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Offline takemehomegrandma

Re: OS 4 hardware
« Reply #30 on: December 04, 2009, 04:09:38 PM »
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Quote from: cha05e90;532538
"I believe if the Sam440 could be low cost"

The Sam is already low cost. A new high end PPC system would easily cost around 1000€ and up.
Sam is low cost? Huh?

OK, let's make a comparison on what you can get today if you want a NG system (HW+OS):

Cheapest "G2" class systems (new from dealers, with warranty)

OS4
Cheapest Sam440ep kit at Vesalia (incl. OS4): 700 EUR
Cheapest Sam440flex kit at Vesalia (inlc. OS4): 750 EUR


As additional reference: the Fixstars PowerStation (QuadCore *G5*) is $1250 (~830 EUR), and *even that* is considered expensive for its performance by some...
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Offline takemehomegrandma

Re: OS 4 hardware
« Reply #31 on: December 04, 2009, 04:11:34 PM »
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LO! you never cease to amaze me! what a clown!


Feel free to comment what I say instead of descending to pointless name calling.
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Offline Framiga

Re: OS 4 hardware
« Reply #32 on: December 04, 2009, 04:19:07 PM »
me commenting the crap your still writing since years? no way .... at best, your good for a laugh or 2.

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« Last Edit: December 04, 2009, 07:13:19 PM by Argo »
 

Offline takemehomegrandma

Re: OS 4 hardware
« Reply #33 on: December 04, 2009, 04:24:11 PM »
Quote from: Framiga;532591
me commenting the crap your still writing since years? no way .... at best, your good for a laugh or 2.


Sorry you don't like my message, but hey, at least I'm glad to be able to amuse you! :-)

But where is the crap?
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Offline Daedalus

Re: OS 4 hardware
« Reply #34 on: December 04, 2009, 04:24:23 PM »
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Until they can get price performance at least down to Mac standards it's hard to justify buying a SAM...


How can they possibly get the price-performance ratio down to the levels Apple are at, when they are selling what, ten thousand times fewer units than Apple?? It's a complete guess, but I reckon for every SAM sold, at least 10,000 Macs ship. That makes a whopping difference that simply can't be made up just by wishing for it.
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Re: OS 4 hardware
« Reply #35 on: December 04, 2009, 04:27:40 PM »
Quote from: takemehomegrandma;532581
Sam is low cost? Huh?
 
OK, let's make a comparison on what you can get today if you want a NG system (HW+OS):
 
Cheapest "G2" class systems (new from dealers, with warranty)
 
OS4
Cheapest Sam440ep kit at Vesalia (incl. OS4): 700 EUR
Cheapest Sam440flex kit at Vesalia (inlc. OS4): 750 EUR
 
MorphOS
Cheapest Efika system: Efika kit (MB + *the Official* case, incl. PicoPSU) at directron.com: $170 USD + XGI GFX ($40) + 80GB HDD ($50): 175 EUR
MorphOS 2.4 for this: 150 EUR
Sums up to a total of: 325 EUR
 
Seems like MorphOS+Efika wins the "G2" class price comparison.
 
 
Cheapest G4 class systems (second hand only)
 
OS4
OS4 for Pegasos 2 at Vesalia: 125 EUR
Second hand Pegasos 2 G4 system: 350-450 EUR
Grand total for OS4 and Pegasos2 system: 475-575 EUR
 
MorphOS
A second hand Mac Mini: 150-250 EUR
MorphOS 2.4 for this: 150 EUR
Sums up to a total of: 300-400 EUR
 
Seems like MorphOS+Mac Mini wins the G4 class price comparison.
 
Two notes about the Sam:
 
1) Despite its price, it offers a performance level comparable to common PDA's.
2) You can get *two* complete Mac Mini + MorphOS (registered) systems for the price of one Sam+OS4 system, and *each one* of the former will be *so much more* useful!
 
And this is today.
 
Soon there will also be MorphOS for PowerMac G4's, pushing the prices down even more (or increasing performance even more, and specs/expandability).

I love the way you comparing the pegII an AOS4 against the MAc and MorphOS.  I dont car either way these arguments are always silly.  But want the PegII a board for running morphOS originally.
 
And Efika come on that is not much use for anything.  As expensive as the SAM is its still better that that pile of sh1t.  
 
But as I said I think SAM is overpriced.  The Mac is second hand hardware.  Both sides are screwed
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Offline takemehomegrandma

Re: OS 4 hardware
« Reply #36 on: December 04, 2009, 04:31:06 PM »
Quote from: Daedalus;532593
How can they possibly get the price-performance ratio down to the levels Apple are at, when they are selling what, ten thousand times fewer units than Apple?? It's a complete guess, but I reckon for every SAM sold, at least 10,000 Macs ship. That makes a whopping difference that simply can't be made up just by wishing for it.


The Pegasos was never as expensive as the SAM, yet so much more powerful, and they never came close to Apple volumes either.

The Sam price is a result of design decisions, management and business skills.
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Offline Gulliver

Re: OS 4 hardware
« Reply #37 on: December 04, 2009, 04:44:54 PM »
Quote from: takemehomegrandma;532596
The Pegasos was never as expensive as the SAM, yet so much more powerful, and they never came close to Apple volumes either.

The Sam price is a result of design decisions, management and business skills.


I totally agree on this one.
 

Offline itix

Re: OS 4 hardware
« Reply #38 on: December 04, 2009, 04:58:23 PM »
Quote from: zylesea;532585
Well, the PegasosII G3 was 299 EUR. Add about 150-200 for hdd, case, and gfx and RAM ad hou have ended a bit below 500 EUR. About 5 years ago!

I checked via wayback machine and in 2005 you could buy Peg2/G4 complete system for 700e.

http://web.archive.org/web/20051118195558/http://www.vesalia.de/e_pegasos2.htm

But I recall there were initially higher prices, something like 500e for G3 and 700e for G4 (motherboard and CPU module only). I could not find references other than a price reduction annoucement from Genesi in 2005.
« Last Edit: December 04, 2009, 05:00:37 PM by itix »
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Offline takemehomegrandma

Re: OS 4 hardware
« Reply #39 on: December 04, 2009, 05:18:22 PM »
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I love the way you comparing the pegII an AOS4 against the MAc and MorphOS.


Yes indeed, only second hand HW is available today for both OS4 and MorphOS if you want G4 class HW, hence I compared the best available options for both systems.
 
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And Efika come on that is not much use for anything.  As expensive as the SAM is its still better that that pile of sh1t.


I know perfectly well that the Efika has less controllers, connectors and expandability options than the Sam, but this is the only HW in the "G2" class that MorphOS runs on. And even though its more limited in its specs, it *sure can* be used for lots of things. And it's obviously *not* as expensive as the Sam, it's less than half the price.

Question is though, who would buy any "G2" HW at the cost of an Efika, when you can get a G4 system that completely *crushes it* performance wise, for about the same money...?
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Offline zylesea

Re: OS 4 hardware
« Reply #40 on: December 04, 2009, 05:19:42 PM »
Quote from: itix;532602
I checked via wayback machine and in 2005 you could buy Peg2/G4 complete system for 700e.

http://web.archive.org/web/20051118195558/http://www.vesalia.de/e_pegasos2.htm

But I recall there were initially higher prices, something like 500e for G3 and 700e for G4 (motherboard and CPU module only). I could not find references other than a price reduction annoucement from Genesi in 2005.


Your link lists PegII G4 systems oly. The G4 was listed @ 480 EUR, the G3/600 came down to 299.
The Peg 1 G3 was 480 EUR initially (IIRC, at least that's what I paid back in 2002). All prices excl. VAT.

Offline ltstanfo

Re: OS 4 hardware
« Reply #41 on: December 04, 2009, 06:23:30 PM »
Quote from: Framiga;532591
me commenting the crap your still writing since years? no way .... at best, your good for a laugh or 2.

All - This is the only notice this thread will get...

Keep on topic, leave out the personal attack(s) or I will lock this thread.  Enough said...

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Offline persia

Re: OS 4 hardware
« Reply #42 on: December 04, 2009, 08:20:43 PM »
Ultimately there is only one way to low cost hardware:

AmiTel or Amiga Intel,

but sadly that isn't going to happen...
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