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Re: First Aros 68k Kickstart boot screen!
« Reply #60 on: November 04, 2010, 10:04:50 AM »
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Using gcc on AmigaOS?
IIRC we had a cross compiler for 68k that produced binaries ppc-morphos target. But very early on we had everything running natively under MorphOS (native ixemul, native GG). Some very early things used SAS/C though.
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Or did you guys use any Mac/PC machines for large builds?
We didn't. Or if we did I didn't pay much attention at that time :)
 

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Re: First Aros 68k Kickstart boot screen!
« Reply #61 on: November 04, 2010, 10:06:13 AM »
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I can't see how they will fit all the things from just a 3.1 level kickstart without using tricks that the 4000T used, like moving Workbench.library to disk. That compiled C code will be bigger in almost every case.

Most of AmigaOS 3.1 is written in C. dos.library was written in BCPL up to 1.3 & converted to C for 2.0 (or even 1.4 beta?)
 
IIRC they used several compilers, one being lattice. Which turned into SAS/C. Back in the gcc 2.95 days I did some benchmarks and the software I tried was quicker with gcc than SAS/C.
 
There are many factors that will influence how large/fast AROS68K runs. It's far too early to even contemplate what it will be like.
 
However CD32/A1200's can have 1mb kickstart, A500/A2000's needs wires added. No idea about A3000/A4000...
 

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Re: First Aros 68k Kickstart boot screen!
« Reply #62 on: November 04, 2010, 10:50:24 AM »
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Because there was no person interested and with enough knowledge. Now such person joined the team and the projected kickstarted ;)


A small correction, if I may:

Because there was no person interested and with enough knowledge and time. Now such person joined the team and the projected kickstarted.

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Re: First Aros 68k Kickstart boot screen!
« Reply #63 on: November 04, 2010, 11:06:22 AM »
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A small correction, if I may:

Because there was no person interested and with enough knowledge and time. Now such person joined the team and the projected kickstarted.

:)
What is nice is that since Jason has push the 68k section forward, other devs have joined in to assist! It really got the ball rolling :)

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Re: First Aros 68k Kickstart boot screen!
« Reply #64 on: November 04, 2010, 01:28:45 PM »
"As for the licence, the modified MPL was chosen so that comercial projects like MOS could use the source code without having to publish their private code. Which is a good thing as it allowed the MOS guys to use and fix te AROS code without giving away their, trade secrets."

Yeah, that sounds very open source to me.

You can still make money with a GPL license. And it would really look more professional and legitimate to allow an object third party to say what the conditions are.

Selling:
http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/selling.html
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Re: First Aros 68k Kickstart boot screen!
« Reply #65 on: November 04, 2010, 01:42:18 PM »
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"As for the licence, the modified MPL was chosen so that comercial projects like MOS could use the source code without having to publish their private code. Which is a good thing as it allowed the MOS guys to use and fix te AROS code without giving away their, trade secrets."

Yeah, that sounds very open source to me.

You can still make money with a GPL license. And it would really look more professional and legitimate to allow an object third party to say what the conditions are.

Selling:
http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/selling.html


The world doesn't revolve around RMS or his licence you know.

In the real world the right tool for the right job is how things work.  Same thing goes for licences too.
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Re: First Aros 68k Kickstart boot screen!
« Reply #66 on: November 04, 2010, 02:07:42 PM »
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"As for the licence, the modified MPL was chosen so that comercial projects like MOS could use the source code without having to publish their private code. Which is a good thing as it allowed the MOS guys to use and fix te AROS code without giving away their, trade secrets."

Yeah, that sounds very open source to me.


I appreciate your use of sarcasm here, but it isn't warranted. The MOS guys returned all the AROS code they used with bug fixes an a few extra features here and there... Without the MPL licence AROS wouldn't have got the bug fixes, full stop... It was a win win.

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You can still make money with a GPL license. And it would really look more professional and legitimate to allow an object third party to say what the conditions are.

Selling:
http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/selling.html


AROS source code is there, you can download it, learn from it, play with it, do what you want... It will always exist in the public view, it will always be there, fork it if you like... I honestly can't see your objections in this regard. Shrug... Why waste your time arguing semantics?

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Re: First Aros 68k Kickstart boot screen!
« Reply #67 on: November 04, 2010, 02:11:53 PM »
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Yeah, that sounds very open source to me.

You can still make money with a GPL license. And it would really look more professional and legitimate to allow an object third party to say what the conditions are.

Selling:
http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/selling.html


You do realize the term "open source" was coined by people that were tired of the GNU zealots and that wanted a more pragmatic approach, don't you?

I'm more concerned about what *I* can do with the code than what other people might do with the code, so to me at least it doesn't matter if someone else releases close source versions that includes some of the source.
 

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Re: First Aros 68k Kickstart boot screen!
« Reply #68 on: November 04, 2010, 02:16:01 PM »
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"As for the licence, the modified MPL was chosen so that comercial projects like MOS could use the source code without having to publish their private code. Which is a good thing as it allowed the MOS guys to use and fix te AROS code without giving away their, trade secrets."

Yeah, that sounds very open source to me.

There are different grades of open source. GPL may be suitable for some projects while it isn't for some others. MorphOS team was happy to collaborate with AROS team on several components, donating the changes back to AROS tree, as specified by the license.
 

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Re: First Aros 68k Kickstart boot screen!
« Reply #69 on: November 04, 2010, 02:24:16 PM »
Well, I don't think the difference is semantic here, plainly. But I'll leave you to your version of "free and open".
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Re: First Aros 68k Kickstart boot screen!
« Reply #70 on: November 04, 2010, 02:25:27 PM »
@ The Goose
 
You are not making any sense.  How is AROS not free and open ?
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Re: First Aros 68k Kickstart boot screen!
« Reply #71 on: November 04, 2010, 02:37:11 PM »
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You can still make money with a GPL license. And it would really look more professional and legitimate to allow an object third party to say what the conditions are.
 
Selling:
http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/selling.html

You're allowed to make money by selling GPL software, that doesn't mean you can make money by selling it. Your first customer can give the source to whoever they want, they can even sell it.
 
GPL is like a parasite. It infiltrates every part of a system while keeping it alive. It seems to work for some software, but only where there is no possible business model & the programmers are prepared to do the work for free.
 

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Re: First Aros 68k Kickstart boot screen!
« Reply #72 on: November 04, 2010, 03:52:08 PM »
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GPL is like a parasite. It infiltrates every part of a system while keeping it alive. It seems to work for some software, but only where there is no possible business model & the programmers are prepared to do the work for free.
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Re: First Aros 68k Kickstart boot screen!
« Reply #73 on: November 04, 2010, 05:58:08 PM »
While the full AROS source tree requires SVN access, Buildable AROS sources are available anonymously through two methods:
1.) nightly source and contrib source code download
2.) Anonymous git repos AROS.git and AROS-Contrib.git at repo.or.cz  

If you want a GPL'd Amiga OS replacement, start writing one.  That's not impossible, Its just a lot of work.  Software licenses like AROS Public License seem to encourage entrepreneurs who think they'll make some money off the work by value adding to them in various ways and being able to keep some things to themselves if they wish for a "competitive advantage in the marketplace", kind of like ...um imica or ares.