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Offline the_leander

Re: Another Retro Computer returns from the ashes
« Reply #30 on: June 26, 2010, 12:11:16 AM »
Quote from: Gulliver;567283
Do not atempt to infringe damage on our OS4 sect!

We will pursue and destroy all non believers.

X-1000 is the next coming of our saviour

This is the only true religion, world domination is just around the corner!


Now seriously, is the RiscOS port on the beagleboard mature enough? It sounds really interesting.


If you read the article it says that like OS4 for the X1000 the public showing of this was the first time they got it going.

So almost certainly not ready for prime time.
Blessed Be,
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Offline takemehomegrandma

Re: Another Retro Computer returns from the ashes
« Reply #31 on: June 26, 2010, 12:19:15 PM »
Quote from: the_leander;567180
This one is for my fellow Brits: RISC OS returns on new cheap hardware.

Still early days of course, but the specs are interesting:

720MHz ARM CPU
PowerVR graphics
256Mb of RAM onboard
Ultra small form factor (nano itx or thereabouts).
RISC OS5

Price? £120

Hmm, anyone else here something that sounded like the pin being pulled on a grenade just then? ;)


:)

For just a little more money you can get this "Smarttop":



The specifications are as follows:

Freescale i.MX515 (ARM Cortex-A8 800MHz)
3D Graphics Processing Unit
WXGA display support (HDMI)
Multi-format HD video decoder and D1 video encoder
512MB RAM
4GB Internal SSD
802.11 b/g/n WiFi
Bluetooth
SDHC card reader
2x USB 2.0 ports
Audio jacks for headset
Built-in speaker

As something to refer to, I think it will actually kick some "Sam" butt performance wise!

There is also a "Smartbook" (Netbook based on ARM) that is built on the same SoC.

Video: See the Smartbook running! :)

These products are the result of a cooperation between Genesi and Pegatron (think ASUS), and they will be mass produced. Genesi is currently building markets for these in numerous developing countries, like in El Salvador, where the Efika MX will be sold as "mobile phone" (bundled with a subscription plan). You can do cool things with this and built in GSM and GPS. :)

Target price for the Smartbook is around ~$300
Target price for the Smarttop is around ~$200 (only ~£13 more than the above mentioned Beagle board). You can actually buy it now already, not mass produced, for $250.

And yes, I think there might be a RISC OS port coming...

:)
MorphOS is Amiga done right! :)
 

Offline the_leander

Re: Another Retro Computer returns from the ashes
« Reply #32 on: June 26, 2010, 12:50:04 PM »
Quote from: takemehomegrandma;567362
:)

Target price for the Smarttop is around ~$200 (only ~£13 more than the above mentioned Beagle board).


The quoted price in the article is $149 and I've seen them cheaper than that online.

Otherwise, nice bit of kit (in terms of price, spec and form) you and Dammy have both pointed to!
Blessed Be,
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Offline the_leander

Re: Another Retro Computer returns from the ashes
« Reply #33 on: October 28, 2010, 12:02:25 PM »
Holy thread necromancy!

Quote from: Varthall;567220
Interesting stuff. I won't ditch my 1GHz AmigaOne for a 720MHz machine, though, whatever the price.


Very well sir, I accept your challenge!

I see your 1Ghz A1, and raise you (drumroll please)

The Pandaboard!

Complete with dualcore ARM A9 1Ghz cpu, 1Gb of Ram and a display chip capable of outputting 1080p

All for $174 + shipping!

Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go find something to mop up this puddle of drool.
Blessed Be,
Alan Fisher - the_leander

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Offline Plaz

Re: Another Retro Computer returns from the ashes
« Reply #34 on: October 28, 2010, 12:51:02 PM »
Now that has potential... drat, out of stock at the moment....

http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?site=us&keywords=UEVM4430F-01-00-00-ND

Plaz
 

Offline Iggy

Re: Another Retro Computer returns from the ashes
« Reply #35 on: October 28, 2010, 01:19:27 PM »
Quote from: the_leander;587631
Holy thread necromancy!



Very well sir, I accept your challenge!

I see your 1Ghz A1, and raise you (drumroll please)

The Pandaboard!

Complete with dualcore ARM A9 1Ghz cpu, 1Gb of Ram and a display chip capable of outputting 1080p

All for $174 + shipping!

Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go find something to mop up this puddle of drool.

OK, I was willing to ignore this thread up to this point, but that one really does turn my head!
Anyone have raw performance number for this (or the processor)?
Also, where can you actually get one and what OS' are available for it?
« Last Edit: October 28, 2010, 01:21:35 PM by Iggy »
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Offline Hattig

Re: Another Retro Computer returns from the ashes
« Reply #36 on: October 28, 2010, 01:27:10 PM »
The ARM Cortex A9 can get 2.5 DMIPS/MHz, so a dual 1GHz board can get 5000 DMIPS. It's an out-of-order core as well. It should compete quite well on a per clock basis with a G4, and then you have to consider that there are two cores as well.

Shame that Hyperion probably won't port AmigaOS 4.1 to ARM though. Advances ARM SoCs would bring the cost of entry down massively.
 

Offline Hammer

Re: Another Retro Computer returns from the ashes
« Reply #37 on: October 28, 2010, 01:31:16 PM »
The X86 PC is the ultimate retro computer i.e. still running 1970s CISC** ISA and ancient BIOS.


**Translated to internal RISCy ISA.
« Last Edit: October 28, 2010, 01:33:20 PM by Hammer »
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Offline persia

Re: Another Retro Computer returns from the ashes
« Reply #38 on: October 28, 2010, 02:00:13 PM »
Can't we get OS4 to one of these? This is the price point Hyperion should be aiming for.
« Last Edit: October 28, 2010, 02:06:25 PM by persia »
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Offline EDanaII

Re: Another Retro Computer returns from the ashes
« Reply #39 on: October 28, 2010, 02:24:35 PM »
Quote from: drHirudo;567197
Why do you care how I spend MY money?


No offense, but... we don't care how you spend your money. We care how we spend OUR money and 1,500$ for cost of ownership is too much. I'd love to invest in Amiga again, but not at that price. I just invested in a MorphOS machine a 300$. A much more reasonable price.

Two cents.
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Offline Fransexy_

Re: Another Retro Computer returns from the ashes
« Reply #40 on: October 28, 2010, 02:52:37 PM »
Quote from: Crom00;567190
Compared to $1500 pounds that Amiga will cost you....

OUCH...that stings.

Quote from: the_leander;587631
Holy thread necromancy!



Very well sir, I accept your challenge!

I see your 1Ghz A1, and raise you (drumroll please)

The Pandaboard!

Complete with dualcore ARM A9 1Ghz cpu, 1Gb of Ram and a display chip capable of outputting 1080p

All for $174 + shipping!

Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go find something to mop up this puddle of drool.

Quote from: the_leander;567201
I don't think he meant it that way - I think he was simply comparing this over the X1000. Something I should point out the article does too.

Quote from: EDanaII;587653
No offense, but... we don't care how you spend your money. We care how we spend OUR money and 1,500$ for cost of ownership is too much. I'd love to invest in Amiga again, but not at that price. I just invested in a MorphOS machine a 300$. A much more reasonable price.

Two cents.


Are you comparing the price of a motherboard alone to the price of a complete system with case, and with PCI-e, PCI, XORRO, SATA, IDE that the other do not have?

Are you comparing (EDanaII) the price of a second hand with new hardware?

Well why do not we compare Kilometres with liters for that matter? *rolling eyes*
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Offline Hattig

Re: Another Retro Computer returns from the ashes
« Reply #41 on: October 28, 2010, 02:57:42 PM »
Quote from: Hammer;587646
The X86 PC is the ultimate retro computer i.e. still running 1970s CISC** ISA and ancient BIOS.
**Translated to internal RISCy ISA.


64-bit x86 is far more amenable though. You could think of the instruction encoding as being crufty with the prefix bytes, but otherwise it's mostly orthogonal, 16 registers, etc.
 

Offline EDanaII

Re: Another Retro Computer returns from the ashes
« Reply #42 on: October 28, 2010, 02:59:41 PM »
@ FranSexy

No, dude, I was comparing cost of ownership to cost of ownership. Which is the bottom line for many of us here.
Ed.
 

Offline Fransexy_

Re: Another Retro Computer returns from the ashes
« Reply #43 on: October 28, 2010, 03:00:24 PM »
Futhermore, you are comparing the Price of a Cpu used on a devices (mobile phones) that only the last 2 years sold more units that computers in all the history of the personal computers
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Offline Fransexy_

Re: Another Retro Computer returns from the ashes
« Reply #44 on: October 28, 2010, 03:02:13 PM »
Quote from: EDanaII;587658
@ FranSexy

No, dude, I was comparing cost of ownership to cost of ownership. Which is the bottom line for many of us here.


Then, You can buy only the cpu and it will be more cheap and you own it *rolling eyes*
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