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Offline dreamcast270mhz

Re: OS for the X1000
« Reply #30 on: August 04, 2011, 11:25:04 PM »
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Offline Buzzfuzz

Re: OS for the X1000
« Reply #31 on: August 04, 2011, 11:27:44 PM »
I can and I know how to, I've been around for a while!
 
Just give me one good reason why I should spent around 1500 euro for a machine that runs OS4.2 or whatever it will be, if you can think of more than one, please, write it down here.
 
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Re: OS for the X1000
« Reply #32 on: August 04, 2011, 11:34:47 PM »
If you don't find it worth the asking price, don't buy one, lol.  I love my SAM and OS 4.1, but the x1000 is far out of my pricerange and wouldn't do anything my lowly SAM 440ep wouldn't do.
 

Offline kurkosdr

Re: OS for the X1000
« Reply #33 on: August 04, 2011, 11:36:51 PM »
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(And yes, you can't run x86 Windows-binary games, but that's true of any non-x86 system. But you do have access to any of the many open-source games out there, and some mainstream game companies like iD Software even support Linux users.)
Yeah, but those ID software games are x86-only binaries, right? Like most proprietary linux software is. So you won't be able to run them in a X1000. This is the thing about Linux: It supports 96 different architectures, fridges and car stereos included, but if you go with anything other than x86, you lose whatever little proprietary software there is for Linux.
 

Offline cgutjahr

Re: OS for the X1000
« Reply #34 on: August 04, 2011, 11:40:13 PM »
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I disagree. I don't think the X1000 was aimed at revolutionizing the Amiga platform i think it is aimed at a select few people who want one to support their favorite hobby.

You're actually not disagreeing with tmhgm, you're just wording it differently.

As you say, the X1000 is aimed at a "select few people" (that are willing to pay 2000 bucks for an outdated desktop computer as long as it runs AmigaOS). How many of those people are out there? 100? 200? 300? That's not a future, that's a dead end. Not to mention that even if there would be more customers, there are no more CPUs...

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As for it being a 'failure' that is a matter of opinion. With a guaranteed sales of 100% for all boards being made i would definitely call that a success.

For the manufacturer, yes. But what about OS4? How long have we been waiting for USB2 support? A decent 2D/3D graphics system? A filemanager that is not a joke? Some sort of concept for the whole desktop environment that goes beyond "let's try another icon set"? A web browser that doesn't suck?

There are lots of things in OS4 that urgently need improvements. Instead, the dev team is working on a port to some very expensive niche hardware.
 

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Re: OS for the X1000
« Reply #35 on: August 04, 2011, 11:47:04 PM »
Well it's price tag isn't so much the problem, I even would (dare I say it ...) sell one of my Cyberstorms to get more funds :)
 
Personally I think if i were to get it, I will use it maybe for a few months and after that I think it will gather dust.
 
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If you don't find it worth the asking price, don't buy one, lol. I love my SAM and OS 4.1, but the x1000 is far out of my pricerange and wouldn't do anything my lowly SAM 440ep wouldn't do.
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Offline commodorejohn

Re: OS for the X1000
« Reply #36 on: August 04, 2011, 11:54:35 PM »
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Yeah, but those ID software games are x86-only binaries, right?
Are they? I don't recall; I haven't actually kept up with commercial gaming in a while. They do release the source for previous engines when they come out with a new one, so you can run pre-iD Tech 4 (Doom 3 engine) games, at least (and IT4 is supposed to be released GPL sometime this year, I understand.) But yeah, that is a definite problem with Linux gaming...
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Offline Heiroglyph

Re: OS for the X1000
« Reply #37 on: August 04, 2011, 11:56:44 PM »
I'm a fan of anyone making a product in this market.  You have to be a die-hard fan and you can't expect to get rich.

I may not agree with the utility of a custom PPC that isn't significantly cheaper than a used Mac, but I don't hate it.

I just hope that the availability of the X1000 and SAM aren't the lynchpins that are keeping AOS on PPC.  That boat sailed and sank long ago.  We either need affordable PPC's or a different CPU to target.
 

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Re: OS for the X1000
« Reply #38 on: August 05, 2011, 12:02:04 AM »
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If you don't find it worth the asking price, don't buy one, lol.  I love my SAM and OS 4.1, but the x1000 is far out of my pricerange and wouldn't do anything my lowly SAM 440ep wouldn't do.

For the sake of the X1000 buyers and Trevor, I hope that the X1000 can do many things that your SAM 440EP can't do!
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Re: OS for the X1000
« Reply #39 on: August 05, 2011, 12:29:21 AM »
My SAM is more than powerful enough.  The problem is and always will be software to run on said systems.

They aren't too terribly friendly to legacy amiga progs without emulation.  There's no real modern browser, etc.  I could no more use the X1000 as a daily driver PC than I can my SAM.  Can't even navigate modern websites with the thing, for the most part.  I love it for what it is, a niche "fun" machine.  I run an old school BBS on mine, and it does that admirably and completely silently (Patriot SSD, silent PSU).

Could be 5000ghz, 24 cores, 100 GB of RAM and sing and dance - but the software just isn't there for OS 4, lol.

Buzzfuzz:  you are very correct that many people, even myself on occasion - find said systems to just be dust collectors.  It's hard to justify expense vs. function, even for the much lower priced SAM's.
 

Offline AmigaNG

Re: OS for the X1000
« Reply #40 on: August 05, 2011, 09:05:46 AM »
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I can and I know how to, I've been around for a while!
 
Just give me one good reason why I should spent around 1500 euro for a machine that runs OS4.2 or whatever it will be, if you can think of more than one, please, write it down here.

My guess is if any PC or Mac fan was reading that they be asking you the very same thing, Why do you own so many outdated computers and still follow the amiga scene?

I have a PC (I actually have three PCs), I have a Game Console (PS3, PSP) and I have 3 classic Amiga's (A1200, Cd32, A1200+040+32mb+HD etc) So why do I still spend time following the Amiga scene, trying out Aros, playing old apps and games either though Amiga Forever or on my Classic Amiga, because I still have fun with it. And I would really liked to do some of the modern stuff I do on my PC on my Amiga, simple because I want to. I hope when I finally get an OS4 machine (depending on price weather I can afford a X1000 or not) I am able to use my PC just a little less and just have fun with an Amiga system again (I hope).

Its simple a hobby and fun for me to use, for me it would be a real bonus if anything came out on the new Amiga that could massively out perform the other platform, but I dout that will be the case (expect the Reset, if it still 7sceonds thats faster than my PS3 loads a game! and my guess it might be my fastest machine for getting me on the net, little things like this will make me like and use the Amiga more and more.)

Offline Fairdinkem

Re: OS for the X1000
« Reply #41 on: August 05, 2011, 11:42:11 AM »
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Yep, and I actually enjoy tuning them, but it takes time, lots of time ;)
 

 
But while we are at it, how about this ?
 
Board is ready and your X1000 is ready to rock and roll, it has OS4.2 on it (that is what it seems to be getting on it) and it all runs fine.
You can internet on it, you can play audio on it, so your favorite mp3's and all things and it can even show your video's.
 
And then ?
 
It can't play modern pc games, or any other platform like Xbox or Playstation, other than Amiga Classic, it may be able to do the ported Quake and so on, but it won't play Call Of Duty or Need For Speed for example.
 
At most offices they use Word and Excell, so here comes an email with a word document, you may be able to read it if that exists on OS4.1, but can you also fully edit it ?
You get a PDF also, again it might be able to read it, but can you also edit it ?

Well it might not play the latest games yet but with multiple core support and Gallium being developed for AmigaOS and PCIe graphics cards the X1000 is a very positive step in the right direction.

Word, Excel and PDF documents have been viewable and editable in AmigaOS for quite some time, also not to mention Trevor Dickinson is funding the AmigaOS port of openoffice light which is a little while off completion but will eventuate.
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Offline Varthall

Re: OS for the X1000
« Reply #42 on: August 05, 2011, 11:47:13 AM »
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You're actually not disagreeing with tmhgm, you're just wording it differently.

As you say, the X1000 is aimed at a "select few people" (that are willing to pay 2000 bucks for an outdated desktop computer as long as it runs AmigaOS). How many of those people are out there? 100? 200? 300? That's not a future, that's a dead end. Not to mention that even if there would be more customers, there are no more CPUs...

Rogue has stated on Amigaworld.net that there will be a follow-up CPU after the PA-Semi one: http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=32910&forum=33&start=40&viewmode=flat&order=0#593794

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For the manufacturer, yes. But what about OS4? How long have we been waiting for USB2 support? A decent 2D/3D graphics system? A filemanager that is not a joke? Some sort of concept for the whole desktop environment that goes beyond "let's try another icon set"? A web browser that doesn't suck?

There are lots of things in OS4 that urgently need improvements. Instead, the dev team is working on a port to some very expensive niche hardware.

They are not working on the port *instead* on working on the other, urgent features: USB2 support has been included in the incoming Update 3, the 2d/3d is being worked on (http://blog.hyperion-entertainment.biz/?p=290), and work on Timberwolf and OWB-MUI is also proceeding.

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Offline Buzzfuzz

Re: OS for the X1000
« Reply #43 on: August 05, 2011, 02:17:00 PM »
Because, just like you I like to play games on my real Amiga's, and I like to mess around with hardware but that's it.
We also have annual meetings here, so my Amiga's are also shown out there.
 
But anything other than that, so internet and present games, my PC takes on that, and with a high end machine, it won't be a problem either :)
 
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My guess is if any PC or Mac fan was reading that they be asking you the very same thing, Why do you own so many outdated computers and still follow the amiga scene?
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Offline cgutjahr

Re: OS for the X1000
« Reply #44 on: August 05, 2011, 02:41:34 PM »
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Rogue has stated on Amigaworld.net that there will be a follow-up CPU after the PA-Semi one

Read it again - he's not stating anything, he's asking a question to shut somebody up. Doesn't mean anything.

My last information was that Trevor Dickinson himself doesn't have a clue what the next step - if any - wil be after the x1000. Perhaps Rogue simply didn't tell him yet ;)

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They are not working on the port *instead* on working on the other, urgent features:

I could argue your points (USB real soon now? honestly?) or make a 2nd and 3rd list with severe shortcomings in OS4. But I won't, because I actually like the product and don't want to end up bashing it. You're using it yourself, I guess you have a pretty good idea about the most urgent problems.

Are you really claiming the OS4 team doesn't lack manpower? That it could easily compensate the loss of the dozen or so skilled and experienced developers who lost interest since the project was started and start porting the OS to a hardware that's going to sell (a lot) less copies than the classic version?