about 2 GHz Pentium 4s?  Well in the "junk" range but surely not much worse than an atom?

Looking at various benchmarks a 1.6ghz Atom walks all over a P4 running at the same speed in most tests, Super PI, Dhrystone ALU etc
And the 2ghz P4 is roughly in the same ball park performance wise
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