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Offline Heiroglyph

First Aros 68k Kickstart boot screen!
« on: November 03, 2010, 04:17:02 AM »
It's FrankenROM (part Aros, part OS3.0) but it's a huge step forward!

http://www.evillabs.net/wiki/index.php/AROS_m68k-amiga

If you haven't donated to the bounty yet, give this guy a boost!
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Offline Iggy

Re: First Aros 68k Kickstart boot screen!
« Reply #1 on: November 03, 2010, 04:23:06 AM »
I still don't understand why you guys want this. AROS was originally designed to be an open sorced re-implementation of WB3.1.
AROS still hasn't been polished enough to br released as a 1.0 package.
If ported to a 68K its likely to be slower and buggier than what you currently use.

Are copyright concerns that significant that it makes sense to expend so much energy just to realize what you already have?
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Offline Heiroglyph

Re: First Aros 68k Kickstart boot screen!
« Reply #2 on: November 03, 2010, 04:34:47 AM »
Because once we have an open source kickstart replacement we're no longer tied to several companies that have abandoned the 68k platform.

We can fix bugs in the ROM and add new features as needed.  060 libraries, CDRom boot, etc.

Most of the 3.x OS problems are already solved on Aros, a video driver SDK for example.

Mini-Mig, NatAmi, WinUAE and others can create and sell compatible systems without legal problems.

This is nothing but a huge benefit to the community.
 

Offline kolla

Re: First Aros 68k Kickstart boot screen!
« Reply #3 on: November 03, 2010, 04:47:52 AM »
Quote from: Iggy;588940
AROS still hasn't been polished enough to br released as a 1.0 package.
Says who? I've certainly seen worse - it's for sure a heck lot better shape than Amiga OS 1.0.

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If ported to a 68K its likely to be slower and buggier than what you currently use.
I do not see why you think this - CBM developers were magicians? You think gcc cannot compile efficient m68k binaries?

At least with AROS bugs can be more easily be fixed, efficiency be improved, without all the hassle needed for tweaking original AmigaOS.

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Are copyright concerns that significant that it makes sense to expend so much energy just to realize what you already have?
Consider this - one of the big contributers to the m68k kickstart bounty is Cloanto. And people are ofcourse allowed to spend energy on whatever they feel like, the people mostly involved in the m68k port are "new" in AROS context, it's not like this is pulling lots of resources from the rest of the project.

And lastly, I can't help thinking that someone will eventually get AROS running natively on Atari ST and Falcon as well, which would be quite awesome :laughing:
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Offline fishy_fiz

Re: First Aros 68k Kickstart boot screen!
« Reply #4 on: November 03, 2010, 04:59:05 AM »
Quote from: Iggy;588940
I still don't understand why you guys want this. AROS was originally designed to be an open sorced re-implementation of WB3.1.
AROS still hasn't been polished enough to br released as a 1.0 package.
If ported to a 68K its likely to be slower and buggier than what you currently use.

Are copyright concerns that significant that it makes sense to expend so much energy just to realize what you already have?


Firstly, the people involved in 68k AROS/kickstart replacement werent working on AROS prior to this bounty, so no resources are lost. Also having AROS run on a real 68k Amiga will help greatly in improving api compatibility for other architectures as well as helping with bug fixing. There's also things like minimig, natami, and variations on UAE that benefit. Additionally it can help with UAE intergration in non 68k targets without the need for commercial ROM images. There's a lot of benefits it brings to both AROS and Amiga OS. I don't really understand how people think otherwise.

Oh, and cool stuff in regards to the original post/first screenshot :)
« Last Edit: November 03, 2010, 05:07:02 AM by fishy_fiz »
Near as I can tell this is where I write something under the guise of being innocuous, but really its a pot shot at another persons/peoples choice of Amiga based systems. Unfortunately only I cant see how transparent and petty it makes me look.
 

Offline commodorejohn

Re: First Aros 68k Kickstart boot screen!
« Reply #5 on: November 03, 2010, 05:31:22 AM »
Quote from: Iggy;588940
AROS still hasn't been polished enough to br released as a 1.0 package. If ported to a 68K its likely to be slower and buggier than what you currently use.
The other points people have made being well covered, I'd just like to know why you would wait until a 1.0 release (typically a major milestone in open-source projects, and long past the point of basic usability) before providing support for the nominal target platform?

And slower, maybe, but buggier? If anything, the Amiga is likely to be less buggy, as there's a more intuitive architecture (both CPU and hardware) and less extreme variations in setup than on an x86 or even PPC machine.

Quote from: kolla;588943
You think gcc cannot compile efficient m68k binaries?
GCC can't compile efficient anything binaries; what it can do is compile consistently usable binaries on all platforms ;)

Anyway, spiffariffic! I'm not an AROS partisan, but anything that gets 68k Amigas further away from the giant rights tangle-up is okay by me :) Could use a different splash screen, though; I never did care much for the KS2-3 one anyway.
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Offline Heiroglyph

Re: First Aros 68k Kickstart boot screen!
« Reply #6 on: November 03, 2010, 05:41:35 AM »
Quote from: commodorejohn;588947
GCC can't compile efficient anything binaries; what it can do is compile consistently usable binaries on all platforms ;)


Very true, gcc's claim to fame is just availability.

There's nothing to stop someone from hand optimizing the code where needed though.

It's still far easier than writing the whole Kickstart in assembly, especially when you have the source code available as a reference.
 

Offline LoadWB

Re: First Aros 68k Kickstart boot screen!
« Reply #7 on: November 03, 2010, 05:41:49 AM »
Quote from: commodorejohn;588947
Could use a different splash screen, though; I never did care much for the KS2-3 one anyway.


I vote for a bouncing Boing Ball, or the Juggler.
 

Offline kolla

Re: First Aros 68k Kickstart boot screen!
« Reply #8 on: November 03, 2010, 05:57:12 AM »
No more silly boing balls please - I very much perfer the one and only true Amiga logo - the checkmark - which btw is free for anyone to use, since none of the Amiga copyright/IP holders cared about it.
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Offline Heiroglyph

Re: First Aros 68k Kickstart boot screen!
« Reply #9 on: November 03, 2010, 06:03:38 AM »
I have a very bad feeling that it will be a sexy animal.

I can appreciate the artwork, but it's not what I want for a boot logo.
 

Offline kolla

Re: First Aros 68k Kickstart boot screen!
« Reply #10 on: November 03, 2010, 06:09:48 AM »
Use the checkmark for AROS/m68k I'd say (again).

In time, who knows - maybe one can put out AROS based Amiga OS 3.10 and 3.11 (for workgroups) :lol:
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Offline Manu

Re: First Aros 68k Kickstart boot screen!
« Reply #11 on: November 03, 2010, 06:35:11 AM »
Great screenshot ! AROS is "home" ;-P
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Offline warpdesign

Re: First Aros 68k Kickstart boot screen!
« Reply #12 on: November 03, 2010, 08:39:42 AM »
Nice !

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Mini-Mig, NatAmi, WinUAE and others can create and sell compatible systems without legal problems.

That's the more important I guess.

Not to mention replacing Amiga modules by AROS modules will help to track and fix AROS bugs, that will benefit for the main AROS "distribution" too.

If I understood correctly FrankenROM is made of an Amiga kickstart with some libs replaced with AROS ones ? Currently only AROS exec, right ?

What's the next step ? :)
 

Offline Belial6

Re: First Aros 68k Kickstart boot screen!
« Reply #13 on: November 03, 2010, 08:44:34 AM »
I don't know why you would worry about 'a sexy animal'.  It's not like someone is going to put graphic genitalia on it.  The Kitty pictures that have been used for AROS are no more graphic than what you would find on a Saturday morning cartoon.  It is far less sexual than the stuff you would find in childrens movies like Shrek 2 or Happy Feet.
 

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Re: First Aros 68k Kickstart boot screen!
« Reply #14 on: November 03, 2010, 09:38:03 AM »
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Originally Posted by commodorejohn  
Could use a different splash screen, though; I never did care much for the KS2-3 one anyway.

I vote for a bouncing Boing Ball, or the Juggler.


Guys!!! It's AROS, it's open source... you can have whatever boot screen you like :)

I've waited 10 years to see this. So I'm pretty pleased.

Toni Willen (of UAE fame) has joined the project to help with hardware support, so soon we will have a totally free, UAE... no illegal/grey ROMs needed... Also AROS can be tailored to fit UAE better (more direct hardware control)... only good things can come from this.