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Offline dammy

What would make a good AROS-1?
« on: January 06, 2004, 06:47:18 PM »
What would make a good AROS-1 that is cheap enough to be affordable but would still allow growth?  I would guess that a major requirement would be that such a box would have to be able to dual-boot into a more mainstream OS.  Being that, it should be x86 or x86-64 based?  Or is there a better option in bang:buck ratio for a modern desktop system?

Biggest problem is drivers for gfx/snd/nic.  What would be acceptable gfx card that developers have a reasonable chance of getting documentation for?    Same for snd card and network card.

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Re: What would make a good AROS-1?
« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2004, 07:38:41 PM »
The Best AROS-1 would be one of the Athlon64 Motherboards with integrated Gfx, Audio and networking... that we would know what hardware we are targetting and be able to develop drivers for it.

MY first thought would be one of the amasingly cheap Via Mini-ITX boards, but I would prefer to go 64bit now :-)

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Re: What would make a good AROS-1?
« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2004, 09:16:25 PM »
by bloodline on 2004/1/6 14:38:41

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The Best AROS-1 would be one of the Athlon64 Motherboards with integrated Gfx, Audio and networking... that we would know what hardware we are targetting and be able to develop drivers for it.

MY first thought would be one of the amasingly cheap Via Mini-ITX boards, but I would prefer to go 64bit now


Cheapest mobo/athlon 64 is $335 w/o intergrated gfx.  I would like to see a pure 64 bit AROS, but that's not going to happen any time soon (unless someone wants to donate a few machines to the devs;).  The cheapest Opteron mobo with onboard grx is tyan  S2850G2N with ATI Rage (8Megger) for $179.

IMO, too expensive for a AROS-1.  AROS being as small foot print, I don't think it's really needing current upper end CPUs.  2200 XP with a MSI mobo would be over kill for $110.

What keeps me wondering is, what gfx card?  Unless that nVidia bounty opens on TeamAROS and a dev takes it on, I don't see the major gfx OEMs as reasonable choice for a AROS-1.  

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Re: What would make a good AROS-1?
« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2004, 09:31:51 PM »
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The Best AROS-1 would be one of the Athlon64 Motherboards with integrated Gfx, Audio and networking... that we would know what hardware we are targetting and be able to develop drivers for it.

MY first thought would be one of the amasingly cheap Via Mini-ITX boards, but I would prefer to go 64bit now :-)


What is the reason for Athlon64?

I would say: Go for an ITX board with a FANLESS VIA cpu. There is nothing more disturbing thans noisy fans.
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Re: What would make a good AROS-1?
« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2004, 10:27:30 PM »
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What keeps me wondering is, what gfx card? Unless that nVidia bounty opens on TeamAROS and a dev takes it on, I don't see the major gfx OEMs as reasonable choice for a AROS-1.


If you don't use VIA's mini-itx gfx card I think that the best idea would be to support Radeons.

I think that a fan-less mini-itx VIA board would be great for AROS.
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Re: What would make a good AROS-1?
« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2004, 10:43:22 PM »
I have a Mini-ITX for AROS... runs great, Hard drive is noisey though  :-)

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Re: What would make a good AROS-1?
« Reply #6 on: January 06, 2004, 10:44:29 PM »
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The Best AROS-1 would be one of the Athlon64 Motherboards with integrated Gfx, Audio and networking... that we would know what hardware we are targetting and be able to develop drivers for it.

MY first thought would be one of the amasingly cheap Via Mini-ITX boards, but I would prefer to go 64bit now :-)


What is the reason for Athlon64?

I would say: Go for an ITX board with a FANLESS VIA cpu. There is nothing more disturbing thans noisy fans.


Athlon64, simply because that is the Leading edge and AROS can run on Athlon64 machines now :-)

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Re: What would make a good AROS-1?
« Reply #7 on: January 06, 2004, 11:00:00 PM »

I don't care what hardware it is or how much it costs. Just make sure that people are only allowed to buy it (to run AROS on) if it's sold under a licensed AROS-1 trademark. That's the road to success!

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Re: What would make a good AROS-1?
« Reply #8 on: January 06, 2004, 11:06:54 PM »
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I don't care what hardware it is or how much it costs. Just make sure that people are only allowed to buy it (to run AROS on) if it's sold under a licensed AROS-1 trademark. That's the road to success!



Funny you should say that, as I have some Branded AROS-1 motherboards here! They are old PentiumIII boards and come with 800Mhz CPU (No Gfx card or sound), and you can have one for only £900  :-o  Hurry, because I expect them to sell like hot cakes ;-)

I am serious, by the way. :-P

-Edit- The £794 profit will be donated to the AROS Dev team.

Offline Argo

Re: What would make a good AROS-1?
« Reply #9 on: January 07, 2004, 01:35:13 AM »
Not my setup. Haven't gotten AROS to run yet. Though it's getting closer each time. Does AROS have USB support?
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Offline Rodney

Re: What would make a good AROS-1?
« Reply #10 on: January 07, 2004, 04:01:10 AM »
besides the point it would be pointless to have an AROS-1, but i think AMD are the go. And the smaller the formfactor the better!
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Offline Jose

Re: What would make a good AROS-1?
« Reply #11 on: January 07, 2004, 05:05:58 AM »
Market it as a true multimedia OS.
An integrated JIT 68k emulator for 68k apps would be cool too.
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Re: What would make a good AROS-1?
« Reply #12 on: January 07, 2004, 05:50:00 AM »
by Argo on 2004/1/6 20:35:13


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Not my setup. Haven't gotten AROS to run yet. Though it's getting closer each time. Does AROS have USB support?


Currently there is NO support for USB.  PS2 mouse should work nicely.  Right now, there is work being done with PCI and some slight hint of some taking a relook at what has been done so far for TCP/IP.  Just takes awhile since it's all community driven OS with very little corp sponsors, though there are some rather nice folks out there who are helping out via TeamAROS bounty donations. =)

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Re: What would make a good AROS-1?
« Reply #13 on: January 07, 2004, 06:13:47 AM »
by Rodney on 2004/1/6 23:01:10

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besides the point it would be pointless to have an AROS-1, but i think AMD are the go. And the smaller the formfactor the better!


RIght now, I'll agree with you.  Given in awhile once a few major applications are finished/working, it maybe time for it. It would allow merchants to sell niche machines to end users that would be preinstalled and all the hardware has the proper drivers.  It's more of a reverse Eyetech, everyone is licensed hardware dealer and end users get to pick and chose the best machine that suits them.  Choice, what an evil thing. ;)

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Re: What would make a good AROS-1?
« Reply #14 on: January 07, 2004, 09:39:32 AM »
It would be Great to run AROS on an AMD 64 platform, full 64 bit OS would just be iceing on the cake. Wasn't the Amiga OS  the first 32 bit clean consumer OS ?