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Offline koshman

Re: Bastards!!!
« Reply #30 on: March 31, 2010, 05:45:44 AM »
I don't see the big deal. It IS a gaming machine. Some people are pissed (all 3 of them), I get it, but this shouldn't really come as a surprise - every company does things like that - it reminds of Apple most of all.
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Offline Tenacious

Re: Bastards!!!
« Reply #31 on: March 31, 2010, 05:53:09 AM »
Just for S & Gs, what are the latest available alternative OSes for the PS3?  I installed Xubutu 7.10 last year on mine and was underwelmed by performance.

The stock OS was more responsive (the browser STUNK, though) and cooler.  I'm not a gamer, I've only kept the thing around to play Blu Rays and some of the few other compatible media.
 

Offline kolla

Re: Bastards!!!
« Reply #32 on: March 31, 2010, 06:15:00 AM »
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I don't see the big deal. It IS a gaming machine. Some people are pissed (all 3 of them), I get it, but this shouldn't really come as a surprise - every company does things like that - it reminds of Apple most of all.


Another one that misses the point, and I can't really remember Apple pulling a stunt like this.
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Offline Trev

Re: Bastards!!!
« Reply #33 on: March 31, 2010, 06:21:41 AM »
I use my PS3 primarily as a Blu-Ray player, but I'm sure Sony will kill that feature eventually as well. ;-) (And in the United States, the PS3 is heavily marketed as a Blu-Ray player. Of course, most salesmen will tell you that it can't be better than X dedicated Blu-Ray player, but that's mostly perception. Most people won't have their displays tuned to the point that it makes a difference. The image is awesome on my 55" Samsung 8500.)

A number of universities and governments use PS3s for analytical computing, but with mainstream x64 processors coming with 8, 12, and more cores, and mainstream graphics cards carrying hundreds of stream processors, the Cell (as it exists in the PS3) isn't much of a win apart from the price.
 

Offline kolla

Re: Bastards!!!
« Reply #34 on: March 31, 2010, 06:24:06 AM »
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Wwhat are the latest available alternative OSes for the PS3?
Any PowerPC Linux will do, as long as you have a kernel suited for PS3, I used Gentoo with certain stuff buildt from a PS3 overlay and git.

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I installed Xubutu 7.10 last year on mine and was underwelmed by performance.
Exacly, it's not really suited for general purpose without any support from the GPU. The SPEs need dedicated code, there is little or close to none such code that is of much interest for "most users".

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The stock OS was more responsive (the browser STUNK, though) and cooler.  I'm not a gamer, I've only kept the thing around to play Blu Rays and some of the few other compatible media.


The most bloated, uncapable and power draining media center you can pick. :laughing:
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Offline Arkhan

Re: Bastards!!!
« Reply #35 on: March 31, 2010, 06:32:39 AM »
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A number of universities and governments use PS3s for analytical computing, but with mainstream x64 processors coming with 8, 12, and more cores, and mainstream graphics cards carrying hundreds of stream processors, the Cell (as it exists in the PS3) isn't much of a win apart from the price.


and with the cost of tuition, its not like the price really matters :D :hammer:
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Offline Tenacious

Re: Bastards!!!
« Reply #36 on: March 31, 2010, 06:48:43 AM »
Thanks Kolla

I haven't updated my PS3 for a long time.  I am currently DLing Update version 3.15, supposedly the last before 3.21 (in which the feature is eliminated) to my Mac.  When I get confirmation that there is nothing squirelly about it, I might update one last time.  Who knows, maybe YellowDog or some future OS will be worthwhile.
 

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Re: Bastards!!!
« Reply #37 on: March 31, 2010, 09:18:39 AM »
Vote with your wallets.

I reject the idea that once I buy a piece of electronics, I am somehow not the owner of that piece of electronics and able to do with it as I please.
 

Offline koshman

Re: Bastards!!!
« Reply #38 on: March 31, 2010, 10:19:28 AM »
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Another one that misses the point, and I can't really remember Apple pulling a stunt like this.


It's a bad thing that the manufacturer disables some functions that you took as a bonus at the time of purchase (and which few people based their purchase decision on). It's a bad thing that they don't let you decide what functions should the device support or not ta da da da etc. etc. etc. Now seriously - it's Sony, they are famous for their proprietary crap and for doing things their own (bad) way, so did we know this was coming? Of course! Did you believe their advertising that the PS3 was a full blown computer etc.? From what I hear (and read here) installing alternative OSs on it has always been an interesting possibility at best, a useless gimmick at worst. If you or anybody else bought a PS3 as an ultimate can-do-everything device, your naivity knows no bounds. Again - is what they did bad? Sure it is, and maybe worth sueing them over it. Is it such a big deal that I would call anybody a bastard for it? No way. I've seen 5 more interesting and shocking news stories than this in the last half an hour....
Sony are Sony, I wouldn't trust them, but they make awesome gaming devices that's what I would (and am thinking of) buying the PS3 for.
So yeah, it is bad, but if this is the worst of our problems.....
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Re: Bastards!!!
« Reply #39 on: March 31, 2010, 10:45:46 AM »
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True, but I think this is the first time they've actually removed a feature that they were previously using as a selling point.
 
Plus the fact that we wont be allowed to play online without "updating" really is a pisser.

apart from hardware ps2 compatibility and then software ps2 compatibility
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Offline Tension

Re: Bastards!!!
« Reply #40 on: March 31, 2010, 10:51:16 AM »
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apart from hardware ps2 compatibility and then software ps2 compatibility


That's not the same.

When I bought my PS3 I knew those features had already been removed due to cost cutting.

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Re: Bastards!!!
« Reply #41 on: March 31, 2010, 11:32:30 AM »
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So what if Sony dictates what can or can't be done on its machine?

I have an objection to this kind of attitude by the big companies, to be honest.  The thing is, it was their machine, when it was in the store.  But as soon as I purchase it, it becomes my machine.  And I should be able to choose what I want to do with it.

I don't actually have a PS3 so I'm not affected by this particular decision, but I did make the mistake of buying an iPhone which, I've discovered, is not my iPhone after all.  I paid for it in good faith, but it's actually Apple's iPhone, not mine.  If it were mine, I could decide what applications I wanted to run on it.  Instead, Apple tell me what applications I'm allowed to run on it, and which functions I can use and how I can use them.  But not to worry, it's just a phone, right? So all I should be concerned about is using the phone features and not whether I'm allowed to use the Bluetooth hardware? Yeah, right.  That's certainly the attitude I should be adopting if I go by your "it's just a games console" opinion.  But the reality is, the iPhone is a lot more than a mobile phone and I want to use it as such.  Just like the PS3 is a lot more than a Games Console.

So yeah, I view this move by Sony as the very same thing Apple is doing with their iPhones.  I'm not shedding tears or getting dramatic, there certainly are bigger problems in the world, no doubt about that, but that doesn't mean I have to approve of it :)

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Offline Arkhan

Re: Bastards!!!
« Reply #42 on: March 31, 2010, 11:42:50 AM »
its probably a good thing anyways.

Now it can focus on being gaming hardware, which is more logical, and practical....

theres too many reasons to list why.
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Offline mikeymike

Re: Bastards!!!
« Reply #43 on: March 31, 2010, 12:17:57 PM »
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Well, that's what happens when you buy proprietary hardware/software from the same vendor


Yeah, bastards!

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Offline Karlos

Re: Bastards!!!
« Reply #44 on: March 31, 2010, 12:41:31 PM »
But are they inglorious?
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