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Title: AMIStore: Warp3D RadeonHD Southern Islands
Post by: amigakit on April 01, 2015, 03:54:28 PM
New 3D Drivers for AmigaOS 4.1: Warp3D for Southern Islands Graphics Cards
(http://a-eon.biz/images/warp3d.jpg)
A-EON Technology Ltd (http://www.a-eon.com) is pleased to announce that the first release candidate of RadeonHD Southern Islands Warp3D driver is now available to purchase and download from AMIStore (http://www.amistore.net) App Store.  

Following our acquisition of the joint ownership of Warp3D, to complement our ongoing work with the driver for the Evergreen RadeonHD graphics card series, we commissioned AmigaOS graphics specialist Hans de Ruiter to create a Warp3D driver for the newer Southern Islands chipsets.

PDF News Release (click here) (http://www.a-eon.com/PDF/News_Release_Warp3D_SI.pdf)

(http://www.amistore.net/images/available_from_amistore.png) (http://www.amistore.net)

At the heart of the new Southern Island Warp3D driver is the W3D_SI.library which provides 3D graphics acceleration for selected Radeon HD 7xxx and Radeon Rx series graphics cards which include the Southern Islands Graphics Processing Units (GPUs). The driver has already gone through several iterations and has been put through its paces by a core group of dedicated AmigaOS 4 beta testers.


Warp3D-SI Features:

* Supports larger textures (up to 16384x16384 memory permitting).

* Performance is less dependent on resolution than previous drivers, including rendering at HD resolutions.

* Submits vertices to the GPU via vertex buffers rather than directly in the command stream (one of the bottlenecks of the old Radeon drivers).

* Uses the RadeonHD_RM.resource for VRAM allocation, providing more efficient memory management than own system.

* Accumulates small vertex arrays into larger buffers to provide faster performance where lots of tiny render operations are performed

* Doesn't lock the entire graphics system between
3D_LockHardware() / W3D_UnlockHardware(), so an
application or game crash is less likely to freeze the entire system

To complement the development Hans de Ruiter has also updated  MiniGL and at the time of writing version 2.20 was ready for release on Warp3D.

New updated RadeonHD drivers are also being released to coincide with the update. Registered owners can
now download the new versions of 1.4 and 2.7 from AMIstore.

Warp3D RadeonHD Southern Islands Requirements:

An AmigaONE or AmigaOS 4.1 compatible computer with:-

* AmigaOS 4.1 “Final Edition”
* RadeonHD V1.4 or V2.7
* MiniGL - version 2.20 or later

Containing one of the following RadeonHD or Radeon Rx Southern Island graphics cards:

* Radeon HD 7750-7970 series graphics card (excluding the Radeon HD 7790)
* Radeon R7 250X/265 (excluding R7 250)
* Radeon R9 270/270X/280/280X

This version is the first Release Candidate (version 1.9).

With this release A-EON is once again pleased to re-affirm our commitment to providing new and progressive software for AmigaOS and towards our customers.

We would like to thank Hans De Ruiter for his work on this release.

(http://amistore.net/images/a-eon_logo_sm.PNG) (http://www.a-eon.com)

A-EON Technology Ltd
www.a-eon.com (http://www.a-eon.com)
Title: Re: AMIStore: Warp3D RadeonHD Southern Islands
Post by: F1Lupo on April 01, 2015, 04:28:11 PM
from my post at aw.net:

thanks to Hans & A-Eon for every update as it's much appreciated and needed :pint:  :-D

now for a simpleton like me does this mean we can now go back to using full warp3d instead of wazp3d??
Title: Re: AMIStore: Warp3D RadeonHD Southern Islands
Post by: Rob on April 01, 2015, 04:44:28 PM
Quote from: klx300r;787136
from my post at aw.net:

thanks to Hans & A-Eon for every update as it's much appreciated and needed :pint:  :-D

now for a simpleton like me does this mean we can now go back to using full warp3d instead of wazp3d??


Provided you have one of the listed video cards.
Title: Re: AMIStore: Warp3D RadeonHD Southern Islands
Post by: eliyahu on April 01, 2015, 04:52:39 PM
@thread

don't forget to update to the new minigl release if you haven't already (link (http://os4depot.net/?function=showfile&file=driver/graphics/minigl.lha)). i've been fortunate enough to beta test the new W3D software from hans. the wait has been worth it. :)

-- eliyahu
Title: Re: AMIStore: Warp3D RadeonHD Southern Islands
Post by: F1Lupo on April 01, 2015, 05:19:36 PM
Quote from: eliyahu;787142
@thread

don't forget to update to the new minigl release if you haven't already (link (http://os4depot.net/?function=showfile&file=driver/graphics/minigl.lha)). i've been fortunate enough to beta test the new W3D software from hans. the wait has been worth it. :)

-- eliyahu

lucky you I've got a Radeon HD6850 and sadly this release is only for 7 series cards it appears:confused:
Title: Re: AMIStore: Warp3D RadeonHD Southern Islands
Post by: amigakit on April 01, 2015, 06:32:17 PM
@klx300r

This is an A-EON Technology commissioned project.  The brief was given to Hans de Ruiter to develop a 3D driver for the Southern Islands cards.

A-EON has also paid for second driver for Evergreen cards which cover the 5000 and 6000 series.  This is still in development.
Title: Re: AMIStore: Warp3D RadeonHD Southern Islands
Post by: xeno74 on April 01, 2015, 06:45:30 PM
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Title: Re: AMIStore: Warp3D RadeonHD Southern Islands
Post by: Lurch on April 01, 2015, 07:15:52 PM
Well that is good news, a shame older systems are not getting any love. Would love to be able to use my 9800pro in 3d with my Peg2 board under OS4.

But it's great that Warp3D is finally getting some love. Will the OS3.x version also get some updates?

I have a 9200 on my Mediator which would like some support too.
Title: Re: AMIStore: Warp3D RadeonHD Southern Islands
Post by: amigakit on April 01, 2015, 07:20:31 PM
Hi Lurch

I am very much wanting to get Warp3D updates organised for Classic.  We hope to have some news when an agreement with a developer is confirmed.

Dont worry - it is not A-EON's intention to miss out Classic :)
Title: Re: AMIStore: Warp3D RadeonHD Southern Islands
Post by: Lurch on April 01, 2015, 07:24:33 PM
That's good news then :-) Will stay watching, I'm guessing no luck for my Peg2?
Title: Re: AMIStore: Warp3D RadeonHD Southern Islands
Post by: F1Lupo on April 01, 2015, 07:47:20 PM
@ amigakit

good news!

@ xeno74

:)
Title: Re: AMIStore: Warp3D RadeonHD Southern Islands
Post by: djrikki on April 01, 2015, 09:22:48 PM
This is both good news and bad news, on one hand more redundant software becomes available (doors slightly ajar) = good news. On the other hand we are still waiting for Gallium - millions of software becomes available (doors wide open) = bad news.
Title: Re: AMIStore: Warp3D RadeonHD Southern Islands
Post by: apsturk on April 01, 2015, 11:07:02 PM
Thanks and very cool. This made my day :)
Title: Re: AMIStore: Warp3D RadeonHD Southern Islands
Post by: ddniUK on April 01, 2015, 11:20:44 PM
Great news. Got it through Amistore.

Bought myself a RadeonHD R9 270X to celebrate.
Title: Re: AMIStore: Warp3D RadeonHD Southern Islands
Post by: amigakit on April 01, 2015, 11:32:22 PM
@apsturk @ddniuk

Thank you to you both.
Title: Re: AMIStore: Warp3D RadeonHD Southern Islands
Post by: F1Lupo on April 01, 2015, 11:33:26 PM
Quote from: Lurch;787149
..
But it's great that Warp3D is finally getting some love. Will the OS3.x version also get some updates?

I have a 9200 on my Mediator which would like some support too.

I've got a 9250 with 256MB in my 1200T waiting for a very long time for proper Warp3d;)
Title: Re: AMIStore: Warp3D RadeonHD Southern Islands
Post by: Lurch on April 02, 2015, 01:13:35 AM
Quote from: klx300r;787170
I've got a 9250 with 256MB in my 1200T waiting for a very long time for proper Warp3d;)


Extremely long time, and no answer about my poor Peg2. The question always gets a side stepped or ignored.

If they can provide support for classic they must be able to provide support for 9200/9800 on my peg2 under OS4.1.
Title: Re: AMIStore: Warp3D RadeonHD Southern Islands
Post by: eliyahu on April 02, 2015, 01:26:25 AM
@Lurch

the revision of open firmware used by the pegasos2 is unable to correct initialize radeonHD video cards, even using a PCIe-to-PCI adapter. so no radeonHD in the future for us unless someone convinced the bplan guys to help out.

-- eliyahu
Title: Re: AMIStore: Warp3D RadeonHD Southern Islands
Post by: Lurch on April 02, 2015, 01:59:45 AM
Quote from: eliyahu;787177
@Lurch

the revision of open firmware used by the pegasos2 is unable to correct initialize radeonHD video cards, even using a PCIe-to-PCI adapter. so no radeonHD in the future for us unless someone convinced the bplan guys to help out.


Yep I know that, but that's not what I am asking. If they can support a 9200 on classic they must be able to do the same on the Peg2 with the 9800pro.

The 9800pro would be the fastest card for the Peg2.
Title: Re: AMIStore: Warp3D RadeonHD Southern Islands
Post by: eliyahu on April 02, 2015, 02:01:32 AM
Quote from: Lurch;787178
Yep I know that, but that's not what I am asking. If they can support a 9200 on classic they must be able to do the same on the Peg2 with the 9800pro.

The 9800pro would be the fastest card for the Peg2.
ah. sorry about that. i misunderstood your question.

-- eliyahu
Title: Re: AMIStore: Warp3D RadeonHD Southern Islands
Post by: Lurch on April 02, 2015, 04:47:44 AM
Quote from: eliyahu;787179
ah. sorry about that. i misunderstood your question.




But if the firmware could be upgraded I'd be a happy man :-)  Might just sell it, it doesn't get used at all at the moment and I can't see myself spending $1000's on X3500 etc. The Sam boards don't seem to be a real option either performance wise so meh.
Title: Re: AMIStore: Warp3D RadeonHD Southern Islands
Post by: prowler on April 02, 2015, 01:53:31 PM
Quote from: amigakit;787145
@klx300r

This is an A-EON Technology commissioned project.  The brief was given to Hans de Ruiter to develop a 3D driver for the Southern Islands cards.

A-EON has also paid for second driver for Evergreen cards which cover the 5000 and 6000 series.  This is still in development.


Considering I only have a 6800 in my Amiga, I look forward to this eventuating.
Title: Re: AMIStore: Warp3D RadeonHD Southern Islands
Post by: danbeaver on April 20, 2015, 09:35:54 AM
Yeah, I bought and downloaded the Warp3D to go with the updated RadeonHD drivers a while back, but could not find the time to locate a single slot Radeon board that had the correct chip set (http://hdrlab.org.nz/projects/amiga-os-4-projects/radeonhd-driver/radeonhd-driver-hardware-compatibility/).

Finally I just ordered one on the list (VisionTek 7750) for an average price, received it today, plugged it in and booted my A1 X1000 into OS4.1 FE; as is not typical, I did nothing more and fired up QuakeII in miniGL mode and BOOM!  Which is to say it worked beautifully.  No need for changes in monitor setting, nothing else; it just works "out of the box."  Crazy, right?
Title: Re: AMIStore: Warp3D RadeonHD Southern Islands
Post by: Spectre660 on April 20, 2015, 11:07:04 AM
I took a chance on a pair of these a year ago.Would not work with my Sam440ep-flex and my Sam460ex was broken. Once My Sam460ex was replaced months later I was happy to find out that the cards worked.
I put them in storage and used a HD6670 on the Sam460ex as I expected to see Wardp3d support for the HD6670 first.So I was happy at the Warp3d-SI announcement.:)
 
Quote from: danbeaver;788045
Yeah, I bought and downloaded the Warp3D to go with the updated RadeonHD drivers a while back, but could not find the time to locate a single slot Radeon board that had the correct chip set (http://hdrlab.org.nz/projects/amiga-os-4-projects/radeonhd-driver/radeonhd-driver-hardware-compatibility/).

Finally I just ordered one on the list (VisionTek 7750) for an average price, received it today, plugged it in and booted my A1 X1000 into OS4.1 FE; as is not typical, I did nothing more and fired up QuakeII in miniGL mode and BOOM!  Which is to say it worked beautifully.  No need for changes in monitor setting, nothing else; it just works "out of the box."  Crazy, right?
Title: Re: AMIStore: Warp3D RadeonHD Southern Islands
Post by: motrucker on April 20, 2015, 11:27:28 AM
I have a dumb question. If I buy this high end graphics card, for an X1000 Amiga, just what games are supported that make all this worthwhile?
Maybe you can tell I still use Motorola CPUed Amigas.
Title: Re: AMIStore: Warp3D RadeonHD Southern Islands
Post by: danbeaver on April 20, 2015, 11:54:19 AM
Better question: What makes any game worthwhile?
Title: Re: AMIStore: Warp3D RadeonHD Southern Islands
Post by: Spectre660 on April 20, 2015, 12:32:20 PM
Actually for an X1000 or even an A1-500/Sam460ex with the Warps3D-SI driver a RadeonHD 7750 would be considered low end for 3D.When the Warp3D-NI (or whatever it will be called) driver is released then a Radeon HD5450 will be considerd low end for 3D on these machines .
 
Quote from: motrucker;788048
I have a dumb question. If I buy this high end graphics card, for an X1000 Amiga, just what games are supported that make all this worthwhile?
Maybe you can tell I still use Motorola CPUed Amigas.
Title: Re: AMIStore: Warp3D RadeonHD Southern Islands
Post by: danbeaver on April 20, 2015, 12:55:18 PM
Well, my criteria was a single slot board with a supported chip, so I agree it is low end, but everything in MY research with more oomph took up 2 slots.  Needless to say I didn't burden the forums with questions Google could answer.
Title: Re: AMIStore: Warp3D RadeonHD Southern Islands
Post by: motrucker on April 20, 2015, 04:14:55 PM
But, do any games exist to take advantage of it?
Title: Re: AMIStore: Warp3D RadeonHD Southern Islands
Post by: Spectre660 on April 20, 2015, 05:50:29 PM
In Amiga OS 4.1 terms yes.
The Games that work with the older Amiga OS 4.1 machines and Radeon 7000 series and Radeon 9000 series cards and Warp3D now work on the newer machines with the Radeon HD 2D and 3D drivers with the supported Radeon HD SI cards. previously you had to use a Radeon 9200 series pci card in your X1000 for hardware 3D support.The results with the PCI card were not the best .

Quote from: motrucker;788071
But, do any games exist to take advantage of it?
Title: Re: AMIStore: Warp3D RadeonHD Southern Islands
Post by: motrucker on April 20, 2015, 08:10:50 PM
Could you please name some? Maybe not just games too, but serious software that needs this power.
Title: Re: AMIStore: Warp3D RadeonHD Southern Islands
Post by: WeiXing3D on April 20, 2015, 09:02:46 PM
Would this driver wok with a SAM460ex with a Graphics Card: Radeon HD 4650 1GB PCI-E?
Title: Re: AMIStore: Warp3D RadeonHD Southern Islands
Post by: eliyahu on April 20, 2015, 09:07:58 PM
@WeiXing3D

no. you'd need to upgrade to one of these:

* Radeon HD 7750-7970 series graphics card (excluding the Radeon HD 7790)
* Radeon R7 250X/265 (excluding R7 250)
* Radeon R9 270/270X/280/280X

-- eliyahu
Title: Re: AMIStore: Warp3D RadeonHD Southern Islands
Post by: Rob on April 20, 2015, 09:16:40 PM
There's quite a number of games both 3D and 2D that make use of the new Radeon drivers.  Various ports by Huno and Amigasoft as well as various games from Cherry Darling and others.

Serious applications I can think of are Blender and Celestia.