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Offline hceline

Re: Video: AROS 68K Booting
« Reply #45 on: November 21, 2010, 09:06:39 PM »
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nice but one thing struck me as I watched your last video;
I do not think the shell stopped working, seems to me the issue was the about program was not releasing the shell.
Misa thinks you shoulda tried with "run" or "runback" if these commands exist on aros:rtfm:
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Re: Video: AROS 68K Booting
« Reply #46 on: November 21, 2010, 09:11:38 PM »
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@bloodline
nice but one thing struck me as I watched your last video;
I do not think the shell stopped working, seems to me the issue was the about program was not releasing the shell.
Misa thinks you shoulda tried with "run" or "runback" if these commands exist on aros:rtfm:
Yeah, I was a spanner... as soon as I had stopped the record, I remembered that programs don't automatically detach from the CLI :) It's been awhile since AmigaOS/AROS was my main OS :p

I should have ¨run¨ the about program :)

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Re: Video: AROS 68K Booting
« Reply #47 on: November 21, 2010, 09:30:47 PM »
What about doing some "relabel dh0: workbench" so that you don't get these "please insert volume workbench" anymore ? ;)

Btw, what are you exactly demonstrating on these videos ?

 - (CBM) WB3.x on AROS ROM, right ?
 

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Re: Video: AROS 68K Booting
« Reply #48 on: November 21, 2010, 09:43:20 PM »
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What about doing some "relabel dh0: workbench" so that you don't get these "please insert volume workbench" anymore ? ;)


Actually the hard drive is called Workbench... no idea why it keeps asking me for the volume... I'm guessing some parts are missing from the DOS library.

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Btw, what are you exactly demonstrating on these videos ?

 - (CBM) WB3.x on AROS ROM, right ?


no, this is all AROS... just waiting on Jason getting everything needed in ROM before we can boot WB3.0 :)

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Re: Video: AROS 68K Booting
« Reply #49 on: November 21, 2010, 10:03:32 PM »
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Actually the hard drive is called Workbench... no idea why it keeps asking me for the volume... I'm guessing some parts are missing from the DOS library.



no, this is all AROS... just waiting on Jason getting everything needed in ROM before we can boot WB3.0 :)

Ok :)

Mind posting your config file somewhere btw ? Wish I could give it a try :)
 

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Re: Video: AROS 68K Booting
« Reply #50 on: November 21, 2010, 10:16:41 PM »
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Ok :)

Mind posting your config file somewhere btw ? Wish I could give it a try :)
I'll upload an archive of my config + roms and disks ASAP :)

But UAE set up as an A1200 + 4meg fast should be able to run the 68k nightly (aros.org/downloads) just fine for you.

Offline wawrzon

Re: Video: AROS 68K Booting
« Reply #51 on: November 22, 2010, 12:38:00 AM »
cool videos. pity i cant dedicate my a4000 to do testing at this stage. who knows, maybe i should get another flash equipped usb controller for another mchine.

btw. pulling windows offscreen works already with aga hid. :) not bad.
 

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Re: Video: AROS 68K Booting
« Reply #52 on: November 22, 2010, 04:41:53 PM »
Maybe there's a broken case sensitive string comparison when it should be case insensitive type of issue so its just complaining that "Workbench" != "workbench".  Look closely to what the requester says and what the info command reports.  

I forget how to show the current "path" of the shell.  It might have an extra workbench: in there. There might be a typo in the startup-sequence or shell startup with the case difference.  It shouldn't matter on a native Amiga file system but could be a problem with an emulated file system where the underlying native file system is case sensitive (unix).
 

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Re: Video: AROS 68K Booting
« Reply #53 on: November 24, 2010, 09:06:42 AM »
Yet another Video... stuff actually works now :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNZYK5byx6c

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Re: Video: AROS 68K Booting
« Reply #54 on: November 24, 2010, 11:26:20 AM »
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Yet another Video... stuff actually works now :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNZYK5byx6c



Nothing like the real AmigaOS.The backporting of Aros to 68k shows how Aros is slow as any other actual operating system, sure it flys on super duper multi GHZ monster but is not as responsiveness as origunal OS on very, very limited hadrware.AmigaOS classic still rules!!!!
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Re: Video: AROS 68K Booting
« Reply #55 on: November 24, 2010, 11:38:15 AM »
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Nothing like the real AmigaOS.The backporting of Aros to 68k shows how Aros is slow as any other actual operating system, sure it flys on super duper multi GHZ monster but is not as responsiveness as origunal OS on very, very limited hadrware.AmigaOS classic still rules!!!!
Yeah, it's dog slow... But remember that this is the quick and dirty hack and slash just to get it running... Both Toni and Jason have a lot more work to do to get it up to speed. Progress has been surprisingly swift!

AROS will always be a bit slower than AmigaOS on basic system, as AmigaOS was written in assembly and AROS in C... But there is a hell of a optimisation that Toni can do on the drivers yet! :)

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Re: Video: AROS 68K Booting
« Reply #56 on: November 24, 2010, 11:38:34 AM »
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Nothing like the real AmigaOS.The backporting of Aros to 68k shows how Aros is slow as any other actual operating system, sure it flys on super duper multi GHZ monster but is not as responsiveness as origunal OS on very, very limited hadrware.AmigaOS classic still rules!!!!

Uh, it seems that you do not realise that no platform-specific optimisations have been made whatsoever at this stage? This is still at the stage of "Wow, the code actually runs without crashing and taking the system down!"
The screen is drawn with thousands of single pixel-pushing function calls, since it is running on a fallback driver, for example. Comparing it to "real AmigaOS" performance at the current stage makes no sense at all. You are just able to see this stage because it is an open source OS. No commercial OS makers would show this stage of early development.
 

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Re: Video: AROS 68K Booting
« Reply #57 on: November 24, 2010, 12:20:01 PM »
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Nothing like the real AmigaOS.The backporting of Aros to 68k shows how Aros is slow as any other actual operating system, sure it flys on super duper multi GHZ monster but is not as responsiveness as origunal OS on very, very limited hadrware.AmigaOS classic still rules!!!!


You've obviously never written a line of hardware bashing code in your life. :sigh:
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Re: Video: AROS 68K Booting
« Reply #58 on: November 24, 2010, 12:27:08 PM »
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AROS will always be a bit slower than AmigaOS on basic system, as AmigaOS was written in assembly and AROS in C...

IIRC only exec and some other libs are written in assembly. Other parts are BCPL or C (like DOS which was rewritten in 2.x)...
 

Offline vidarh

Re: Video: AROS 68K Booting
« Reply #59 on: November 24, 2010, 12:30:22 PM »
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Comparing it to "real AmigaOS" performance at the current stage makes no sense at all.


The funny part is that long term it might be perfectly possibly to make AROS faster than AmigaOS. We can easily build versions with compiler optimizations targeting each individual m68k model, for example. We can draw on years and years of experience with different tradeoffs - such as knowing that on some machines using the CPU will often be far faster than using the blitter.

And as Cosmos has been demonstrating with his patched graphics.library, there's tons of parts of AmigaOS that are not perfectly optimized as is. AROS will let anyone optimize parts of it, starting from a far easier basis (make changes to the C first, fall back on inline asm if/when it makes a difference) and without any copyright issues.

AROS will take a while to reach parity in terms of performance. But long term, it really only depends on to what extent people cares.