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Offline tokyoracer

Re: Why do people believe the advertising?
« Reply #15 on: March 28, 2010, 01:47:06 PM »
Am I alone just thinking is funny for Windoze haters to find it so hard to complain about 7 that they are having to resort to a "fault" with it's name?
Why cant people face the facts and say it's a decent OS, just like XP was, NT (Sever 2003 and 2000)?
I felt like posting my views on "Windows is buggy, lets buy a mac" topic but alot of the comments where so daft I didn't see the justification to put some common sence on there.
Simple answer is Windows is only as good as the person who installs it (With the exception of 98 and ME). Mac's are far from perfect if you ask me, not bad machines at all but these days there's fewer reasons why you would buy one of them over a PC partly thanks to it's Intel CPU.
 

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Re: Why do people believe the advertising?
« Reply #16 on: March 28, 2010, 01:53:00 PM »
Microsoft have done their marketing very well.   Bag the old OS and pump the new.
There is bugga all difference in speed in "real terms" between XP SP3, Vista SP2 and Win 7.
In my mind there is bugga all OS difference between Vista and 7.
In 7's advertising they continue to mention features that are came out in Vista.
I saw a review of the new resource monitor capabilities of Windows 7 on a technology review site. All the features it pushed were available on Vista.

Actually I heard a rumour that sometimes Windows 7's accellerator can get stuck and it's brakes can feel kind of "funny". I think Micro$oft better apologise and do a recall.  LOL.

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« Last Edit: March 28, 2010, 01:55:06 PM by gertsy »
 

Offline pyrre

Re: Why do people believe the advertising?
« Reply #17 on: March 28, 2010, 02:47:54 PM »
Quote from: mdv2000;549978
Okay, ever since I been seeing the stupid "Windows 7 was my idea " crap - I just can't keep quiet anymore.

So here goes - here is the primary version of Windows we have seen:

1.) Windows 1.0
2.) Windows 2.0
3.) Windows 3.0 (3.11 for workgroups more common one seen)
41.) Windows 95
5.) Windows 98
6.) Windows ME (Millennium)
7.) Windows 2000
8.) Windows XP
9.) Windows Vista

Now Windows 7 - but its the 10th version of Windows.  (I am not even counting Windows NT editions - versions that you couldn't get on low end Dells, HP, Gateway or Server Editions - But the 9 I listed where ALL marketed as versions of windows and sold as "New OS" when released.  So what the hell gives?  Why hasn't everyone call MS on this crap marketing lie?

And don't get me its the 7th unique Build crap - I guaran-damn-tee there is still windows 1.0 source code somewhere in Windows "7".

Just had to get that off my chest while writing this on my Amiga 939 (That's what I call my Dual Core AMD-939 - if MS can make up a number/name why can't I?)

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If you have a look http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_windows you will see how windows versions are.

Windows 1 and 2 are the first generation.

Windows 3 is the second generation.

Windows 95, 98 and ME is the third generation.

(parallel is the NT series of windows, and ME is the first attempt to "merge" NT and desktop os.)

Windows 2000 is "counted" as the fourth generation, even though it never was intended as a home desktop OS. but it became one of the most popular OS from Microsoft of all time.

Windows XP is the fifth generation.

But here comes the disagreement.

Vista and windows 7

It is claimed that 7 is a different series than vista. New kernal  and core.
Others claim it to be the same as Vista.

Microsoft self claims it to be the seventh generation of Windows OS.

and here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_versions you see another list of the windows series.

EDIT: editing some typos
« Last Edit: March 28, 2010, 03:06:27 PM by pyrre »
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Offline Hell Labs

Re: Why do people believe the advertising?
« Reply #18 on: March 28, 2010, 03:12:57 PM »
Quote from: tokyoracer;550026
Am I alone just thinking is funny for Windoze haters to find it so hard to complain about 7 that they are having to resort to a "fault" with it's name?
Why cant people face the facts and say it's a decent OS, just like XP was, NT (Sever 2003 and 2000)?

I'd say it's gotten worse. The only practical difference between windows 7 and windows XP is the system requrements.

"wow it looks shiny! Are there any new features I will find useful?"

"errm... Windows 7 was your idea? DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS BING BING ******* MURDER GOOGLE GRAHSSASJIDSJKDJKDSNJKDSJDNKJDJKNDSJKDS"
« Last Edit: March 28, 2010, 05:37:49 PM by Karlos »
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Offline Boudicca

Re: Why do people believe the advertising?
« Reply #19 on: March 28, 2010, 05:04:48 PM »
Quote from: Hell Labs;550036
I'd say it's gotten worse. The only practical difference between windows 7 and windows XP is the system requrements.

"wow it looks shiny! Are there any new features I will find useful?"

"errm... Windows 7 was your idea? DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS BING BING ******** MURDER GOOGLE GRAHSSASJIDSJKDJKDSNJKDSJDNKJDJKNDSJKDS"

Ah that facebook factor strikes again.....Sorry HellLabs you might be a lovely in real life, but drop the caps and drop that attitude, I don't post on here for you to continuously spurt diatribes and pointless swearing. At less have the decency to * out the U......rant mode off....


PS Don't fire back I won't respond....back to LFC v Sunderland
« Last Edit: March 28, 2010, 05:38:19 PM by Karlos »
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Offline whabang

Re: Why do people believe the advertising?
« Reply #20 on: March 28, 2010, 06:37:05 PM »
Quote from: Hell Labs;550036

"wow it looks shiny! Are there any new features I will find useful?"


Actually, you bet there is!

Compared to XP, there are tonnes of useful functions in Windows 7. Compared to Vista, not that much, but at least Win7's working properly before SP2. ;-)
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Offline LoadWB

Re: Why do people believe the advertising?
« Reply #21 on: March 28, 2010, 06:53:57 PM »
Windows 7 has a lower internal version due to, per Microsoft, a lot of bad installers out there which do simple, stupid version checks which would break if the internal version was set to 7.  Same reason they put the memory limit on Windows XP as of SP1: shitty programmers.

Windows 7 is leaps over Vista in just about every aspect, and I would not call it a Vista service pack anymore than 98 was a service pack for 95, or 2000 for NT 4.  I used the betas and RCs of both Vista and 7 and, even in beta, 7 was much, much better.  The only two things that keep me from moving to 7:

1) No in-place upgrade from XP.  IMNSHO this is a big FU to everyone who refused to upgrade to Vista and there is no legitimate technical reason for the limitation.

2) I absolutely despise the Vista interface and that I must work my way through the equivalent of a phone tree to get to functionality I want, especially knowing it WILL change with the next Windows release.

XP x64 works very well for me, so I will stick with it until I am in a position to reload my machines or I absolutely have to move up.  Renewing my MAPS subscription may help a little, too, since I have let it lapse and do not have any of the newer software :)
 

Offline amigakid

Re: Why do people believe the advertising?
« Reply #22 on: March 28, 2010, 07:38:19 PM »
Windows seven is hands down better than XP and Vista.  And YES there are major differences between Vista and 7.  One of the most important being the rewrite of the Kernal, better hardware referencing and so on do the research from places other than Windows bashing sights.  Upgrade from XP to 7 LoadWB?????  Why??  As a network infrastructure and server specialist I would never reccomend upgrading an OS.  What u get is sludge from the old OS sitting there which can cause instability, slowness ect.  You should ultimately if you can create a complete image of your system, backup ALL files (pics, music, favorites ect) to an external source to restore to your computer after the install and then do a complete wipe of the HDD.  Now the only time to really upgrade is 1 if you can't afford a full version or two .... refer to one.:).  I do agree though LoadWB that if XP is working great for you and you are comfortable with it then there is no reason to switch.  I currently have 2 Windows 7 comps and 2 wondows XP and have no plans to upgrade the XP systems.  Cheers!!!
« Last Edit: March 28, 2010, 07:41:01 PM by amigakid »
 

Offline Hell Labs

Re: Why do people believe the advertising?
« Reply #23 on: March 28, 2010, 07:44:03 PM »
Quote from: Boudicca;550045
Ah that facebook factor strikes again.....Sorry HellLabs you might be a lovely in real life, but drop the caps and drop that attitude, I don't post on here for you to continuously spurt diatribes and pointless swearing. At less have the decency to * out the U......rant mode off....


PS Don't fire back I won't respond....back to LFC v Sunderland

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Offline tokyoracer

Re: Why do people believe the advertising?
« Reply #24 on: March 28, 2010, 08:01:26 PM »
Quote from: gertsy;550028
Microsoft have done their marketing very well.   Bag the old OS and pump the new.
There is bugga all difference in speed in "real terms" between XP SP3, Vista SP2 and Win 7.
In my mind there is bugga all OS difference between Vista and 7.
Your freakin kidding me right? No offence your either blind, not tried the OS's yet or not bothered looking at the facts on paper (not to intending to be a toll here but you couldn't be more wrong).


Quote from: Hell Labs;550036
I'd say it's gotten worse. The only practical difference between windows 7 and windows XP is the system requrements.

"wow it looks shiny! Are there any new features I will find useful?"

"errm... Windows 7 was your idea? DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS BING BING ******* MURDER GOOGLE GRAHSSASJIDSJKDJKDSNJKDSJDNKJDJKNDSJKDS"
Totally agree. Though 7 does have decent features. Wasn't sure about it at first but it is good now iv'e tried it and comaring it to Vista, it may look the same but usability is night and day. Im sticking to XP though for the time being.

Quote from: Boudicca;550045
Ah that facebook factor strikes again.....Sorry HellLabs you might be a lovely in real life, but drop the caps and drop that attitude, I don't post on here for you to continuously spurt diatribes and pointless swearing. At less have the decency to * out the U......rant mode off....
I think he was just making a point, not ranting as such. If you find something as simple as caps lock such an issue then you can either just ignore it or find a plug-in for a browser that will change all capitals into lower case format. Chances are it may not exist (possibly because nobody gets frustrated by them).
« Last Edit: March 28, 2010, 08:08:53 PM by tokyoracer »
 

Offline Hell Labs

Re: Why do people believe the advertising?
« Reply #25 on: March 28, 2010, 08:52:28 PM »
I don't think his reading comprehention is up to much, thats all.
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Offline Arkhan

Re: Why do people believe the advertising?
« Reply #26 on: March 28, 2010, 09:24:59 PM »
Quote from: Hell Labs;550067
I don't think his reading comprehention is up to much, thats all.


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There are a lot of nice differences in Windows 7.  For one, the GUI gets the priority it deserves, so sometimes when you accidentally click a link that has music blaring at 20394820349823409 db, you can click the speaker in the task bar and IMMEDIATELY get to see and mute the sound.   Instead of waiting 30 seconds :)

This results in some latency in a lot of emulators (PC engine, MSX, C64, etc), but they are all getting buttons in them to turn Aero off while the Emulator is running, and back on again when you are done.  So, its kind of alright.  Ootake does the Aero-kill immediately.

Its good to have the option to easily disable or change the look of things.  

pardon the flame-war possibility, but, cant do that on Mac out of box.... and I hate the carbon theme.  Needs more blue.

unless they've changed it since I had my macbook a few years ago :(  

I think they are rehashing some of the old vista features because, back when Vista came out, they went stupid at advertise-time and didn't do a good job of anything.   It seemed like vista just accidentally showed up in stores under the radar.     7 has a nice, fresh marketing campaign , and if you watch the commercials, followed by the Mac vs. PC ones, you can catch hints of the two arguing with each other like on a forum :D

kind of nice to see Windows taking the slightly "finger pointing" approach in advertising.  Their commercials were all very well done for the Windows 7 launch
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Offline LoadWB

Re: Why do people believe the advertising?
« Reply #27 on: March 28, 2010, 09:25:05 PM »
Quote from: amigakid;550058
Upgrade from XP to 7 LoadWB?????  Why??  As a network infrastructure and server specialist I would never reccomend upgrading an OS.  What u get is sludge from the old OS sitting there which can cause instability, slowness ect.


Your credentials are impeccable, none-the-less my experience proves that this is not always the case.  Now, in terms of upgrading a crappy installation to a new OS you will get, well, an upgraded crappy installation. Garbage in, garbage out, as the saying goes.
 

Offline Hell Labs

Re: Why do people believe the advertising?
« Reply #28 on: March 28, 2010, 10:05:31 PM »
Quote from: Arkhan;550074
kind of nice to see Windows taking the slightly "finger pointing" approach in advertising.  Their commercials were all very well done for the Windows 7 launch

I dunno, the windows 7 and IE adverts right now are incredibly irritating. It's just some random person talking really fast, as if to say Look how good we are! we've just "innovated" features everyone else already had ten years ago. But your stupid enough to fall for it.
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Offline KThunder

Re: Why do people believe the advertising?
« Reply #29 on: March 28, 2010, 10:23:23 PM »
Quote from: Hell Labs;550081
I dunno, the windows 7 and IE adverts right now are incredibly irritating. It's just some random person talking really fast, as if to say Look how good we are! we've just "innovated" features everyone else already had ten years ago. But your stupid enough to fall for it.


Everyone claims inovation for whatever they are selling but who else has snap? Apple has an addon from a third party called twoup but 7 has snap built in. I didnt think it was much of a feature until I tried it and it really works well.
many of the features listed http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows7/products/features here are seemlessly ingtegrated into the os

does mac have full 64-bit os yet?
http://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/checking_32_or_64-bit_kernel_boot_mode_in_snow_leopard/

7 is extremely good, apples ads for the mac were funny although not entirely accurate now the shoe on the other foot and some people are getting pissy.
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