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Offline anglosaxonusa

Re: Logos vs Mascots (AROS)
« Reply #45 on: December 11, 2010, 11:01:30 PM »
Quote from: kolla;598177
The arrow is resting on the wrong side of the bow - the arrow will bounce off and she'll most likely miss whatever she's aiming for. I just wanted to point that out :)

Here was the inspiration for the picture:
 
 

Offline kolla

Re: Logos vs Mascots (AROS)
« Reply #46 on: December 12, 2010, 12:51:11 AM »
Try some photo og Geena Davis instead :lol:
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Offline Belial6

Re: Logos vs Mascots (AROS)
« Reply #47 on: December 12, 2010, 04:29:33 AM »
Quote from: kolla;598152
And? As I wrote, anyone can use it for anything at this point. The only reason why the checkmark is there on boot is because kickstart 3.1 (well, 2.0 really) had it there, and replacing it is not something as trivial as replacing some bitmap.



That someone use it does not mean that it's a valid trademark. Noone has legally cared about the checkmark since the days of Amiga Technologies GMBH and Amiga OS 3.1 when it was featured on the reprinted manuals (original OS3.0 and 3.1 manuals had no checkmark on them, only the 5 colour stroke). The checkmark was abandoned in favour of the boingball once Amiga International came along, and along with the written escom "AMIGA" the boingball has been the only protected logo since.

I've had T-shirts made with Amiga checkmarks on (nice indigo coloured ones), various Amiga related sites use it - it's been public domain more or less since CBM was around to care. I have yet to hear about _anyone_ even getting note about use of Amiga checkmark. And from whom would such a note come from anyways? Cloanto? Amiga Inc? Haha - dream on. The boingball on the other hand, has been the subject of many threats throughout the years.

And anyhow - the Amiga checkmark exists in so many variants, that it doesn't really work well as a legal logo. The one I use on my excellent T-shirts have the coloured version of this one on them, which is quite accurate compared to the one found on A1000. Opposed to the one used in bootscreens (which is limited due to hardware).

But by all means, if you think I'm wrong, feel free to sue me for infringement, or talk Cloanto or whoever into doing so.


If your IP is still being sold with the trademark on it, it is still in use.  How easy or hard it is to remove is irrelevant to the fact that it is still being used on products that are still being sold.  The fact that there is more than one trademark does not make it legal for you to use.  The fact that you use it without getting sued does not make it legal for you to get used.  That fact that I think it SHOULD be legal to use does not make it legal to use.

Of course, the point that you challenge ME to sue you for a trademark that someone else owns indicates that either you have absolutely no clue what a trademark is, you are intentionally misstating your position in a hope to derail reasonable conversation.

Anyone who had any clue what a trademark was, would know that only the owners of the trademark, or maybe someone they licensed the rights to would have any claim to sue over a trademark.

In this discussion, I am on the defendants team.  Or more accurately, suggesting that the group I want sticking around, not become defendants in a legal preceding.  It would be stupid for the AROS group to use a mark that in anyway could lead to legal trouble when there is nothing to gain by doing it.
 

Offline anglosaxonusa

Re: Logos vs Mascots (AROS)
« Reply #48 on: December 12, 2010, 05:13:13 AM »
Third shot:
 

 
Detail shot 1:
 

 
Detail shot 2:
 

 
 
The image appears to read well at a small scale:
 

 
 
The heart is a play on "Eros" (love) and the assorted cupid connotations.  The arrow is a phonetic play on AROS.  The target-"O" is a foil for the arrow.  The drawing of the cat "arching" links the logo with the mascot, and the mascot herself, links with Eros through her sexyness.
 
The image (like the drawing of the cat) are scalable vector graphics and can be scaled to any size. I'm using photobucket to host the svgs as pngs, which caused some quality loss in what you see.
 
What do you think?
 

Offline EDanaII

Re: Logos vs Mascots (AROS)
« Reply #49 on: December 12, 2010, 05:28:58 AM »
Since you wanna draw allusions to AROS's roots, maybe switch the bull's eye for a (red and white checkered) dart board? Just a thought. :)
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Offline anglosaxonusa

Re: Logos vs Mascots (AROS)
« Reply #50 on: December 12, 2010, 05:44:26 AM »
Quote from: EDanaII;598237
Since you wanna draw allusions to AROS's roots, maybe switch the bull's eye for a (red and white checkered) dart board? Just a thought. :)

Brilliant! I'll see what I can come up with...
 
I tried integrating the gradient into the arrowshaft but it didn't come out right. The yellow shaft seems to work a lot better than rainbow gradient when tying it all together:
 
 

Offline CSixx

Re: Logos vs Mascots (AROS)
« Reply #51 on: December 12, 2010, 06:21:04 AM »
Shooting an arrow at a dart board doesn't sound logical to me...
 

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Re: Logos vs Mascots (AROS)
« Reply #52 on: December 12, 2010, 12:07:27 PM »
Dart board:


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Offline EDanaII

Re: Logos vs Mascots (AROS)
« Reply #53 on: December 12, 2010, 05:23:20 PM »
Quote from: CSixx;598239
Shooting an arrow at a dart board doesn't sound logical to me...

Neither does a black furry cat to represent the Amiga Legacy. :)

The point was to draw an allusion to the source of AROS's past. The only reason I suggested a dart board is because it implies an alternating pattern that better illustrates the image I was thinking of. Think bull's eye but with a red and white checkered surface. I.e. Looking down on the Boing Ball's polar north. This creates a strong allusion between AROS and Amiga.
« Last Edit: December 12, 2010, 05:25:40 PM by EDanaII »
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Offline dammy

Re: Logos vs Mascots (AROS)
« Reply #54 on: December 12, 2010, 06:07:47 PM »
Quote from: EDanaII;598306
Neither does a black furry cat to represent the Amiga Legacy. :)


I beg to differ, Eric S is apart of the Amiga community legacy. http://www.sabrina-online.com/
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Offline EDanaII

Re: Logos vs Mascots (AROS)
« Reply #55 on: December 12, 2010, 06:48:09 PM »
Wow. I didn't know it was that serious an issue. :)

AngloSaxonUSA originally wanted to create a logo that tied AROS to it's Amiga past. I don't really see that Eric is a direct part of that past, and even if he is, the Kitty logo does not clearly represent it in a way that ASUSA desires.
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Offline Belial6

Re: Logos vs Mascots (AROS)
« Reply #56 on: December 12, 2010, 08:01:24 PM »
Quote from: EDanaII;598321
Wow. I didn't know it was that serious an issue. :)

AngloSaxonUSA originally wanted to create a logo that tied AROS to it's Amiga past. I don't really see that Eric is a direct part of that past, and even if he is, the Kitty logo does not clearly represent it in a way that ASUSA desires.


Yeah, the Kitty doesn't directly tie to the Amiga's past.  Of course, that is one of the reasons that I think it is better.  Tainting AROS with anything that could even spark an idea from Ainc that they might be able to sue is bad in my book.

Something like this suggestion would be way better for a distribution logo.  That way if AInc gets any bright ideas, it can just be dropped and something else picked.  The Kitty mascot, with the cats eye logo is really a very good logo.

The problem with paying homage to the past is that if you have too many pieces from the other product, you could cause confusion.  If you cause confusion, you are treading on thin ice concerning trademark.  Since, the point of trademark is to prevent confusion.  The difference between a product that looks the same, and a counterfeit are whether the product is being passed off as coming from someone else.

Getting rid of the rainbow check marks is a good idea.  The checkerboard dartboard would make a lot of sense for Ainc, but it may be too close to a boing ball.  The fact that it is a dartboard instead of an arrow target does make sense though, because the difference between a big dart, and a little arrow is only how you launch it.
 

Offline kedawa

Re: Logos vs Mascots (AROS)
« Reply #57 on: December 12, 2010, 08:22:28 PM »
It's too damn busy.  Keep it simple and elegant.
As an unofficial logo, an arrow shattering the boing ball would be perfect.
 

Offline obscurepanic

Re: Logos vs Mascots (AROS)
« Reply #58 on: December 14, 2010, 06:48:22 AM »
I think AROS doesn't need a logo or a mascot makeover.

Perhaps Icaros needs one badly. I don't like being stared by a scary eye.
 

Offline coldfish

Re: Logos vs Mascots (AROS)
« Reply #59 on: December 14, 2010, 08:07:08 AM »
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