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Offline pierre

Re: Amithlon question
« Reply #30 on: August 02, 2006, 06:45:52 PM »
Amigatlon is great!  IMO the best new amiga you can get, why was it killed like anything cool the amiga scene has done in the last 10 years I DON'T KNOW. I belive that there was/is an effort made by competition to kill the amiga by killing all promising projects! :evil:  Long live AmigaXL.  To you Amiga killers, it's over we won't threaten the commercial markert ever again, that much is sure.(thanks! yes Amiga INC I'm looking at you!)  Now back off and let us have some fun!   I not going to wait for amiga OS4 (it's a joke at this point!) I don't want to be stuck with wired hardware that is realy expensive and not easy to replace, have we learned NOTHING?  Even MAC has gone with Intel chips!  I will support any amigathlon site you guys want to put together! ANYBODY THAT TELLS YOU THAT AMIGATHLON IS BAD FOR THE AMIGA SCENE would rather see the amiga dead! Just so you guys know, yes I still like my classic amiga hardware.  It interesting to see just how much of a threat the Amiga was to other platforms, still people are attempting to kill it, hahaha good luck! (rant over)
 

Offline motorollin

Re: Amithlon question
« Reply #31 on: August 02, 2006, 08:54:09 PM »
Downloading Amithlon now from "somewhere"  ;-)  I've heard that it is still being maintained. Anyone know where I can download the updates?

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Offline rdolores

Re: Amithlon question
« Reply #32 on: August 02, 2006, 09:33:18 PM »
The latest is from Gary Colville. You can get them from here:

http://www.hd-zone.com/amithlon/amithlon.htm

He is also working some newer drivers.

You can also get the last ones from Bernie Meyer

http://www.amithlon.net/en/amithlon_updates.shtml

The 2 files you will need are:

amithlon_contrib3b.lha (Amiga-side drivers)
amithlon_newkernel.lzh (Linux-side x86 drivers)

There is also a file called AmithlonUpdate.lha which is a substitue for amithlon_contrib3b.lha. It makes installation easier since it uses the Amiga Installer.

You can also find more Amithlon files at Harald Frank's site:

http://www.vmc.de/amithlon/index.html

And here's a good site for Amithlon info including setting up a NIC:

http://www.birrabrothers.com/tiger/

Hope this helps.
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Offline Wayne

Re: Amithlon question
« Reply #33 on: August 02, 2006, 09:45:00 PM »
Amigamania,

there are some myths about amithlon:

amithlon is not a good amiga emulator
cause you will fell bored quicly using bored workbench applications out of date
even is very hard to configure and the installation is only for experts causing several headaches

also amithlon is not faster than winuae like some idiots says here,for example I tested amithlon VS winuae 0.827 and winuae WINS or is a draw
however amithlon is faster than lastest winuae version 1.3 which is very slow dunno why..I don't care about that cause always I use winuae 0.827

anyways...maybe amithlon could be a good project if anyone intelligent make a custom chip emulation there but now is an obsolete and bored and discontinued beta project which not offer better emulation than winuae on any side


bye, Laser
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Offline pierre

Re: Amithlon question
« Reply #34 on: August 02, 2006, 11:34:40 PM »
Laser there is no reason to go around calling ppl idiots becasue they have differnt benchmarks that you? I personly perfer amigathlon, but you know I don't play a lot of games, maybe I am a differnt type of user than you?
This all being said I think winUAE is very cool, I just don't run windows, not even for an emulator and the lunix and unix version are not that great. I'm not sure what idiots you are talking about, and I'm glad you include a benchmark that is construtctive. (if it's from the same box) I'm happy your winUAE is faster that you amigathlon, that's just does not jive with what I see and feel...  But I take into account that I don't know every thing or have the latest version of every software... I have a job.
yes I want amigathol to contine development, yes it has gaps that could be filled.  At least it runs on intel chips unlike the os4.0 witch is dommed to run on old hardware.... and you can boot it (mostly).   Maybe you could develop some "custon chip emulation" since you don't think anybody that worked on amigathlon was "intelligent".  There are several people on this site who belive they know every thing, and smart as they may be they don't. Just remember if you think you know it all you are wrong... that does not make you an idiot it makes yo human. :-D   I would realy like to know if anybody knows why amigaXL is no longer for sale.
thanks
Pierre
 

Offline Wayne

Re: Amithlon question
« Reply #35 on: August 03, 2006, 02:44:18 AM »
Pierre,

I have made some experiments using Lame 3.86 long time ago
and I will include test results from my memory cause I haven't installed amithlon right now

I have only tested 68k speed and not used amiga benchmarks like sysinfo or sysspeed cause they are inacurate

so here are my result using Lame 3.86 converting a  wav file of aprox 4 minits length to mp3 using dafault lame options on an athlon xp 2400 2.0ghz  ..  1 year or 1.5 ago

winuae 0.827 : 1.40 min
amithlon     : 1.41  
winuae 1.0   : 1.57

the diference betewen amithlon and a faster winuae release was only 1 second so I think is a draw


bye, Laser
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Offline mihcael

Re: Amithlon question
« Reply #36 on: August 03, 2006, 06:31:13 AM »
Quote

pierre wrote:
:-D   I would realy like to know if anybody knows why amigaXL is no longer for sale.


I think it was an illegal distrubution!

Haage-partner didn'y have permission form Amiga inc or something??

they continued to sell it without the authors permission,
Original authors got screwed?

Bernie Meyer talked about it all somewhere
maybe here http://www.umilator.net/blog/ ?? but i cant find it again!


Offline motorollin

Re: Amithlon question
« Reply #37 on: August 03, 2006, 08:08:47 AM »
Damn it, the file I left downloading all night wasn't Amithlon after all  :-x  Is it still available anywhere?

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  • Guest
Re: Amithlon question
« Reply #38 on: August 03, 2006, 09:27:51 AM »
Quote
also amithlon is not faster than winuae like some idiots says


So Bernie Meyer author of the JIT used in UAE and Amithlon is an idiot is he?

Him being an "idiot", I am sure he knows less about the performance of his own code than you do eh? :roll:
 

Offline Effy

Re: Amithlon question
« Reply #39 on: August 03, 2006, 10:25:11 AM »
Just my own two cents, I bought Amithlon years ago for a price close to 150 Euro's. I never installed it on hd so I only booted it from CD. The speed was breathtaking but it really didn't like playing games, and with games I mean RTG games from which I knew that they preferred being played on a gfx card as I had a fully working A1200 equipped tower next to the pc. So I cancelled my Amithlon project but once in a while I think about reviving it again. I do have a GeForce2 card ready and the PCI128 and an RTL8029 so I guess that's all I need to get started  :lol: Thanks for all those cool links in this topic, need to check them all out but am confident that they will make the installing of the hd a lot easier  :lol:

Offline Wayne

Re: Amithlon question
« Reply #40 on: August 03, 2006, 12:24:47 PM »
nicholas,

I never told that Bernie is an idiot
well maybe yes I don't know him

I have made my own experiments ...check up
my results using Lame
or at least make your own experiments and post your results
and we can talk about that
but
believe it or not
The ultra speed of amithlon is a myth


Motorollin,

you can download amithlon using Emule or any program that join edonkey servers
there are some amithlon isos that some ppl share and you can try it
and don't worry about legality issues cause amithlon is a discontinued project


bye, Laser
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Offline DrBombcrater

Re: Amithlon question
« Reply #41 on: August 03, 2006, 05:45:24 PM »
Quote

Laser wrote:

The ultra speed of amithlon is a myth

Amithlon is considerably faster than WinUAE. Either you've made some kind of mistake with your test, or Amithlon wasn't working correctly.
 

Offline pixie

Re: Amithlon question
« Reply #42 on: August 03, 2006, 06:19:58 PM »
Amithlon is alos lot closer to a real Amiga in responsivness since it has about all computer to itself, only a minimal linux running besides, WinUAE has... erhhh... windows... UAE for linux might be another history, but due to the host i cannot believ such claims (of winuae being faster)...


pixie- writing from a paradise called Portugal
 

Offline Nitro

Re: Amithlon question
« Reply #43 on: August 03, 2006, 08:46:14 PM »
I like Amithlon but I`d like to be able to use WHDLoad, so my question is would it be possible to install Amiga Forever 6.0 the live booting from the CD itself (no operating system required) portion on a harddrive?  Has anyone tried to do that?
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Offline motorollin

Re: Amithlon question
« Reply #44 on: August 03, 2006, 09:15:56 PM »
If you look on the Amiga Forever web site, I think it says that installing to hard drive is not yet supported. Is the live CD version of Amiga Forever as fast as Amithlon?

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