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Offline Gulliver

Amiga.org - Ibrowse and Aweb support sucks
« on: October 20, 2009, 08:58:05 AM »
Hi, i am not trying to be troll. The thing is that the new amiga.org website redesign is very good. But, when viewed with my Amiga either on Ibrowse or Aweb, it looks really awful. I know changes were made to keep up with the times, but then as I browse other websites such as amigaworld.net and amigans.net i see they display pretty well on Classic browsers.
So is it possible for Amiga.org to get a little bit more Amiga friendlier? I really enjoy amiga.org but it is a pitty it looks like crap on Classic Amigas.

I hope you see it as positive critizism, nothing more than that!
 

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Re: Amiga.org - Ibrowse and Aweb support sucks
« Reply #1 on: October 20, 2009, 11:13:58 AM »
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Scroll down to the bottom, for Forum Skin select "mobile"

iBrowse and AWeb are pretty useless for rendering any modern site, there's no sane way to support them anymore. Only answer is an updated browser.
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Offline Wayne

Re: Amiga.org - Ibrowse and Aweb support sucks
« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2009, 01:50:57 PM »
This has been discussed about a thousand times.  Perhaps the new owners will see fit to write a backwards compatible theme (even though you'll lose 1/2 the functionality of the site) when they take over, but at this point in my life, I simply don't have it in me to spend the hundreds of hours required programming time for a dead browser any more.

All it would have taken is the author(s) of said dead browsers to support 1996 technology and we'd all have been much happier, so is it the author's fault for abandoning the platform altogether, or mine because I chose functionality over uselessness?  

The fact is, classic Amiga browsers make up less than 2% (roughly 8 to 10) of our viewers.  Most use PC's and Macs pretty evenly these days, most real Amiga users having moved to Mac years ago..

Like you, not trying to troll.  Just stating the way I feel about it.  The simple fact is that when moving to vBulletin, we had a choice between being fully functional (which we are) or being compatible with a 1994 level dead and unsupported browser set which is only used by less than 2% of our members.  

In order not to strand development of the site AGAIN, I chose the former.  Maybe the new owners will have the enthusiasm (and the spare time) to do something about it...

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Offline arnljot

Re: Amiga.org - Ibrowse and Aweb support sucks
« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2009, 02:19:17 PM »
Btw, has it been released yet who the new owners are? Or do we have to wait?
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Offline Acill

Re: Amiga.org - Ibrowse and Aweb support sucks
« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2009, 04:01:51 PM »
I have to agree with most of the others here. I love my Amiga's as much as anyone else, but the time are changing. If you havent been able to upgrade to a PPC and MOS on yours or get a mini and run MOS, or even a AOS 4.X machine then you need to expect to be left behind.

Go get a mini off craigs list and install the latest release of MOS, you will be shocked at how fast you forget the Amiga you use now. Even the 1.25ghz ones will be better then any current Amiga.
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Offline kickstart

Re: Amiga.org - Ibrowse and Aweb support sucks
« Reply #5 on: October 20, 2009, 04:50:06 PM »
For read/write a text no one need complex forum systems but the reality is there:

Site for sale + look change = more money

Is one of the reasons, i think. Just an opinion.
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Offline Gulliver

Re: Amiga.org - Ibrowse and Aweb support sucks
« Reply #6 on: October 20, 2009, 05:34:41 PM »
Thanks for the kind replies. It is a pitty, but its the price of progress :(
Thanks Wayne for your response, and much more for supporting this site all over these years!

To the new owner of Amiga.org:
 
Please see the matter of applying code to support Classic Amiga´s browsers for further extending the userbase (at least a 2% of users, more if you take into account browsers spoofing).
 

Offline save2600

Re: Amiga.org - Ibrowse and Aweb support sucks
« Reply #7 on: October 20, 2009, 05:57:48 PM »
Quote from: Gulliver;526654

To the new owner of Amiga.org:
 
Please see the matter of applying code to support Classic Amiga´s browsers for further extending the userbase (at least a 2% of users, more if you take into account browsers spoofing).


When I get my Efika up and running with MorphOS, I plan on doing some Amiga browsing with OWB, iBrowse and AWeb. So yeah, 2% or not - would be nice if people running SAM's, A1's, Efika's and Pegasus' had a decent browsing experience on the few dedicated Amiga sites left.

Oh and as far as this site needing to be updated for "features".... more like 'security' reasons, wasn't it? You can keep all the new features, whatever they are. The old sites' look and functionality trounced this new one by a long shot and that's using any browser on any system - IMHO.

Having said that, I admire the job Wayne has done trying to get this new system to look and feel like the old one.
 

Offline Bamiga2002

Re: Amiga.org - Ibrowse and Aweb support sucks
« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2010, 07:22:22 AM »
Try NetSurf. It's a little slow (due to larger support i suppose) but it displays a lot more webpages than IBrowse.
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Offline dougal

Re: Amiga.org - Ibrowse and Aweb support sucks
« Reply #9 on: January 07, 2010, 08:03:56 AM »
Quote from: Bamiga2002;536848
Try NetSurf. It's a little slow (due to larger support i suppose) but it displays a lot more webpages than IBrowse.


Netsurf unfortunatly is stupid because it needs OS4.

Is there no way a decent browser can be written? Even if it requires an 060 etc... etc... as long as it can run on >OS3.9.

Maybe someone can port firefox or something over.
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Offline Bamiga2002

Re: Amiga.org - Ibrowse and Aweb support sucks
« Reply #10 on: January 07, 2010, 09:54:35 AM »
Quote from: dougal;536854
Netsurf unfortunatly is stupid because it needs OS4.

Is there no way a decent browser can be written? Even if it requires an 060 etc... etc... as long as it can run on >OS3.9.
There's NetSurf for m68k too.
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Offline Fingers

Re: Amiga.org - Ibrowse and Aweb support sucks
« Reply #11 on: January 07, 2010, 12:47:55 PM »
Quote from: Bamiga2002;536860
There's NetSurf for m68k too.


Cool, but maybe not suitable for everyone due to...quote:

"Requirements:

  * AmigaOS 3.x (no worries for almost all users)
  * Picasso96 / CGX graphic card (problem for some)
  * 128 MB Ram (problem for many)
  * Equivalent of 100 Mhz 060 Cpu (problem for many, many) "

Still cool though :)

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Offline 0amigan0

Re: Amiga.org - Ibrowse and Aweb support sucks
« Reply #12 on: January 07, 2010, 01:05:14 PM »
Quote from: Fingers;536879
Cool, but maybe not suitable for everyone due to...quote:

"Requirements:

  * AmigaOS 3.x (no worries for almost all users)
  * Picasso96 / CGX graphic card (problem for some)
  * 128 MB Ram (problem for many)
  * Equivalent of 100 Mhz 060 Cpu (problem for many, many) "

Still cool though :)

PZ.

On RiscOS (where the netsurf project started) the ram requirements are far, far low.
If on Amiga, it was a 100% native application, instead of a quick'n'dirty port from Linux, it would be far more agile.
 

Offline Bamiga2002

Re: Amiga.org - Ibrowse and Aweb support sucks
« Reply #13 on: January 07, 2010, 01:20:19 PM »
Yes NetSurf on WB 3.1 is quite slow, but i use it only if IBrowse fails to display a certain webpage properly. On OS4 it's a tad faster and has nicer user interface. I wish they'd recompile the code for native 68k (and for PPC/WarpOS too :)).
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Offline arnljot

Re: Amiga.org - Ibrowse and Aweb support sucks
« Reply #14 on: January 07, 2010, 01:40:04 PM »
Netsurf GUI needs an intuition port if possible, also WarpOS would be nice.

But it's still a RAM eater, so it wouldn't help me much.
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