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Title: Amiga OS 3.1.4 and WinUAE
Post by: Dmaster on October 14, 2018, 12:19:35 AM
Will Amiga OS 3.1.4 work under WinUAE?  Thanks.
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.1.4 and WinUAE
Post by: Thomas Richter on October 14, 2018, 12:31:58 AM
It would be very bad for WinUAE if it would not, and I would be very surprised if it would not, but please keep in mind that 3.1.4 is sold and licensed for use on physical Amiga machines, not on emulators. There is an EULA for that. In case you wonder why this is spelled out - the problem has a name, and this name is "Cloanto".
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.1.4 and WinUAE
Post by: guest21671 on October 14, 2018, 06:33:11 AM
HAHAHA, I guess AmigaBill is in trouble.
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.1.4 and WinUAE
Post by: Romanujan on October 14, 2018, 09:36:40 AM
but please keep in mind that 3.1.4 is sold and licensed for use on physical Amiga machines, not on emulators. There is an EULA for that. In case you wonder why this is spelled out - the problem has a name, and this name is "Cloanto".

Where? My licenses doesn't mention emulation at all. For my computer legitimate version of AmigaOS (as the license calls this) is available, I believe AmigaForever is a legitimate package. And there is even a Kickstart ROM image in a directory called amiga_or_emulation. And even the official FAQ doesn't suggest running under emulation is not allowed - it only states that Hyperion can't ensure the OS will work correctly under emulation.
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.1.4 and WinUAE
Post by: NinjaCyborg on October 14, 2018, 07:56:33 PM
It works fine
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.1.4 and WinUAE
Post by: Motormouth on October 14, 2018, 09:56:32 PM
Won't devices like the ICD Shuffle Board allow you to do what you are asking?
http://amiga.resource.cx/exp/shuffle

Just put a switch on the shuffle board's jumper.
This might work with the A500 and A1000.  I don't know about any other amiga.

To Moderator sorry: I was trying to put this in the following thread: Dual floppy with a regular DF0 and a Gotek (with switch) 
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.1.4 and WinUAE
Post by: Trev on October 15, 2018, 06:36:58 PM
... but please keep in mind that 3.1.4 is sold and licensed for use on physical Amiga machines, not on emulators. There is an EULA for that. In case you wonder why this is spelled out - the problem has a name, and this name is "Cloanto".

Seven years gone, and I come back to the same old infighting among IP holders. Will it ever end? :-)
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.1.4 and WinUAE
Post by: kolla on October 16, 2018, 12:05:28 PM
keep in mind that 3.1.4 is sold and licensed for use on physical Amiga machines, not on emulators. There is an EULA for that. In case you wonder why this is spelled out - the problem has a name, and this name is "Cloanto".

Are you even aware of the content of the ADF images sold? The "problem" here is not Cloanto, something you apparently will have to learn the hard way.
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.1.4 and WinUAE
Post by: Thomas Richter on October 16, 2018, 02:10:27 PM
Are you even aware of the content of the ADF images sold? The "problem" here is not Cloanto, something you apparently will have to learn the hard way.
Excuse me, but do not tell me what I know or do not know. You have not been in line when the decision has been made. It is exactly that: Cloanto claims to have rights for the emulation market, so it must be *very* clear that this is a product that does not address emulation. Emulation is Cloanto's market. This update, however, is for physical machines, so for a different market. It is highly unlikely that anyone is coming after you or a private user if you use 3.1.4 otherwise, but it is certainly true that Cloanto will come after Hyperion if this restriction would not be there and formulated explicitly. Whether you believe that I do not care, but it is precisely the reason why this Eula exists. Go check with Hyperion.


Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.1.4 and WinUAE
Post by: kolla on October 16, 2018, 02:30:52 PM
Then I am sure Cloanto's lawyers will appreciate to know that Hyperion is selling an OS that clearly also targets emulation market, since there is a dedicated kickstart image specified for use with emulators.

The EULA (which is void, since customer must buy the product to get hold of the EULA) says that this version of AmigaOS legally can be installed on any system for which there exists a legal copy of AmigaOS - which in essence means _ANY_ computer in the world.

I suggest you check in with Hyperion yourself.
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.1.4 and WinUAE
Post by: Louis Dias on October 16, 2018, 02:58:33 PM
The way I see it, Hyperion just released AmigaOS 3.1.4.  Cloato can release AmigaOS 3.1.5 and it doesn't really matter.
I could sell printer.device v50 and who could stop me?

...and WinUAE would still run it all...

So write your software.  Choose a "publisher".  Profit.

I mean at this point Microsoft could publish AmigaOS 3.2 considering how much they are embracing Linux...
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.1.4 and WinUAE
Post by: Thomas Richter on October 16, 2018, 03:22:06 PM
I could sell printer.device v50 and who could stop me?
The problem is not the "sell a printer.device v50", the problem is where you take its source code from. If you re-implement from scratch, there is no problem whatsoever. Its yours, you are just implementing an interface, and the interface of the printer.device is not protected. I wrote my own version of "Execute", and provided it for everyone to use on Aminet. No problem with that either. The problem starts as soon as you create a derived work from somebody else's work.
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.1.4 and WinUAE
Post by: Thomas Richter on October 16, 2018, 03:25:13 PM
I suggest you check in with Hyperion yourself.
Kolla, you know only little, and do not know all the backgrounds, and yet play here an armchair lawyer. I suggest to leave this to the professionals. I will stop here, knowing you are just trolling - as always. Reasons have been given, if you do not accept them, this is not my problem. As anyone else, you can go to coart if you want a legally binding answer.
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.1.4 and WinUAE
Post by: Louis Dias on October 16, 2018, 03:43:20 PM
I could sell printer.device v50 and who could stop me?
The problem is not the "sell a printer.device v50", the problem is where you take its source code from. If you re-implement from scratch, there is no problem whatsoever. Its yours, you are just implementing an interface, and the interface of the printer.device is not protected. I wrote my own version of "Execute", and provided it for everyone to use on Aminet. No problem with that either. The problem starts as soon as you create a derived work from somebody else's work.
If only I was younger and didn't grow to hate C/C++ so much...and all the other languages who derived their syntax from it...
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.1.4 and WinUAE
Post by: kamelito on October 16, 2018, 03:58:54 PM
Amiga can soft kick kickstart for ages.
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.1.4 and WinUAE
Post by: kolla on October 17, 2018, 12:36:55 PM
Kolla, you know only little, and do not know all the backgrounds, and yet play here an armchair lawyer. I suggest to leave this to the professionals. I will stop here, knowing you are just trolling - as always. Reasons have been given, if you do not accept them, this is not my problem. As anyone else, you can go to coart if you want a legally binding answer.

Drop the patronising besserwissery - I don't need to do go through "coart", https://ec.europa.eu/consumers/odr/ is the place to go.
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.1.4 and WinUAE
Post by: Gryfon on October 17, 2018, 03:26:53 PM
Confirmed:

I am using 3.1.4 on WinUAE and the UAE4ARM implementation found in Amibian 1.4 for Raspberry Pi and so far both work perfectly.

When I get some time I will install the 3.9 updater-to-3.1.4 which Thomas has kindly uploaded to Aminet.

/TrollBait:ON
I, me, myself am surprised and very pleased with 3.1.4.  Happy to buy it, happy to use it.
I bought OS 4 Classic to use under emulation.
I bought and will continue to buy Amiga Forever.
I will continue to help in the limited ways I can people who develop software, hardware and support this concept I call "Amiga".
/TrollBait:OFF
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.1.4 and WinUAE
Post by: kolla on October 20, 2018, 04:22:25 PM
Looks like my complaint to the European Commission has led to a change - the EULA is now presented to buyers _before_ one can click to buy. Good, getting somewhere.