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Offline Olecranon

Re: 4.2GB - Formatted or Unformatted?
« Reply #15 on: March 06, 2006, 04:55:55 PM »
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amije wrote:

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in any case, if you want to make the first partition bootable,limit it's size to no more than 2gb


So what your saying is that you cant use more that 4GB's from any hard drive and if the partition is a BOOT partition it cant be more than 2GB?

Are there any alternate Filesystems that will work with KS2.04/WB2.1 ?
 

Offline darksun9210

Re: 4.2GB - Formatted or Unformatted?
« Reply #16 on: March 06, 2006, 05:16:02 PM »
i've not heard of the 2Gb partition limit,
but i personally wouldn't have a system partition bigger than a gig - usually about 250Mb or so. as if at anytime you loose validation on your system drive, its going to take forever to re-validate a big partition.

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Offline amigagr

Re: 4.2GB - Formatted or Unformatted?
« Reply #17 on: March 06, 2006, 07:04:26 PM »
@Olecranon:  these days of big disks i use only 512mb for the boot partition. have in mind this: whatever patches you can apply to the system during boot or after this, at the very begining the amiga boots with the standard rom's limitations. rom's 3.1 scsi device can't ''see'' more than 4gb at first boot of amiga. the 2gb limit is something i have read here and there a lot of times, not a personal expirience. you can check here and here for sfs. read carefully before attempt anything to your drive and backup all the data just in case :-) for me sfs is safer and faster. can work with partitions up to 128gb, but always have in mind a small boot partition.
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Offline TjLaZer

Re: 4.2GB - Formatted or Unformatted?
« Reply #18 on: March 06, 2006, 07:24:40 PM »
When I was upgrading one of my A600HDs I installed a IBM Travelstar 4.86GB notebook HD into it.  I have KS 3.1.  I was playing around and found that all I had to do to make it work with no patches or anything is to simply only partition it upto 4.00GB.  So I added like 3 partitions and made sure the last one was not over the 4.00 mark.  Works perfectly.  Do that and you will be ok.

Oh and I used HDInstTools on Aminet and it allowed me to partition the large drive no probs.
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Offline koaftder

Re: 4.2GB - Formatted or Unformatted
« Reply #19 on: March 06, 2006, 07:25:32 PM »
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DamageX wrote:
Harddrives are already formatted when you get them (physical format, not logical format) but some people (including drive manufacturers) will talk about 4.2GB = 4,200,000,000 bytes while others will talk about 4.0GB = (the limit of 32-bit addressing) = 4,294,967,296 bytes

And yes, the 4GB limitation does not mean that you need a drive of 4GB or less, you just won't be able to use the additional space.


Harddrive mfrg's make me mad with all that crap. In their world:

1kb = 1000 bytes
imb = 1000 kb
1gb = 1000 mb

or they define 1mb = 1024kb but a gb = 1000mb.

You should be able to calculate exactly how many bytes are on the drive from the number on the box.



 

Offline amigagr

Re: 4.2GB - Formatted or Unformatted
« Reply #20 on: March 06, 2006, 07:30:46 PM »
@koaftder: using hdtoolbox when you define the cylinders of a partition and clicking cylinder by cylinder upwards to ''count'' 1mb or 1gb you will see that 1mb or 1gb are 1024 kb or mb
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Offline Hyperspeed

Re: 4.2GB - Formatted or Unformatted
« Reply #21 on: March 06, 2006, 08:43:47 PM »
So the old FFS limit is 4.2GB or 4.0GB?

Anyway, it's interesting that the limitation only applies to the addresable area for partitions and not the drive itself.

Out of curiosity though, would HDToolBox still check for bad blocks outside the 4.2GB limit or does this have nothing to do with the filesystem itself?


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Offline amigagr

Re: 4.2GB - Formatted or Unformatted
« Reply #22 on: March 06, 2006, 08:53:41 PM »
i think this is a matter of both scsi device and file system limitations. the 64 nsd versions can ''see'' and work in theory with some terabytes. microsoft had similar broblems with fat, fat32 and the latest, the 128gb barrier before the sp1 of winxp. if you have a biger drive and plain xp you can use only the first 128gb until you install the sp1 update
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Offline koaftder

Re: 4.2GB - Formatted or Unformatted
« Reply #23 on: March 06, 2006, 08:58:16 PM »
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amije wrote:
i think this is a matter of both scsi device and file system limitations. the 64 nsd versions can ''see'' and work in theory with some terabytes. microsoft had similar broblems with fat, fat32 and the latest, the 128gb barrier before the sp1 of winxp. if you have a biger drive and plain xp you can use only the first 128gb until you install the sp1 update


Man, am i the only one who cant fill up a 40 gig drive on a pc or a mac?
 

Offline Hyperspeed

Re: 4.2GB - Formatted or Unformatted
« Reply #24 on: March 06, 2006, 08:59:00 PM »
A little off-topic here but I recently saw Blue-Ray discs in an office catalogue.

I'm assuming the drives are out so has any Amiga owner experienced the joys of 28GB recordable discs?

:-)

EDIT:
koaftder: I'm only just filling a 2GB drive! What are you PC owners putting on there, filthy movies!?

:-D
 

Offline amigagr

Re: 4.2GB - Formatted or Unformatted
« Reply #25 on: March 06, 2006, 09:14:26 PM »
in the pc that i use at work for editing i have a lot of times  used more than 100gb for a video project. just think that 1 hour of dv video is 13gb of disk space. if the prime material is 5-10 minidv or dvcam tapes plus the rendering of the final movie plus the dvd version rendering, you end up with 200gb for just one project. some times even this is not  enough.
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Re: 4.2GB - Formatted or Unformatted
« Reply #26 on: March 06, 2006, 09:22:26 PM »
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Man, am i the only one who cant fill up a 40 gig drive on a pc or a mac?

Code: [Select]

Unit      Size    Used    Free Full Errs   State     Type Name
SDH2:    96.4G   88.7G    7.7G  92%    0 read/write  PFS3 Huge
SSDH1:   29.9G   26.3G    3.7G  88%    0 read/write  PFS3 Storage
SSDH2:   96.4G   90.2G    6.2G  94%    0 read/write  PFS3 Work

Filesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/hda6              66G  3.6G   59G   6% /home
/dev/sda1             373G  314G   60G  85% /mnt/siika1
/dev/hdd1             373G  179G  195G  48% /mnt/siika2
 

Offline koaftder

Re: 4.2GB - Formatted or Unformatted
« Reply #27 on: March 06, 2006, 09:30:11 PM »
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Piru wrote:
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Man, am i the only one who cant fill up a 40 gig drive on a pc or a mac?

Code: [Select]

Unit      Size    Used    Free Full Errs   State     Type Name
SDH2:    96.4G   88.7G    7.7G  92%    0 read/write  PFS3 Huge
SSDH1:   29.9G   26.3G    3.7G  88%    0 read/write  PFS3 Storage
SSDH2:   96.4G   90.2G    6.2G  94%    0 read/write  PFS3 Work

Filesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/hda6              66G  3.6G   59G   6% /home
/dev/sda1             373G  314G   60G  85% /mnt/siika1
/dev/hdd1             373G  179G  195G  48% /mnt/siika2


You sir, are the king of pr0n!  :-D
 

Offline Hyperspeed

Re: 4.2GB - Formatted or Unformatted
« Reply #28 on: March 06, 2006, 10:14:11 PM »
That's not pr0n, that's l33t 'code'!
 

Offline Ozimandius

Re: 4.2GB - Formatted or Unformatted
« Reply #29 on: October 05, 2007, 08:21:13 PM »
Oh feck - God know's what I'm doing on my PC's then!

Home PC has a 80gb & 400gb - total of 250gb left

Work PC has a 300gb & 150gb - total of 200 left

lol!

Must be all those 12gb game installations

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