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AuthorTopic: Worst of the Worst Think Comodore has done.  (Read 3095 times)

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Offline iamaboringperson

Re: Worst of the Worst Think Comodore has done.
« Reply #30 on: June 07, 2003, 12:39:34 AM »
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Well, thats why it died. They REFUSED to make faster machines. Why not SIMM sockets. Why can't a playstation 2, gamecube, or that other thing have SIMM sockets? EVERYONE seems to think this is a "Cardinal law of the Universe" that cannot be broken.
commodore couldnt make money from SIMM's!!

do you realise how the game console business works?
here are the basic steps:
1. sell the console super cheap, so as to reel everyone in!
2. sell the games and propriatary hardware expansions super expensive, so as to cover the costs of the below cost consoles and make a hell of a lot of profit!

game consoles have weird looking connectors all over them for a good reason:






$$$$$$$!
 

Offline Atheist

Re: Worst of the Worst Think Comodore has done.
« Reply #31 on: June 07, 2003, 01:00:45 AM »
Generally correct.

BUT, it's the proprietary hardware, that SW companies pay a royalty per piece of SW sold, that the manufacturer of the game console gets, which brings in the dough!

AmigaOne! Too many mistakes made already, stop it, read my posts!!!  :-D
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So I guess that A500, 600, 1000, 2000, CDTV, CD32, are pure garbage then? Thanks for posting here.
 

Offline Im>bE

Re: Worst of the Worst Think Comodore has done.
« Reply #32 on: June 07, 2003, 01:28:59 AM »

The very worst thing commodore did for themselves was to make amiga such a reliable and good computer that few would ever want to or need to buy any new amiga or parts to their own.

A company that gives its customers everything they want, is doomed.

and so it became.

Stop your nonsense disputes.
When the amiga was invented, there was nothing more to improve!
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Offline Argo

Re: Worst of the Worst Think Comodore has done.
« Reply #33 on: June 07, 2003, 05:46:19 AM »
They bought a little upstart called Amiga.
 

Offline meerschaum

Re: Worst of the Worst Think Comodore has done.
« Reply #34 on: June 07, 2003, 07:07:25 AM »
around here where I live... there was 0 marketing going on at all... no tv adds...no magazine adds...nothing... in fact if you wanted to buy an amiga if you had the money...and gave alot of effort...you still might not have found a place able to take your order for one...you needed to mail order...and this is in connecticut... right next to NY... its easier to get an amiga NOW then it was THEN in this region... market was commodores failure...failure to market or push their product AT ALL... they did NOTHING to market it...and THAT is what killed commodore...and ultimatly the amiga...

 

Offline Dan

Re: Worst of the Worst Think Comodore has done.
« Reply #35 on: June 07, 2003, 10:18:08 AM »
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The very worst thing commodore did for themselves was to make amiga such a reliable and good computer that few would ever want to or need to buy any new amiga or parts to their own.

A company that gives its customers everything they want, is doomed.

and so it became.

Stop your nonsense disputes.
When the amiga was invented, there was nothing more to improve!

Exactly, selling C64 and A500 to a customer once in 10 years wasn´t like selling Wintel crap very year.
If it´s already workingthere is no point of upgrading
Apple did it right the first time, bring back the Newton!
 

Offline ACE

Re: Worst of the Worst Think Comodore has done.
« Reply #36 on: June 07, 2003, 01:37:05 PM »
I have mixed feelings about the CD32, it wasn't quite powerful enough, but had the expansion potential that no other console had/has.  After C= disarster with the CDTV (far to ahead of its time) the management didn't believe the world was truely ready for CD ROM.

If they had produced a A1200 type system with an internal CD ROM early enough and got the devlopers behind them they could have killed domestic piricy (probably the real Amiga killer) for a good few years (remember CD writers are a long way off!)

But the A4000 was a great idea crap implimentation, cost cutting everywhere meant that a developers board got turned into the real deal crammed into a cheap PC desktop case.  The real A4000 (A3000+) was meant to be SCSI based have a internal Scan Doubler for Hires SVGA monitors, and a FAST RAM system that wasn't limited to about 15Mb/s transfer rate!

IDE is fine today and is a useful (cheap) solution but back then before real UDMA, SCSI only used a few percent of processing power.

In hindsight more RTG should have been introduced aswell.  The Amiga Chipset which made the Amiga what it was in the Early 90's was beginning to become more 'cludged' together (I think I just made up a new word :-D ) with more DMA bugs and sprite fetching was doing some weird things.  I heard somewhere that C= lost the original Chipset designs and had to reverse engineer them for the ECS/AGA (Don't know if thats true).

Instead of the A4000, a desktop A1200 in a nice slimline case + CD ROM should have been built, with a couple of zorro III slots if possible!)

Meanwhile the A4000 (A3000+) with SCSI and probably PCI (just starting to become mainstream enough to be cheap) with an '060.  That would have meant better RTG support would be required.

I think i'll leave it there for now...
 

Offline ACE

Re: Worst of the Worst Think Comodore has done.
« Reply #37 on: June 07, 2003, 01:42:18 PM »
Ooooo, just remembered, wasn't there a rumor that (HP?) wanted a good O/S for the Alpha CPU and approached C= about converting Workbench, just imagine an efficent O/S on Alpha Chips, if it could have been made cheap enough could of been onto a winner there.  Workstation power to the masses... :-o
 

Offline Matt_H

Re: Worst of the Worst Think Comodore has done.
« Reply #38 on: June 07, 2003, 02:33:31 PM »
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The real A4000 (A3000+) was meant to be SCSI based have a internal Scan Doubler for Hires SVGA monitors,


Eh... I actually think the scan doubler component  was scrapped. Softhut got their hands on a 3000+ about a year or so ago, and I don't believe it had a scan doubler. I could be wrong though.
 

Offline jeffimix

Re: Worst of the Worst Think Comodore has done.
« Reply #39 on: June 07, 2003, 04:31:21 PM »
Thin about people complaining about only 2 megs chip RAM is stupid. You could have more Fast RAM. Every PC in existance has 1 frickin megabyte of RAM built in. On DOS, 99% of games can only use the first 640K of RAM. 2 Megabytes of RAM built into the computer the way Amiga's had, and fully accesible to games and word processors et cetera, still is twice what PCs have. Amigas need more slots for standard PC RAM not more built into some poor unupgradeable chip.
\\"The only benchmarks that matter is my impression of the system while using the apps I use. Everything else is opinion.\\" - FooGoo
 

Offline Tomas

Re: Worst of the Worst Think Comodore has done.
« Reply #40 on: June 07, 2003, 04:54:14 PM »
Yeah same here... I never EVER saw a single Amiga commercial in my life... Though the Amiga was very popular where i live, nearly all my friends had one.... Really odd isnt it?