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Re: Amiga brand name for sale
« Reply #30 on: November 02, 2010, 01:09:02 AM »
This is like a dog in heat on Pluto. He wants something but due to environmental circumstances he won't get it.
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Re: Amiga brand name for sale
« Reply #31 on: November 02, 2010, 02:00:03 AM »
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Copyright for what? They lost the right to do anything with AmigaOS. So far as I'm aware, they never attempted to get any of the IP for the old commodore chipsets.

One that doesn't have much of an alternative. Hyperion has the OS, and the Amiga community absolutely savaged him. The brand whist it's in either McBill's or Barrys hands is toxic.


Who owns the IP for the chipsets?  And I thought it was clear that earlier OS was not owned by Hyperion anyway, but that's precisely what AInc wants to keep.  Not everyone is anti-Hyperion, BTW -- there certainly are some very vocal folks that are!
 

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Re: Amiga brand name for sale
« Reply #32 on: November 02, 2010, 02:08:39 AM »
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Who owns the IP for the chipsets?


Gateway2000, probably.

But really, at this late stage, who cares? All of the released C='s chipsets have been reverse engineered to the point where serviceable emulations exist both in software and on FPGA's. The IP for the chipsets is utterly worthless.

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 And I thought it was clear that earlier OS was not owned by Hyperion anyway


Doesn't matter. The court settlement forbids Amiga.Inc from going anywhere near AmigaOS, or even AROS for that matter. Anyone they licence the name to would likely also be forbidden from doing so either.

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Not everyone is anti-Hyperion, BTW


No wai, really?! Gosh darn, and here I am, having been on this site since before the great reboot and I never guessed!

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 -- there certainly are some very vocal folks that are!


With damn good reason too.

By Savaged, I was referring to Barry.
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Re: Amiga brand name for sale
« Reply #33 on: November 02, 2010, 03:14:36 AM »
If Hyperion is the only party that can market AmigaOS and CUSA has the right to sell Amiga Computers, what's Bill selling exactly?
Am I the only one that's confused.
Does anyone else have the nerve to call Barry? I've been through that and I'm not doing it again.

WTF does Bill think he has to sell? He never produced anything.
The name has swapped between multiple corporations (anyone remember KMOS?).
The IP has never really been his to control and the hardware patents (which are no longer valid) are probably still owned by Gateway2000 (which of course no longer exists).

And the big question. Who is going to be dumb enough to pay for a name w/o IP content?
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Re: Amiga brand name for sale
« Reply #34 on: November 02, 2010, 03:29:51 AM »
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The court settlement forbids Amiga.Inc from going anywhere near AmigaOS, or even AROS for that matter. Anyone they licence the name to would likely also be forbidden from doing so either.

Perhaps C-USA will buy the Amiga name outright and use AROS with impunity.
 

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Re: Amiga brand name for sale
« Reply #35 on: November 02, 2010, 03:36:33 AM »
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Perhaps C-USA will buy the Amiga name outright and use AROS with impunity.


Barry's not happy with AROS. However, he would be one possible buyer (no I'm not kidding, Altman is serious).
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Re: Amiga brand name for sale
« Reply #36 on: November 02, 2010, 03:40:50 AM »
Even in its heyday the Amiga platform wasnt a major player in the computing world (compared to, the C64 for example).  Most computer history books barely reference the Amiga platform and those that do spare maybe a page of generic information.  15+ years after the parent Co's demise, people who used the platform for more than games (a subset of the Amiga userbase) might retain some interest, but the rest of the world doesnt even know it existed.

Anyone willing to pay more than a few quid for an obscure brand needs to wonder "why?"
 

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Re: Amiga brand name for sale
« Reply #37 on: November 02, 2010, 03:47:54 AM »
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Perhaps C-USA will buy the Amiga name outright and use AROS with impunity.


They couldn't though. The settlement stated clearly that Amiga.inc were forbidden from producing an AmigaOS or Amiga-like OS of their own. If Barry licences the name or buys out AI, they would be bound by that settlement also.
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Re: Amiga brand name for sale
« Reply #38 on: November 02, 2010, 03:54:51 AM »
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Even in its heyday the Amiga platform wasnt a major player in the computing world (compared to, the C64 for example).  Most computer history books barely reference the Amiga platform and those that do spare maybe a page of generic information.  15+ years after the parent Co's demise, people who used the platform for more than games (a subset of the Amiga userbase) might retain some interest, but the rest of the world doesnt even know it existed.

Anyone willing to pay more than a few quid for an obscure brand needs to wonder "why?"


Couldn't disagree with you more on that, why would the Amiga be voted in at no 7 in the top 25 greatest computers of all time, when the poll was held by a company who only sell PCs. If the rest of the world didn't know about it, then how did they vote for it... :confused:

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Re: Amiga brand name for sale
« Reply #39 on: November 02, 2010, 04:33:55 AM »
Top 25 computers as voted by computer enthusiasts.  
Including such memorable products as:

#3. Xerox 8010 Information System (1981)

Not really a guage of mainstream appeal.
 

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Re: Amiga brand name for sale
« Reply #40 on: November 02, 2010, 04:35:28 AM »
Quote from: coldfish;588683
Even in its heyday the Amiga platform wasnt a major player in the computing world (compared to, the C64 for example).  Most computer history books barely reference the Amiga platform and those that do spare maybe a page of generic information.  15+ years after the parent Co's demise, people who used the platform for more than games (a subset of the Amiga userbase) might retain some interest, but the rest of the world doesnt even know it existed.

Anyone willing to pay more than a few quid for an obscure brand needs to wonder "why?"


Its funny because Ive seen estimates that the amiga was rivalling Apple market share for a short while. BUt history is written by the victors I suppose
 

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Re: Amiga brand name for sale
« Reply #41 on: November 02, 2010, 06:03:05 AM »
Thats right, history -is- written by the victors.

So in that context and given that branding is a tool for generating revenue through product sales, the value of the Amiga brand at present has got to be pretty low.
 

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Re: Amiga brand name for sale
« Reply #42 on: November 02, 2010, 06:04:08 AM »
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Thats right, history -is- written by the victors.

So in that context and given that branding is a tool for generating revenue through product sales, the value of the Amiga brand at present has got to be pretty low.


yeah, I can't imagine there's much monetary value involved here
 

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Re: Amiga brand name for sale
« Reply #43 on: November 02, 2010, 01:26:25 PM »
The domain name has value, it means female friend in Portuguese and Spanish.  Our friends, the illustrious Spanish Lesbians want it.  There are others.  Dating site?  Pr0n site? Women's interest site?  It's one of those things that could bring upwards of €500,000 to the right buyer, perhaps more.  One word generic dot com domain names are valuable...

There are anywhere from 350 to 500 million spanish speakers and 150 to 240 million portuguese speakers.....
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Re: Amiga brand name for sale
« Reply #44 on: November 02, 2010, 01:37:58 PM »
@persia

...and thats a lot of porn.