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Offline cv643d

Finally tried AROS
« on: March 30, 2006, 02:25:23 PM »
Hi all,

After years of hearing about AROS I finally tried it today.

I downloaded an iso from http://www.aros-max.co.uk/

Burned it and booted my PC. Worked fine but the mouse did not work so I replaced my USB mouse to a regular PS2 mouse and then it worked fine.

Some comments:

It feels like a real Amiga. If I could unLHA packages from Aminet and run Hippoplayer and other 68mk programs I would set up a computer for AROS right away.

It feels very lightweight and small just like 3.1 felt with a graphics board.
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Offline _ThEcRoW

Re: Finally tried AROS
« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2006, 02:33:43 PM »
You can run 68k programs using e-uae at the moment.
In the future is planned an integration of uae, so 68k programs like games could be loaded directly from the os.
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Offline motorollin

Re: Finally tried AROS
« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2006, 02:36:12 PM »
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_ThEcRoW wrote:
You can run 68k programs using e-uae at the moment.
In the future is planned an integration of uae, so 68k programs like games could be loaded directly from the os.

I hope they implement this soon. I would love to build an AROS machine with a Mini-ITX board and build it all inside an A1200 case, and be able to run 68k games and software on it :-)

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Offline tomekm

Re: Finally tried AROS
« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2006, 03:08:23 PM »
the AROS is great! But it lacks binary compatibility with the AmigaOS, hope this`ll be fixed soon - with use of UAE m68k emulator integration, it should behave better than MorphOS - the best idea for graphic screens would ie. be a window on desktop, displaying an AGA screen from the game you just run :)

I recently eMuled the Amithlon - and for now it seems to be the best solution for having an Amiga running on x86, and, until AROS reaches binary compatibility to AmigaOS, it will remain the best x86-Amiga-solution for me, even with it`s no-paula-sound 'feature'
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Offline motorollin

Re: Finally tried AROS
« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2006, 03:16:14 PM »
Is Amithlon binary compatible with 68k software?

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Offline swift240

Re: Finally tried AROS
« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2006, 04:00:07 PM »
Not having so far used AROS but AmiKit with some pretty good results, what would the better be between AROS and AmiKit?

I sitll use a real Amiga towered but all the same as for as my Athlon is concerned I like ot try other systems for an emulated Amiga.

Has any one yet tried the both AROS and AmiKit to see what is what between the two?

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Offline amipal

Re: Finally tried AROS
« Reply #6 on: March 30, 2006, 04:32:19 PM »
@motorollin
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Is Amithlon binary compatible with 68k software?

Amithlon is a Linux-hosted emulation, so in a way, yes.
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Offline vpamicue

Re: Finally tried AROS
« Reply #7 on: March 30, 2006, 05:51:01 PM »
Yes it is 100% 68040 compatible. It will run without much problem most software (games that hit the hardware are out as the hardware is non existant). I have Amithlon running on AMD Athilon 1400 clocked at about 1.1 gighz 040. I use Pagestream Imagine ImageFX TVPaint. It uses AHI for sound and Picasso for Graphics. It has limited compatability with new hardware but older hardware it should have no problem. A good Idea would be to have a Creative SoundBlaster live 128 and maybe a cheap NVidia TNT graphics card. You will have to have a linux partition or drive but it will boot directly into Amiga. The CD comes with a normal version of OS3.9 (It will install and run on real Amiga). :-D  :-D
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Re: Finally tried AROS
« Reply #8 on: March 30, 2006, 06:01:54 PM »
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I have Amithlon running on AMD Athilon 1400 clocked at about 1.1 gighz 040

According to what? If it's some benchmark, the code is JITted and you get way too optimistic result. Several hundred MHz is closer to truth in real life application performance.

Example: I get 9200.93 MIPS from SysSpeed for my MorphOS JIT emulated 68060 (on 7447@1GHz). The actual application performance is far from this.
 

Offline itix

Re: Finally tried AROS
« Reply #9 on: March 30, 2006, 06:09:15 PM »
AROS and Amithlon are two different things. Amithlon is 'WinUAE in steroids' i.e. it runs 68k AmigaOS and is designed to run original 68k programs at maximum speed. AROS is meant to run native (i.e. native x86 programs on x86 machine) programs at maximum speed and programs are compiled natively for your CPU.

AROS/68k runs only 68k programs, AROS/PPC only PPC programs, AROS/x86 only x86 programs etc.

And I think 'integrated UAE' to run 68k programs on x86 AROS is bollocks: the concept is not proven to work.

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Offline wonea

Re: Finally tried AROS
« Reply #10 on: March 30, 2006, 06:32:44 PM »
Emulating old stuff maybe all well and good.  But I think building and supporting native applications is far more worthwhile.  The cross-development tools are now in place, so things are going to get better.
 

Offline cv643d

Re: Finally tried AROS
« Reply #11 on: March 30, 2006, 10:10:48 PM »
Yes that is what is missing from AROS right now I think, the ability to start 68k programs. If it is possible to run system friendly apps in the future I think AROS will become much more popular than today and there wont be as much preasure for AROS to have a broad range of software available (although native ported AROS apps are important to!).

It was a bit disturbing that the menu was not fixed at the top of the screen, I would have prefered the meny at the top like on classic Amigas. But all in all it was a fantastic experience...  I look forward to installing AROS on my Mini-ITX computer in the future.
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Offline DonnyEMU

Re: Finally tried AROS
« Reply #12 on: March 30, 2006, 10:32:02 PM »
I find running UAE under AROS just as nice as if apps were running in some integrated emulator. I like AROS for what it is now and UAE for it is just fine as it is.


Okay Big Question: What is so great about Amithlon and Where can I buy it.. That's a loaded question because I already know the answer. People keep mentioning Amithlon which here in the USA I have never had the opportunity to "BUY" anywhere so why keep bringing something up that isn't available to the general populous?? If it's not available why compare it.. Aros is easily downloaded and used by everyone everywhere.  


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Re: Finally tried AROS
« Reply #13 on: March 30, 2006, 10:47:07 PM »
FAQ about what went wrong with Amithlon: http://www.umilator.net/faq.shtml

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Offline dammy

Re: Finally tried AROS
« Reply #14 on: March 31, 2006, 01:02:31 AM »
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And I think 'integrated UAE' to run 68k programs on x86 AROS is bollocks: the concept is not proven to work.


From the feedback of different AROS developers, it should be doable.  It won't be perfect, but it should satify those who want it intergration.

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