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Title: AROS natively booting on Raspberry Pi
Post by: nicholas on March 15, 2013, 10:58:29 AM
(http://www.imagecheese.net/images/mg2013031.jpg)

Many thanks and congratulations to Kalamatee for all the hard work in getting this to work. :)
Title: Re: AROS natively booting on Raspberry Pi
Post by: gaula92 on March 15, 2013, 11:02:23 AM
YEAHHHHH!!!!!!!

The best OS is now running natively on the Pi!!! I hope we have some software running smothly on it!!! (Giana's Return with music...drool)
Title: Re: AROS natively booting on Raspberry Pi
Post by: rdolores on March 15, 2013, 01:11:42 PM
Quote from: nicholas;729272
(http://www.imagecheese.net/images/mg2013031.jpg)

Many thanks and congratulations to Kalamatee for all the hard work in getting this to work. :)


This will be the cheapest Next-Gen Amiga available today.  Hope it attains the use-ability of the x86 version which is really coming along nicely.
Title: Re: AROS natively booting on Raspberry Pi
Post by: brownb2 on March 15, 2013, 01:26:42 PM
Great news! Where are the boot images available from?

Just a few would likes:

- Considering making Aminet an "app store"
- Ensure a 68K emulator is integrated so the binaries and adfs run natively without setup.
- Ensure PI CPU clock scaling and memory divide settings are available.
- Change the ample character logo, imho it doesn't look very professional...

A hop skip and a jump from this would allow someone to box and sell a theme'd pi case, keyboard, usb hub and mouse case and give it some brand recognition...

I've been lurking and now I'll try AROS out tonight for the first time :)
Title: Re: AROS natively booting on Raspberry Pi
Post by: wawrzon on March 15, 2013, 02:03:13 PM
im only aros68k fan und stick mostly to my genuine amigas, but this is certainly good news for all of us.
Title: Re: AROS natively booting on Raspberry Pi
Post by: Djole on March 15, 2013, 02:27:59 PM
Could this mean aros will be available on other more powerfull arm hardware ? TV-sticks are double the power of raspberry and about the same price. A9 cpu 1,6mhz dual core 1gb android stick is available for around 50usd.
Title: Re: AROS natively booting on Raspberry Pi
Post by: commodorejohn on March 15, 2013, 04:10:00 PM
Quote from: Djole;729287
Could this mean aros will be available on other more powerfull arm hardware ? TV-sticks are double the power of raspberry and about the same price. A9 cpu 1,6mhz dual core 1gb android stick is available for around 50usd.
The problem with ARM hardware is its being always some proprietary SoC that you can never get full documentation for. Even the Pi isn't quite 100% open.

Anyway, kick ass. I'm gonna have to give this a go today :D
Title: Re: AROS natively booting on Raspberry Pi
Post by: gaula92 on March 15, 2013, 04:13:08 PM
Quote from: Djole;729287
Could this mean aros will be available on other more powerfull arm hardware ? TV-sticks are double the power of raspberry and about the same price. A9 cpu 1,6mhz dual core 1gb android stick is available for around 50usd.


I don't think so. Efforts are made on the Pi as it's WAY more popular than the Android stick you mention, often based around not so well documented hardware. Native hardware APIs on the Pi are well known and that makes it a good target for alternative OS porting.
All these sticks have in common with the great Pi is the ARM cpu architecture: the rest of the SOC elements is totally different.
So I believe it won't happen but you guys can prove me wrong. The more the merrier :D
Title: Re: AROS natively booting on Raspberry Pi
Post by: motrucker on March 15, 2013, 06:25:31 PM
I'll be looking into this today. Looks like a great way to use my Pi....
Title: Re: AROS natively booting on Raspberry Pi
Post by: wawrzon on March 15, 2013, 06:37:03 PM
Quote from: motrucker;729304
I'll be looking into this today. Looks like a great way to use my Pi....


dont think the builds are public by now. its kalamatee private tree, until he commits there is nothing to look into.
Title: Re: AROS natively booting on Raspberry Pi
Post by: 4pLaY on March 15, 2013, 08:19:32 PM
Quote from: wawrzon;729309
dont think the builds are public by now. its kalamatee private tree, until he commits there is nothing to look into.


You are correct, this is just from the first time it booted, there is still lots of things to do until this is end user ready.
Title: Re: AROS natively booting on Raspberry Pi
Post by: smartroad on May 29, 2013, 07:08:08 AM
Are there any updates to this? Really like the idea of using a Pi with native AROS.
Title: Re: AROS natively booting on Raspberry Pi
Post by: ognix on May 29, 2013, 09:51:17 AM
Cool! I didn't notice before: having it supported for Amigas, x86 and Raspberry Pi would be great! (lot of work indeed...)
Title: Re: AROS natively booting on Raspberry Pi
Post by: Haranguer on May 29, 2013, 11:08:00 AM
This is the coolest thing I've heard since the X1000 was released :-)  I want one :-)
Title: Re: AROS natively booting on Raspberry Pi
Post by: EvilGuy on May 29, 2013, 12:14:56 PM
That is pretty awesome. What is the performance like on the Pi? The hardware is fairly under-powered for Linux but how does AROS fare?
Title: Re: AROS natively booting on Raspberry Pi
Post by: ChaosLord on May 29, 2013, 03:00:56 PM
I want a Raspberry Pi running AROS!
Title: Re: AROS natively booting on Raspberry Pi
Post by: ChaosLord on May 29, 2013, 03:04:34 PM
Quote from: Djole;729287
Could this mean aros will be available on other more powerfull arm hardware ? TV-sticks are double the power of raspberry and about the same price. A9 cpu 1,6mhz dual core 1gb android stick is available for around 50usd.


Those things never document anything.

Partly because Google only wants ANDROID OS running on everything not some nimble superfast competitor like AROS.

In a different world, computer manufacturers would document things and we could have AROS on those little gizmos.  What a world that would be...

I would luv to write gamez for such things if they ran AROS.
Title: Re: AROS natively booting on Raspberry Pi
Post by: ChaosLord on May 29, 2013, 03:06:11 PM
AROS cartoon logo is 100% ok and nothing wrong with it.
Title: Re: AROS natively booting on Raspberry Pi
Post by: commodorejohn on May 29, 2013, 03:23:30 PM
Quote from: ChaosLord;736305
AROS cartoon logo is 100% ok and nothing wrong with it.
Some people just gripe because they're afraid to embrace their inner furry.

Anyway, is there a public build of this thing yet?
Title: Re: AROS natively booting on Raspberry Pi
Post by: bloodline on May 29, 2013, 03:27:39 PM
Quote from: commodorejohn;736307
Some people just gripe because they're afraid to embrace their inner furry.

Anyway, is there a public build of this thing yet?
No public builds yet, and probably a good thing until ABIv1 has had the bugs ironed out :)
Title: Re: AROS natively booting on Raspberry Pi
Post by: Crumb on May 29, 2013, 06:41:07 PM
@ChaosLord

AROS runs on top of Android, it would be funny to develop basic phone tools like contact list, phone calls, sms/mms messaging and overtake what Java/Android part of those linux do..., gaining battery time and speed :-) Since it would run hosted there wouldn't be need to work a lot in drivers, just making sure that hosted drivers are excellent.
Title: Re: AROS natively booting on Raspberry Pi
Post by: Mrs Beanbag on May 29, 2013, 07:02:08 PM
we have a Raspberry Pi, can't wait to try this
Title: Re: AROS natively booting on Raspberry Pi
Post by: wawrzon on May 29, 2013, 07:14:00 PM
you could also approach kalamatee (nicja) who is doing the port and perhaps help him with testing. the build isnt public as yet, but aros v1 up to date sources are here:
http://aros.sourceforge.net/de/download2.php
(which includes raspi target for sure)

one can try to build it him/herself. the reference in trouble being dev ml:
https://www.hepe.com/mailman/listinfo/aros-dev/
Title: Re: AROS natively booting on Raspberry Pi
Post by: persia on May 29, 2013, 07:44:20 PM
I do like the idea of Android hosted AROS, it makes AmiPads and AmiPhones a distinct possibility....
Title: Re: AROS natively booting on Raspberry Pi
Post by: F1Lupo on May 29, 2013, 07:55:58 PM
tre cool :pint:
Title: Re: AROS natively booting on Raspberry Pi
Post by: tribz on May 29, 2013, 07:56:35 PM
How is it running natively if its running on top of something (android/linux)?
Title: Re: AROS natively booting on Raspberry Pi
Post by: wawrzon on May 29, 2013, 08:05:40 PM
Quote from: tribz;736332
How is it running natively if its running on top of something (android/linux)?

aros can run natively as well as hosted. for instance there is native x86/x64 build as wewll as linux and windows hosted one for the same architecture. aros runs natively on 68k or even ppc line sam series (this broken at this time afaik), there is also hosted arm build, but the current raspi development targets native implementation.
Title: Re: AROS natively booting on Raspberry Pi
Post by: Louis Dias on May 29, 2013, 08:44:50 PM
Now AROS needs a common/universal programming language that can run on any hardware but is powerful enough to create professional software...

Hollywood, perhaps?
Title: Re: AROS natively booting on Raspberry Pi
Post by: nicholas on May 29, 2013, 09:04:12 PM
Quote from: lou_dias;736338
Now AROS needs a common/universal programming language that can run on any hardware but is powerful enough to create professional software...

Hollywood, perhaps?


C.
Title: Re: AROS natively booting on Raspberry Pi
Post by: commodorejohn on May 29, 2013, 09:09:41 PM
Quote from: nicholas;736340
C.
What he said.
Title: Re: AROS natively booting on Raspberry Pi
Post by: goldfish on May 29, 2013, 09:26:49 PM
Cool I have seen a Raspberry Pi image on the broadway site for Aros. I have a Pi so will try this soon and let you know how it goes.

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Title: Re: AROS natively booting on Raspberry Pi
Post by: zylesea on May 29, 2013, 10:07:18 PM
Quote from: nicholas;736340
C.

C is probably not sexy enough. C++ has a bit more public appeal.

What about E - while no industry standard though, stillt rather simple and powerful (from what i heard, never tried it myself).
Also Lua could get some love.
Title: Re: AROS natively booting on Raspberry Pi
Post by: smartroad on August 04, 2013, 09:59:59 AM
Anyone know of any updates to this? Really excited about running AROS on my spare RPi :D
Title: Re: AROS natively booting on Raspberry Pi
Post by: bison on September 05, 2015, 05:58:37 PM
What happened with this?  I just checked the AROS nightly build page and did not see anything for Raspberry Pi.
Title: Re: AROS natively booting on Raspberry Pi
Post by: smartroad on September 05, 2015, 10:05:50 PM
Found one here on the snapshots page on the aros site but it s dated 2013 so maybe it has been dropped?
Title: Re: AROS natively booting on Raspberry Pi
Post by: Terminills on September 05, 2015, 10:11:19 PM
Quote from: smartroad;795049
Found one here on the snapshots page on the aros site but it s dated 2013 so maybe it has been dropped?



It's being worked on still... Last I heard certain parts were being updated in order to properly support the hardware.
Title: Re: AROS natively booting on Raspberry Pi
Post by: bison on September 05, 2015, 11:05:19 PM
Quote from: Terminills;795050
It's being worked on still... Last I heard certain parts were being updated in order to properly support the hardware.
Well that's good to hear.  I've been exploring all things Pi the past week or so; never has $70 caused me so much distraction. :)
Title: Re: AROS natively booting on Raspberry Pi
Post by: XDelusion on September 06, 2015, 03:09:51 AM
My Pi 2 B experience thus far.

Raspian (Debian Distro) runs really well actually, quite well. Web browsing is a little slow, but that aside it leaves me thinking that the Haiku and AROS ports are really going to have room to shine hear... assuming they tackle the video chip and can provide more than crappy Vesa support.

RetroPi is able to run 99% of the Sony games I have thrown at it with no or very very very minimal flaws. I had to tweak a few config files, but once done, I had the perfect PSX (and some) emulation machine.

OpenElec is a tiny linux distro for the Pi that boots into Kodi plays back video at 1080P with no problem. Something that can not be done in Raspian.

Quake 3 runs very very well, Dosbox runs great... I'm saying AROS and MorphOS need to be on here long with Haiku ASAP!!!
Title: Re: AROS natively booting on Raspberry Pi
Post by: Cass on September 06, 2015, 11:20:30 AM
This is a great step forward!
It will be easier to port more and more utilities & programs to ARM AROS. From a user`s point of view, distributions like AmiKIT will be more usefull.
Title: Re: AROS natively booting on Raspberry Pi
Post by: OlafS3 on September 06, 2015, 11:34:43 AM
Quote from: Cass;795087
This is a great step forward!
It will be easier to port more and more utilities & programs to ARM AROS. From a user`s point of view, distributions like AmiKIT will be more usefull.

Amikit will never run on Raspberry except in emulation. Amikit is a 68k distribution needing original files and roms.
Title: Re: AROS natively booting on Raspberry Pi
Post by: Haranguer on December 12, 2015, 11:37:41 PM
Quote from: lou_dias;736338
Now AROS needs a common/universal programming language that can run on any hardware but is powerful enough to create professional software...

Hollywood, perhaps?


The problem with C, C++ & E is that apps written in these languages will need to be recompiled for the target hardware.

Hollywood compiles to a bytecode (a lot like Java) which is interpreted, so doesn't need to be recompiled.  It just needs a player for the target hardware.

Being interpreted, of course, it's a little slower, but it makes up for that by being absolutely gorgeous.

So I must agree with lou_dias.  Hooray for Hollywood.

Oh, and Hollywood apps will run under Windows, Mac OS and Linux as well without re-coding or recompiling.