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Offline Amiduffer

Re: Commodore trademark has a new daddy
« Reply #30 on: December 30, 2011, 07:28:44 PM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpO7kBm0mxM

The whole thing reminds me of this.
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Offline cgutjahr

Re: Commodore trademark has a new daddy
« Reply #31 on: December 30, 2011, 08:55:45 PM »
Quote from: digitex;673599
[...] granting us EXCLUSIVE WORLDWIDE rights to [...] the BOING Ball

I'm not a native English speaker, so could you please clarify if you claim to have an exclusive license to use the Boingball image? That would directly contradict AInc's settlement with Hyperion, that's why I'm asking.

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These registered trademarked logos include the BOING Ball, TIC/Check mark, letter A and the word AMIGA logos.

AFAIK, neither the check mark nor the letter A are registered trademarks in the US or Europe - I was actively searching for registered Amiga related trademarks a while ago. Could you give us some serial no. or anything like that so we can check the registration in the USPTO database?

If they're not registered, any claims of ownership are on somewhat shacky ground IMHO. The italic "A" (I doubt you can actually protect that at all) hasn't been used commercially for fifteen years, the last commercial use of the checkmark was a decade ago (and if I don't tell you where it has been used, you'd never find out).
 

Offline number6

Re: Commodore trademark has a new daddy
« Reply #32 on: December 30, 2011, 09:10:13 PM »
Quote from: cgutjahr;673664
I'm not a native English speaker, so could you please clarify if you claim to have an exclusive license to use the Boingball image? That would directly contradict AInc's settlement with Hyperion, that's why I'm asking.


AFAIK, neither the check mark nor the letter A are registered trademarks in the US or Europe - I was actively searching for registered Amiga related trademarks a while ago. Could you give us some serial no. or anything like that so we can check the registration in the USPTO database?

If they're not registered, any claims of ownership are on somewhat shacky ground IMHO. The italic "A" (I doubt you can actually protect that at all) hasn't been used commercially for fifteen years, the last commercial use of the checkmark was a decade ago (and if I don't tell you where it has been used, you'd never find out).



I commented on that here
Please read my interpretation and tell me if I'm wrong.

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Offline haywirepc

Re: Commodore trademark has a new daddy
« Reply #33 on: December 30, 2011, 10:11:45 PM »
I don't understand how someone can sell exclusive worldwide rights to something someone else already had been given rights to in a previous legal agreement, but then thats just the dirtball kind of thing we've got to expect from silly billy over at the joke of amiga inc. I guess he needed to do something because the sales of his snowman app (Their only product in HOW many years) have been slipping lately. :roflmao:

Also, what happened to their tablets? Their "SHOP" does not work for how long now. I guess they didn't have money to actually buy and rebrand those things.

Also...saying your buying NON amiga commodore ip is kind of strange. What do you then own? commodore pet,vic20, c64/65 and 128 basic roms? I suppose the commodore name and the right to use it for anything you want is worth something, but I can't imagine what pre-amiga commodore IP is worth.

Interesting... I hope they do something good with the name but given their track record so far, I'm not holding my breath.

Steven
 

Offline number6

Re: Commodore trademark has a new daddy
« Reply #34 on: December 30, 2011, 10:20:31 PM »
Quote from: haywirepc;673671

Also, what happened to their tablets? Their "SHOP" does not work for how long now. I guess they didn't have money to actually buy and rebrand those things.
Steven



somewhat newish info

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Offline cgutjahr

Re: Commodore trademark has a new daddy
« Reply #35 on: December 30, 2011, 10:36:38 PM »
Quote from: number6;673666

Please read my interpretation and tell me if I'm wrong.

I take it you're referring to the fact that the Boingball image is not registered anymore either. That's correct, but for the sake of simplicity (reregistering or even defending it without having it registered should be very easy, as it's still in commercial use) I decided to not mention that. Barry already has enough questions to answer.
 

Offline orb85750

Re: Commodore trademark has a new daddy
« Reply #36 on: December 30, 2011, 11:40:18 PM »
Quote from: spirantho;673603
It's good that all the Commodore and Amiga branding is united under one roof again.....

.. as long as the names aren't just used to stick on generic PCs as leverage to sell machines anyway.


The wrong roof.
 

Offline Akiko

Re: Commodore trademark has a new daddy
« Reply #37 on: December 30, 2011, 11:48:07 PM »
Quote from: number6;673674
somewhat newish info

#6


Looks like some people got screwed over, a leopard doesn't change it's spots.
 

Offline dammy

Re: Commodore trademark has a new daddy
« Reply #38 on: December 31, 2011, 07:59:05 AM »
Quote from: Delta;673653
So that's a big annoucement for them? ....ooooo...kaayy...  Now what?


No, this is not the big announcement.   Haters should rest up, they will need all their strength when the announcement hits.
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Re: Commodore trademark has a new daddy
« Reply #39 on: December 31, 2011, 08:23:55 AM »
You mean another fantastic news like that deal with Disney ?

Or that fantastic 30.000.000$ advertising budget ?

Don't forget the 100.000++ NotC=64s that have been sold via major retail outlets !!

Or that fantastic Mint-Linux based Ski^H^H^H COS !!!!!!

Hanging on the tip of my chair.
1. Make an announcment.
2. Wait a while.
3. Check if it can actually be done.
4. Wait for someone else to do it.
5. Start working on it while giving out hillarious progress-reports.
6. Deny that you have ever announced it
7. Blame someone else
 

Offline TheDaddy

Re: Commodore trademark has a new daddy
« Reply #40 on: December 31, 2011, 08:41:04 AM »
Quote from: dammy;673737
No, this is not the big announcement.   Haters should rest up, they will need all their strength when the announcement hits.


THE announcement...the worst kept secret in Amiga history.

Also you keep saying "haters" and it has never crossed your tiny, little mind that there are REASONS for that.
« Last Edit: December 31, 2011, 08:43:28 AM by TheDaddy »
 

Offline spirantho

Re: Commodore trademark has a new daddy
« Reply #41 on: December 31, 2011, 09:06:26 AM »
Quote from: dammy;673737
No, this is not the big announcement.   Haters should rest up, they will need all their strength when the announcement hits.


Serioisly, and I mean this as genuine advice, you and other C=USA people would be very well advised to stop with the news of announcements. It's one thing to put out a bit of hype but going on and on about how there's going to be an announcement just gets everybody fed up and not interested.

You're getting a reputation for hyperbole much more than a reputation for products, is that really what you want?
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Offline takemehomegrandma

Re: Commodore trademark has a new daddy
« Reply #42 on: December 31, 2011, 09:23:44 AM »
Quote from: dammy;673612
On Dec 22, 2011 Commodore USA, LLC and Amiga Inc. signed a new contract granting us EXCLUSIVE WORLDWIDE rights to ALL format computers branded with the Amiga trademark IP. These registered trademarked logos include the BOING Ball, TIC/Check mark, letter A and the word AMIGA logos. Form factors include, but are not limited to Desktop, HTPC, Tower, AIO/ Keyboard etc.

This contract will run through Dec 31, 2018, with optional renewals. Additionally we have been granted the right to enforce the Amiga trademark IP, in instances where we feel the trademark property has been either used in an unauthorized manner or in a form not allowed under current international and US law.


Bring more popcorn! :D

2012 will be the Year of the Amiga!

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Offline spirantho

Re: Commodore trademark has a new daddy
« Reply #43 on: December 31, 2011, 09:28:38 AM »
Quote from: takemehomegrandma;673747
Bring more popcorn! :D

2012 will be the Year of the Amiga!


We need an official popcorn brand for A.org...

... then I can buy shares in them and get megarich! Muhahahahahaaa.....
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Offline Andre.Siegel

Re: Commodore trademark has a new daddy
« Reply #44 on: December 31, 2011, 10:43:14 AM »
Quote from: cgutjahr;673664
I'm not a native English speaker, so could you please clarify if you claim to have an exclusive license to use the Boingball image? That would directly contradict AInc's settlement with Hyperion, that's why I'm asking.


The statement is actually very specific. I highlighted the important part:

"On Dec 22, 2011 Commodore USA, LLC and Amiga Inc. signed a new contract granting us EXCLUSIVE WORLDWIDE rights to ALL format computers branded with the Amiga trademark IP.

In their settlement with Hyperion Entertainment, Amiga granted the opposing party the right to use the Boing Ball logo in conjuction with a particular software product.

"Within the framework of the settlement agreement Hyperion is granted an exclusive, perpetual, worldwide right to AmigaOS 3.1 in order to use, develop, modify, commercialize, distribute and market AmigaOS 4.x ... under the exclusive trademark "AmigaOS" (Amiga operating system) and using other associated trademarks (such as the "BoingBall" logo)."


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AFAIK, neither the check mark nor the letter A are registered trademarks in the US or Europe - I was actively searching for registered Amiga related trademarks a while ago. (..)

If they're not registered, any claims of ownership are on somewhat shacky ground IMHO.


I am afraid your opinion on this legal matter is a bit on shaky ground :-)