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Offline kolla

Re: Video: AROS 68K Booting
« Reply #30 on: November 18, 2010, 05:39:21 PM »
Quote from: little;592839
Why not? Look at the x86 bios

No, please... let's not, look at EFI instead.
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Offline eb15

Re: Video: AROS 68K Booting
« Reply #31 on: November 18, 2010, 05:49:26 PM »
As I see it, AROS boot roms for classic machines should be able to boot from supported USB interfaces, boot from CD or DVD or USB drives, be upgraded to support other file systems and have options for choosing monitor to display on if RTG card is found, etc.
 

Offline little

Re: Video: AROS 68K Booting
« Reply #32 on: November 18, 2010, 05:58:28 PM »
Quote from: Heiroglyph;592845
But Kickstart is way more than just the BIOS, it's also the core of the OS.

Personally I'd like to boot directly into my RTG screen without having to screw with flickerfixers or ancient monitors and you can't do that unless Kickstart includes RTG.
A more simple solution would be to get a "small" HDTV TV, you could connect the amiga RCA video out to one of the composite video in and connect the RTG card to the VGA port, you can get the best of both worlds, what you really need is an adapter that converts the amiga video port to scart or component to get the best screen quality.


Quote from: kolla;592847
No, please... let's not, look at EFI instead.
I prefer OpenBIOS, EFI was created by Intel with the evil intentions of removing the control you have over you own computer and giving it Windows or OSX (or any other closed source OS).

Quote from: eb15;592849
As I see it, AROS boot roms for classic machines should be able to boot from supported USB interfaces, boot from CD or DVD or USB drives, be upgraded to support other file systems, etc.
Booting from CD/DVD/USB sound nice until you ask yourself, what I am goint to boot besides Workbench/Wanderer? Linux and any other OS is dog slow and AROS is getting access to the same apps available in linux. ATM I cannot think of any other OS that would be available to boot in a classic amiga, so why bother.

Booting from other filesystem is not really needed, as I explained you can create a boot partition to access any other installed filesystem.

As I see it, all the hard work that would be required to cram AROS into 512kb can be used in other projects, it should be far easier to place only the real essentials in said AROS rom (that can include RTG, CD/DVD/USB boot, other filesystems) and load anything else from hard disk.

Mhh, maybe the AROS roms should fork into two, one rom for classic amigas so they can run the latest AROS and one for emulators/minimig/natami with the intention of reimplementing the original kickstart (even if it doubles in size to 1 Mb).
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Offline Khephren

Re: Video: AROS 68K Booting
« Reply #33 on: November 18, 2010, 06:31:19 PM »
Well, you could have a version of your workbench bootable, for when you bugger it up, just copy it over. You could take your whole system to a show, just on a disk. You could boot straight into a CD32 game etc Would these things be feasable?

Also, is the ROM hard coded to 512K, could elements of it be powerpacked etc?
 

Offline A1260

Re: Video: AROS 68K Booting
« Reply #34 on: November 18, 2010, 07:29:20 PM »
these new a1200 accelerator cards have a re-kick option from software (supports up to 1MB Kickstart ROM images)

http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=43&products_id=1005

so homemade rom images can come in handy...
 

Offline warpdesign

Re: Video: AROS 68K Booting
« Reply #35 on: November 18, 2010, 08:30:25 PM »
Quote from: kolla;592847
I prefer OpenBIOS, EFI was created by Intel with the evil intentions of removing the control you have over you own computer and giving it Windows or OSX (or any other closed source OS).


What's the difference from a user point of view ?

I don't see any...
 

Offline kolla

Re: Video: AROS 68K Booting
« Reply #36 on: November 18, 2010, 08:33:57 PM »
Quote from: little;592850
I prefer OpenBIOS, EFI was created by Intel with the evil intentions of removing the control you have over you own computer and giving it Windows or OSX (or any other closed source OS).


Sure, that's OpenFirmware - I don't care - just don't look at old PC BIOS.

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Booting from CD/DVD/USB sound nice until you ask yourself, what I am goint to boot besides Workbench/Wanderer?

I don't see the relevance, the point is that you have to boot from something, and with custom kickstart you can decide for yourself what that something can be.

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Linux and any other OS is dog slow and AROS is getting access to the same apps available in linux. ATM I cannot think of any other OS that would be available to boot in a classic amiga, so why bother.


None of that made any sense to me.
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Offline SamuraiCrow

Re: Video: AROS 68K Booting
« Reply #37 on: November 18, 2010, 09:14:30 PM »
Quote from: kolla;592874
None of that made any sense to me.


He was saying that AROS is a natural upgrade path from AmigaOS and Linux isn't because it's slower.
 

Offline Karlos

Re: Video: AROS 68K Booting
« Reply #38 on: November 18, 2010, 09:16:45 PM »
Speaking of which, weren't the debian guys looking at migrating their M68K fork to coldfire?
int p; // A
 

Offline little

Re: Video: AROS 68K Booting
« Reply #39 on: November 18, 2010, 09:55:39 PM »
Quote from: warpdesign;592873
What's the difference from a user point of view ?

I don't see any...

ATM there is none, but their plan it to eventually prevent you from installing free and open operative systems (i.e. linux, aros) using any excuse (like the lack of proper DRM) to justify the need for motherboard manufacturers to install said bios.

If the plan was to simply improve the bios they would have gone with openbios (like apple used to before switching to EFI).
 

Offline eb15

Re: Video: AROS 68K Booting
« Reply #40 on: November 19, 2010, 01:24:18 AM »
Quote from: little;592850

Booting from CD/DVD/USB sound nice until you ask yourself, what I am goint to boot besides Workbench/Wanderer?

Games?  Dedicated Apps?  All the usual suspects that were done before on (often write protected) floppy disks, but with lots more room for content....
 

Offline Heiroglyph

Re: Video: AROS 68K Booting
« Reply #41 on: November 19, 2010, 01:53:21 AM »
Every user that has ever had trouble either finding a bootable Amiga floppy or getting that one extra library onto their 060 or A4000T would love to boot from CD or USB.

Those show up here at least once a week.

How about recovery disk/tool CD that can be legally downloaded from the net and burned on any computer in case your system drive is hosed?

Also, I would have loved to install OS3.9 cleanly without having to install 3.1 plus a bunch of freeware BS just to get the 3.9 install started.

The recovery floppy is a joke even if you do have a high density floppy and does you no good if you only have a blank, non-working Amiga.
 

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Re: Video: AROS 68K Booting
« Reply #42 on: November 21, 2010, 11:32:50 AM »
My second AROS 68K video... oh yeah!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xz1dyXMdtNE

Offline Gulliver

Re: Video: AROS 68K Booting
« Reply #43 on: November 21, 2010, 11:58:04 AM »
Nice video!
At least now it can list files, and has more error requesters, which is a good thing because it shows some progress. :)

Keep the videos coming!
 

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Re: Video: AROS 68K Booting
« Reply #44 on: November 21, 2010, 07:10:40 PM »
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Nice video!
At least now it can list files, and has more error requesters, which is a good thing because it shows some progress. :)

Keep the videos coming!
Nothing very interesting... but some stuff actually working :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0XT-nrkB8s