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Offline KThunder

Re: Why do people believe the advertising?
« Reply #30 on: March 28, 2010, 10:25:35 PM »
btw I've seen the touch screen support and I must say, they didn't create it but they did it pretty freakin' well
oh i didn't answer the question... they believe the ads because they are true. Microsoft asked people what they wanted and then tried to put those ideas into the os. peoples ideas went into 7. I think part of vistas problem was that wasnt the case, they threw in feature after feature without thinking about how the whole thing would actually run
« Last Edit: March 28, 2010, 10:30:16 PM by KThunder »
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Offline Hell Labs

Re: Why do people believe the advertising?
« Reply #31 on: March 28, 2010, 10:48:56 PM »
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oh i didn't answer the question... they believe the ads because they are true. Microsoft asked people what they wanted and then tried to put those ideas into the os. peoples ideas went into 7. I think part of vistas problem was that wasnt the case, they threw in feature after feature without thinking about how the whole thing would actually run

Wut? I'm not talking about the "windows 7 was my idea" ads. I'm talking about the ones where the hyperactive tossers take credit on microsofts behalf for stuff people were doing years ago. An advert for tabbed browsing? COME ON! Internetworks 1994! Do they really need to advertise being 16 years behind the competition? and they're smug about it as well!
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Offline Trev

Re: Why do people believe the advertising?
« Reply #32 on: March 28, 2010, 10:56:25 PM »
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Same reason they put the memory limit on Windows XP as of SP1: shitty programmers.


I think you meant to say "shitty third-party driver programmers." At the time Windows XP was released, it was rare to see more than 2 GB RAM in any 32-bit Windows system, let alone a consumer PC. By the time Service Pack 2 was released, large memory configuration were becoming more common. Many legacy device drivers don't know how to deal with addresses above 4 GB, so 32-bit Windows client SKUs artificially restrict physical memory to 4 GB.

When an add-in card with a large amount of memory is added to the system, the memory is mapped into the area below 4 GB. E.g. A video card with 1 GB RAM lives at physical addresses 3 GB - 4 GB. The system remaps system RAM at those addresses to 4 GB - 5 GB. Since Windows ignores RAM above 4 GB for the sake of down-level compatibility, the remapped RAM is not usable.

Unfortunately, users expect Microsoft to maintain compatibility with legacy third-party device drivers, regardless of how poorly written they are. Now, you can run 64-bit Windows and be done with it, assuming your hardware vendor provides 64-bit drivers. (If they don't, I'd wager their 32-bit drivers are among those that won't work in systems with more than 4 GB RAM.)
 

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Re: Why do people believe the advertising?
« Reply #33 on: March 28, 2010, 11:06:03 PM »
Quote from: KThunder;550083
btw I've seen the touch screen support and I must say, they didn't create it but they did it pretty freakin' well
oh i didn't answer the question... they believe the ads because they are true. Microsoft asked people what they wanted and then tried to put those ideas into the os. peoples ideas went into 7. I think part of vistas problem was that wasnt the case, they threw in feature after feature without thinking about how the whole thing would actually run


Windows Vista has already been compared to New Coke, so I won't repeat the comparisons here. Unlike Coca-Cola, however, I think Microsoft had the foresight to know it would take a sea change event like Windows Vista's failure to move users beyond the legacy Windows 95 interface into an environment more conducive to novel and innovative user interfaces.

Windows 7 has, however, taken most of the good ideas from Windows Vista--screen composition, object cache, etc.--and made them much more usable. Some things do clash, however. "Sticky" taskbar buttons, for example, attempt to force the UNIX and NeXT/Apple-like single (or forked) process, multiple window paradigm onto all Windows processes. Starting a new instance of a process is now a menu hunt instead of a single click of a Quick Launch button.
 

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Re: Why do people believe the advertising?
« Reply #34 on: March 28, 2010, 11:06:32 PM »
@hells labs
so youv'e only seen one of the commercials? windows 7 was my idea is microsofts ad way of saying they have listened to us and taken many of our suggestions and put them into the os.
Not even microsoft is saying it is all innovative. what it is is all these ideas incorperrated seemlessly into the os. you are the only one ive heard that thinks that microsoft thinks these things are innovative.
apples ads seemed to (very smuggly ) say that pcs arent usefull for anything as if they were actually innovative.
" Tabbed browsing
Tabbed browsing is the most requested browser navigation feature among customers who want to manage multiple websites within one browsing window."
that was from http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-vista/features/ie7-tabbed-browsing.aspx
not every feature is brand new and life changing, but together they work together to be a very smooth and user friendly os.

btw did you mean the internetworks 1994 that noone knows about? thats not really behind the competition if noone knows about it and noone uses it.
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Re: Why do people believe the advertising?
« Reply #35 on: March 29, 2010, 12:53:44 AM »
I find Windows7 a pain, but I'm 99.9% MacOSX now (for about 1.5 years) so my opinion doesn't really count.

Offline Ni72ous

Re: Why do people believe the advertising?
« Reply #36 on: March 29, 2010, 03:07:08 AM »
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Upgrade from XP to 7 LoadWB?????  Why??  As a network infrastructure and server specialist I would never reccomend upgrading an OS.

I could be wrong but when you get an upgrade version of windows 7 i dont think it really upgrades your previous os, i believe it clean installs and is only called an upgrade version because you need to have vista already to be eligible to purchase it.
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Re: Why do people believe the advertising?
« Reply #37 on: March 29, 2010, 03:17:14 AM »
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I could be wrong but when you get an upgrade version of windows 7 i dont think it really upgrades your previous os, i believe it clean installs and is only called an upgrade version because you need to have vista already to be eligible to purchase it.

For Vista to 7, you can do clean or in-place upgrades. You can also install clean without entering a license key, then "upgrade" the clean install, thereby bypassing the previous version requirement. The end result is the same as a clean install.
 

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Re: Why do people believe the advertising?
« Reply #38 on: March 29, 2010, 05:16:22 AM »
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I think you meant to say "shitty third-party driver programmers."


I most certainly did indeed, thank you.  Now, one of many things Microsoft did get right with 7 was the requirement for 64-bit drivers.  If you wanted WHQL certification, your device must provide 32- and 64-bit drivers.  Very nice.
 

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Re: Why do people believe the advertising?
« Reply #39 on: March 29, 2010, 05:24:18 AM »
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I could be wrong but when you get an upgrade version of windows 7 i dont think it really upgrades your previous os, i believe it clean installs and is only called an upgrade version because you need to have vista already to be eligible to purchase it.

It depends upon what you consider an upgrade.  It retains all of your settings, files, and programs, but replaces the entire system installation with 7.  I consider that an upgrade.

If it just upgraded files with the same name and the registry schema, I suppose we would call that a Service Pack, eh?

I have upgraded several systems now from Vista to 7 and the change in performance and behavior is astonishing.

I have been partial to Laplink's PC Mover now for quite a while when moving from system-to-system as it also moves programs and not just data (very handy when you just cannot lose a thing.)  PC Mover is now offering essentially an in-place upgrade from XP to 7.  Going to have a customer try it out here shortly, but I suspect from my previous adventures with PC Mover that it will be brilliant.
 

Offline Arkhan

Re: Why do people believe the advertising?
« Reply #40 on: March 29, 2010, 07:36:49 AM »
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Wut? I'm not talking about the "windows 7 was my idea" ads. I'm talking about the ones where the hyperactive tossers take credit on microsofts behalf for stuff people were doing years ago. An advert for tabbed browsing? COME ON! Internetworks 1994! Do they really need to advertise being 16 years behind the competition? and they're smug about it as well!


lets not forget, when Internetworks 1994 was out, you were about 3, and have no general knowledge of its impact on the world back then.

it was only recently (this decade or so)  that the real-good browsers started having tabs and doing good with it...  some of the early tabbed stuff was pretty goony.   I think Chrome's doin the best with tabs so far.  nice and fast


and the "16 years behind" thing is a bit overplayed by alot of people.  Tons of "bitd" stuff was full of features that were neat, but as a whole, the application wasn't so great and didn't last.

and you were 3, so you weren't really aware of any of this.

:)

you really shouldnt comment on the "Bitd" stuff, since bitd you were still wetting the bed and getting tucked in.



I remember a friend telling me that Vista, when it launched, was full of things Linux was doing 10 years ago.   At the time, any of these features that may have been present in Linux, were a PITA to use, because wayyyy back in the early days, Linux was not exactly user friendly. :D
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Re: Why do people believe the advertising?
« Reply #41 on: March 29, 2010, 08:05:28 AM »
Here's an OS Advertising challenge.  Name a feature presented in the Window 7 Y-Gen adverts that wasn't already in Vista...!

1. Wireless Networking made easy: Select device type in passphrase (how can you make that easier?). Ohh same in Vista and 7.
2. Make it easier to handle my photos (WTF?)
3. List my folders the way I want them: (Hello !)
I've only remember 3 of them and all 3 of the features mentioned are available in Vista as settings you can enable or a view you can set. List folder and remember is available in 2000 and XP just by changing you folder list options and saving your folder setting. Just no pretty thumbnails.

The adverts should be: "It was my idea (no really) and now I remember where I saw it!"
Or maybe the "Perhaps we should have a look to see if I can do that rather than having someone tell me everything." adverts.
No no, it should be the "Yes it was your idea, and now you have to pay for it...!" Advert.

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Re: Why do people believe the advertising?
« Reply #42 on: March 29, 2010, 08:25:00 AM »
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lets not forget, when Internetworks 1994 was out, you were about 3, and have no general knowledge of its impact on the world back then.

it was only recently (this decade or so)  that the real-good browsers started having tabs and doing good with it...  some of the early tabbed stuff was pretty goony.   I think Chrome's doin the best with tabs so far.  nice and fast



BTW: Can someone explain to me the difference in functionality between a browser Tab and "Right click" "Open in new window"?  
Neither makes any difference in memory or speed that I can see.  
Tabs up the top of the screen or windows down the bottom. I know what I'm used to when I run multiple programs. Why is the browser different ?
How do you tile tabs horizontally or vertically on a super wide screen.  You cant!.  Big X to that nice piece of functionality.  But its new and cool. Hey what a good idea.

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Offline zombi

Re: Why do people believe the advertising?
« Reply #43 on: March 29, 2010, 08:26:38 AM »
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Okay, ever since I been seeing the stupid "Windows 7 was my idea " crap - I just can't keep quiet anymore.

So here goes - here is the primary version of Windows we have seen:

1.) Windows 1.0
2.) Windows 2.0
3.) Windows 3.0 (3.11 for workgroups more common one seen)
41.) Windows 95
5.) Windows 98
6.) Windows ME (Millennium)
7.) Windows 2000
8.) Windows XP
9.) Windows Vista

Now Windows 7 - but its the 10th version of Windows.  (I am not even counting Windows NT editions - versions that you couldn't get on low end Dells, HP, Gateway or Server Editions - But the 9 I listed where ALL marketed as versions of windows and sold as "New OS" when released.  So what the hell gives?  Why hasn't everyone call MS on this crap marketing lie?

And don't get me its the 7th unique Build crap - I guaran-damn-tee there is still windows 1.0 source code somewhere in Windows "7".

Just had to get that off my chest while writing this on my Amiga 939 (That's what I call my Dual Core AMD-939 - if MS can make up a number/name why can't I?)

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Windows 3.0 and Windows 3.11 was different. Windows 3.11 was using different kernel (NT kernel). And totaly incompatible with MSDOS and Windows 3.0

NT product family is like this:
-NT 3.1 (Windows 3.11 or Windows NT)
-NT 3.5
-NT 3.51
-NT 4.0
-NT 5.0 (Windows 2000)
-NT 5.1 (Windows XP)
-NT 5.2 (64-bit XP)
-NT 6.0 (Windows Vista)
-NT 6.1 (Windows 7)

Original Windows Series (running on MSDOS) is like this
-Windows 1.0
-Windows 2.0
-Windows 2.1x
-Windows 3.0
-Windows 95
-Windows 98
-Windows ME
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Re: Why do people believe the advertising?
« Reply #44 on: March 29, 2010, 10:28:32 AM »
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BTW: Can someone explain to me the difference in functionality between a browser Tab and "Right click" "Open in new window"?  
Neither makes any difference in memory or speed that I can see.  
Tabs up the top of the screen or windows down the bottom. I know what I'm used to when I run multiple programs. Why is the browser different ?
How do you tile tabs horizontally or vertically on a super wide screen.  You cant!.  Big X to that nice piece of functionality.  But its new and cool. Hey what a good idea.

Geeze I'm grumpy today!  Sorry I have an aching ankle and the drugs have gone right to my head.

Gertsy.


Because its nice to have all your pages in use open in ONE instance of your browser, instead of say 15, if you are browsing that many pages.   Alot faster to flip between em all if its all in one browser....

i mean if you dont LIKE tabs, and want to tile a bunch of windows at the same time and see like 8 pages at once, use 8 instances instead.

:)  Chromes got the nicest tabs though!
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