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Title: Rumor on Windows 7 Price
Post by: smerf on June 21, 2009, 06:07:39 AM
Hi,

I heard a rumor today that leaked out from Best Buy that Windows 7 Home Edition will cost $49 and that Windows 7 Premium Edition will cost $99, this seems like a reversal from Microsoft who usually charges high prices for their operating systems, they are also saying that Windows 7 is the Vista that works.

smerf

rumor read from maximum pc site.
Title: Re: Rumor on Windows 7 Price
Post by: huronking on June 21, 2009, 07:16:57 AM
Can we order the coupon and t-shirt yet?
Title: Re: Rumor on Windows 7 Price
Post by: F1Lupo on June 21, 2009, 07:34:57 AM
Quote from: huronking;512626
Can we order the coupon and t-shirt yet?


....ha ha ha..pretty sure its not vapourware
Title: Re: Rumor on Windows 7 Price
Post by: ElPolloDiabl on June 21, 2009, 07:37:40 AM
Heretic! Proof that he doth serve Satan!
Erm why are you getting so excited about Windows 7. Is it going to revolutionise computing?:roflmao:
Title: Re: Rumor on Windows 7 Price
Post by: stefcep2 on June 21, 2009, 08:07:55 AM
Quote from: Fanscale;512630
Heretic! Proof that he doth serve Satan!
Erm why are you getting so excited about Windows 7. Is it going to revolutionise computing?:roflmao:

You obviusly haven't suffered long enough under vista
Title: Re: Rumor on Windows 7 Price
Post by: X-ray on June 21, 2009, 08:33:00 AM
What is Vista?
Title: Re: Rumor on Windows 7 Price
Post by: Retro_71 on June 21, 2009, 08:34:59 AM
I for one have never installed vista for home or my work PC's  still use XP, and it is true that Windows 7 uses the Vista core :( if the RC is anything to go by. It's an ok OS but i am not really blown away by it unless there are going to be heaps of changes from the RC to retail version. BUT at least its better then Vista :D. (although that not saying much.......  :) )
Title: Re: Rumor on Windows 7 Price
Post by: Ni72ous on June 21, 2009, 10:31:38 AM
Quote from: stefcep2;512633
You obviusly haven't suffered long enough under vista


Vista aint that bad, maybe was in early revisions, but sp1 upwards are ok
Title: Re: Rumor on Windows 7 Price
Post by: the_leander on June 21, 2009, 10:35:18 AM
Quote from: smerf;512624
they are also saying that Windows 7 is the Vista that works.


Certainly from all of the reports I'm reading by folks using 7, that seems to be pretty much the consensus. I've also heard it said that 7 is the OS Vista should have been.

It aparently works quite nicely on netbooks by all accounts (something that could not be said of Vista).
Title: Re: Rumor on Windows 7 Price
Post by: Karlos on June 21, 2009, 11:11:49 AM
Vista isn't so bad most of the time. It's only a pain when run it :lol:

Seriously though, I don't have most of the problems Vista users seem to complain about. This is probably a consequence of the fact that I don't use it for anything except gaming. I disabled just about every non essential service (including themes). What I have, looks pretty much like Win2K.

The most annoying things I'd say I'd encountered with Vista are

1) Vista likes to guess which folder view you prefer, even when you tell it you want a basic list only. The moment any sort of media file ends up in a folder it suddenly tries to get all clever and switch to a media centric view with ratings, meta information about the media etc. Not a lot of fun when it's a folder cram full of source code with a test sound file or something.

2) Vista's update manager. For some reason (though I managed to disable this one), when it gets a critical update, Vista wants to reboot your machine. It pops up a dialogue and you can postpone it. However, here's the rub. The dialogue doesn't tend to be visible when you are in the depths of the capital wasteland.

3) Vista's image viewer. It's crap. It doesn't seem to let you view at 1:1 size most of the time.

As for boot times and performance, I can't really complain. It's slower to boot than linux on the same machine, but one it's up it is fine. I've played fallout 3 at 1680x1080 many times, wondered why my hard disk is making a noise and discovered it's running a defender or antivirus sweep. You can't tell any other way as there's no observable slowdown.
Title: Re: Rumor on Windows 7 Price
Post by: juan_fine on June 21, 2009, 12:18:03 PM
I've been using 7-64 for the past month or so, and I'm quite impressed. Vista had some major problems, at least in the betas, with multiple monitors, which was a show stopper for me. Windows 7 has resolved that, as well as a lot of the driver issues that plagued Vista.
Title: Re: Rumor on Windows 7 Price
Post by: bloodline on June 21, 2009, 12:38:54 PM
Quote from: Karlos;512650
Vista isn't so bad most of the time. It's only a pain when run it :lol:

Seriously though, I don't have most of the problems Vista users seem to complain about. This is probably a consequence of the fact that I don't use it for anything except gaming. I disabled just about every non essential service (including themes). What I have, looks pretty much like Win2K.



I have XP on my Mac (under boot camp) for the sole purpose of gaming... but now I've adopted a policy of only buying games that have Mac versions... Which has worked out to be much more economical :lol:
Title: Re: Rumor on Windows 7 Price
Post by: whiteb on June 21, 2009, 01:06:01 PM
I have Windows 7 RC (7100) on my Laptop, which came Pre-Installed with Crapista.  1GB of ram (2x512 Dual channel) Dual core CPU, and it LLLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGED !!!

Windows 7 has been GREAT.  But hey, This is Microsoft.

They had 98 (Then 98SE) which was the one to use, then they released Windows ME, which... well, everyone laughed at it.  Or at least I did.

XP came out, which was what Windows ME Should have been.

Then came Vista, and it was 98 Versus ME all over again... WHY !?!?!?!?!?!?!!

Now they bring out Windows 7, which, I agree, is WHAT VISTA SHOULD HAVE BEEN.  It loads fast, windows open fast, it does not leak memory like a sieve.  But this is Microsoft..., they will NEVER learn and totally Phark up the next release.
Title: Re: Rumor on Windows 7 Price
Post by: stefcep2 on June 21, 2009, 01:33:42 PM
I have no choice but to use Vista on my HP notebook;  lack of XP drivers, have not found ONE Linux distro that has drivers fro all my hardware
Title: Re: Rumor on Windows 7 Price
Post by: Karlos on June 21, 2009, 02:18:38 PM
Quote from: stefcep2;512679
I have no choice but to use Vista on my HP notebook;  lack of XP drivers, have not found ONE Linux distro that has drivers fro all my hardware


You must have a pretty weird laptop then. My brothers dual core Acer boots fedora 9, 10 and ubuntu 8.10 from a pen drive without any problems. The display, removable media, wireless and built in LAN all worked.

Sometimes you don't get particular drivers out of the box though. It doesn't mean they don't exist, you just have to install them yourself. Of course, if the missing driver is for your network hardware then you do have a bit of a problem :lol:
Title: Re: Rumor on Windows 7 Price
Post by: amiga92570 on June 21, 2009, 03:29:01 PM
They should give Windows 7 away to all the people who purchased Vista.
Title: Re: Rumor on Windows 7 Price
Post by: RMK305 on June 21, 2009, 05:11:21 PM
I heard that Windows 7 will automatically download and install updates and wont notify you that it has done so.  I'll just stick to XP thanks.
Title: Re: Rumor on Windows 7 Price
Post by: Argo on June 21, 2009, 05:24:01 PM
I'm running the Win7 RC on my main computer and an older Athlon 2100 with 2GB Ram. It works great on both. Fast and responsive, very noticable change from Vista. I'd say it is comparable in speed to XP on my older computer but more responsive.
Title: Re: Rumor on Windows 7 Price
Post by: spookyx on June 21, 2009, 05:28:30 PM
Quote from: RMK305;512739
I heard that Windows 7 will automatically download and install updates and wont notify you that it has done so.  I'll just stick to XP thanks.



me too,  I am gonna wait until windows 20 comes out to switch

:D
Title: Re: Rumor on Windows 7 Price
Post by: quarkx on June 21, 2009, 06:20:00 PM
I have been Beta testing Windows 7 since the beginning. Biggest fail of it is no "Classic" View, so finding anything is close to impossible. Still can't find how to shut the touch pad off. Once the RC is over, I will be going back to XP.
Don't get me wrong 7 is a 1000% improvement over VISTA, but Windows 3.1 is an improvement over VISTA.
Title: Re: Rumor on Windows 7 Price
Post by: ElPolloDiabl on June 21, 2009, 06:24:13 PM
I think Steve Jobs decribed M$ best... "They have no taste."
They are good at doing functions, (take into account they also developed OS2) but easy to use OS for them is a hit and miss affair.
Title: Re: Rumor on Windows 7 Price
Post by: quarkx on June 21, 2009, 06:27:02 PM
Quote from: stefcep2;512679
I have no choice but to use Vista on my HP notebook;  lack of XP drivers, have not found ONE Linux distro that has drivers fro all my hardware


HP has ALL the XP drivers out for their notebooks, you just have to hunt them down. Usually, you look for a similar hardware notebook model with XP. It does take a lot of hunting, but it can be done. I have successfully "downgraded" at least 20 different HP notebook models to XP.I have spent up to a week hunting drivers, but ALL HP (and any) notebooks can be done, you just have to put in the time.
When a SALESMAN tells you you can't run XP on a machine, he is flat out lying to you.

90% of my business at my computer store was downgrading Vista to XP.
Title: Re: Rumor on Windows 7 Price
Post by: juan_fine on June 21, 2009, 06:40:41 PM
Quote from: RMK305;512739
I heard that Windows 7 will automatically download and install updates and wont notify you that it has done so.  I'll just stick to XP thanks.


pure FUD
Title: Re: Rumor on Windows 7 Price
Post by: AmigaHeretic on June 21, 2009, 07:08:58 PM
Quote from: smerf;512624
Hi,

I heard a rumor today that leaked out from Best Buy that Windows 7 Home Edition will cost $49 and that Windows 7 Premium Edition will cost $99, this seems like a reversal from Microsoft who usually charges high prices for their operating systems, they are also saying that Windows 7 is the Vista that works.

smerf

rumor read from maximum pc site.


This seems inline with the way it's always been.

First, I'm guessing those are of course the upgrade prices, not the full retail.  Which, having worked at bestbuy a few years ago, customer always got confused on.  XP was $99 ($199 for the full box),

I'm guessing it's likes this...

Windows 7 Home Premium == Windows XP Home -- $99 upgrade box ($199 for full)
Windows 7 Ultimate/Business == Windows XP Pro -- $199 for upgrade box($299 for full)

The $49 ($149 for full) Windows 7 Home (again I'm sure that the upgrade box) is probably just stripped down version that no one will want.

This is pretty much the same model as Vista too (again the Vista Home version was stripped down and didn't even have Aero! hence the only place it was really used was the lowest end eMachines)

This pricing seems exactly the same to me.
Title: Re: Rumor on Windows 7 Price
Post by: adonay on June 21, 2009, 07:37:43 PM
Seems the price will be more fair if the same as the one quted at top however i wont go for windows 7 for some time .. Running win 7 RC on one computer and Vista on the other has shown me that i prefere the gaming performance in vista much better. Keep in mind that win7 is still in beta "may become better" but if you think it will run GREAT on your 6 year old hardware since vista could not you are sadly mistaken ... I also tried win7 on my old barton 2400XP amd computer and it was 4 times slower in some tasks that xp thats for sure as i did bechmark it for a week and a half before going back to xp on that computer... Personally i think a newer os should have new hardware in these days so i have never really had any problems with vista. ''for me it works much better for gaming than 7RC that on a core i7 with 6gig mem


Quote from: Karlos;512650
Vista isn't so bad most of the time. It's only a pain when run it :lol:

Seriously though, I don't have most of the problems Vista users seem to complain about. This is probably a consequence of the fact that I don't use it for anything except gaming. I disabled just about every non essential service (including themes). What I have, looks pretty much like Win2K.

The most annoying things I'd say I'd encountered with Vista are

1) Vista likes to guess which folder view you prefer, even when you tell it you want a basic list only. The moment any sort of media file ends up in a folder it suddenly tries to get all clever and switch to a media centric view with ratings, meta information about the media etc. Not a lot of fun when it's a folder cram full of source code with a test sound file or something.

2) Vista's update manager. For some reason (though I managed to disable this one), when it gets a critical update, Vista wants to reboot your machine. It pops up a dialogue and you can postpone it. However, here's the rub. The dialogue doesn't tend to be visible when you are in the depths of the capital wasteland.

3) Vista's image viewer. It's crap. It doesn't seem to let you view at 1:1 size most of the time.

As for boot times and performance, I can't really complain. It's slower to boot than linux on the same machine, but one it's up it is fine. I've played fallout 3 at 1680x1080 many times, wondered why my hard disk is making a noise and discovered it's running a defender or antivirus sweep. You can't tell any other way as there's no observable slowdown.


Most of therse problems are in win7 as well .. Atleased nr 2 has become worse.
Title: Re: Rumor on Windows 7 Price
Post by: Argo on June 21, 2009, 07:40:29 PM
Quote from: RMK305;512739
I heard that Windows 7 will automatically download and install updates and wont notify you that it has done so.  I'll just stick to XP thanks.


I've been using it since the beta and never had that happen.
Title: Re: Rumor on Windows 7 Price
Post by: Karlos on June 21, 2009, 07:46:24 PM
Well, at least there's one place where AmigaOS wins hands down:

(http://extropia.co.uk/img/mac_pc.jpg)
Title: Re: Rumor on Windows 7 Price
Post by: Retro_71 on June 22, 2009, 01:00:10 AM
For gaming Vista and Win 7 maybe ok but for business i will still use XP and i have XP running on AMD's, Dual Core's, Quad Core's and I7's and its still does the job very well (unless ofcourse dumb users get in the way :) ).
AS for it updating without telling you, and you having no choice that is incorrect, just like xp and vista i have set it up to ask me what to download and install (although if u choose to download you don't get the option to install it, it will auto install).
I am thinking of moving my Work PC's onto Linux after XP become not viable to install on new PC's (although I am a linux newb... :D ).
Anyway win 7 still has a long way to go and if i do decide to buy it i would probably wait for a SP1 release.
Title: Re: Rumor on Windows 7 Price
Post by: AmigaHeretic on June 22, 2009, 03:08:35 AM
Wake me up when there's good reason to upgrade from ME.  :)
Title: Re: Rumor on Windows 7 Price
Post by: quarkx on June 22, 2009, 03:41:03 AM
IF MS had Any Brains over there in Redmond, they would be hard at work Upgrading the XP kernal instead of flogging this crap that nobody likes (or at least putting an XP GUI on it, and making everyone's life easier)
Title: Re: Rumor on Windows 7 Price
Post by: Trev on June 22, 2009, 04:08:39 AM
Quote from: smerf;512624
I heard a rumor today that leaked out from Best Buy that Windows 7 Home Edition will cost $49 and that Windows 7 Premium Edition will cost $99, this seems like a reversal from Microsoft who usually charges high prices for their operating systems, they are also saying that Windows 7 is the Vista that works.


With Apple selling the next Mac OS upgrade at $29, Microsoft is going to have seriously rethink its consumer pricing structure, if only to save face.
Title: Re: Rumor on Windows 7 Price
Post by: mdwh2 on October 04, 2009, 10:13:31 PM
Quote from: Trev;512842
With Apple selling the next Mac OS upgrade at $29, Microsoft is going to have seriously rethink its consumer pricing structure, if only to save face.
That's an upgrade price though, and IIRC only from the most recent version of OS X - how much does it cost altogether?

Also it's irrelevant for 90+% of the market, who aren't going to rush out and buy a Mac (and even if they did, the cost of switching would be much higher). From a matter of principle, we might as well say that AmigaOS only costs £30 or whatever it is :) A better comparison would be pointing out that Linux is free, which is a concern for them on netbooks, although Linux has been around and free for years, and hasn't put a great dent in Windows's market share.
Title: Re: Rumor on Windows 7 Price
Post by: swift240 on October 04, 2009, 10:25:17 PM
Is this another version of a bug ridden, crap riddled windows?
From microshit?
Title: Re: Rumor on Windows 7 Price
Post by: Tension on October 04, 2009, 10:55:18 PM
Quote from: swift240;524727
Is this another version of a bug ridden, crap riddled windows?
From microshit?


:)
Title: Re: Rumor on Windows 7 Price
Post by: Tension on October 04, 2009, 10:59:44 PM
Quote from: whiteb;512673
I have Windows 7 RC (7100) on my Laptop, which came Pre-Installed with Crapista.  1GB of ram (2x512 Dual channel) Dual core CPU, and it LLLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGED !!!

Windows 7 has been GREAT.  But hey, This is Microsoft.

They had 98 (Then 98SE) which was the one to use, then they released Windows ME, which... well, everyone laughed at it.  Or at least I did.

XP came out, which was what Windows ME Should have been.

Then came Vista, and it was 98 Versus ME all over again... WHY !?!?!?!?!?!?!!

Now they bring out Windows 7, which, I agree, is WHAT VISTA SHOULD HAVE BEEN.  It loads fast, windows open fast, it does not leak memory like a sieve.  But this is Microsoft..., they will NEVER learn and totally Phark up the next release.


AmigaOS3.9 is what AmigaOS3.5 should have been.   :)
Title: Re: Rumor on Windows 7 Price
Post by: Hell Labs on October 05, 2009, 11:25:04 PM
Quote from: mdwh2;524726
That's an upgrade price though, and IIRC only from the most recent version of OS X - how much does it cost altogether?

The only protection OS X has is the honor system. It's the only part of their software that doesn't work.:roflmao:
Title: Re: Rumor on Windows 7 Price
Post by: save2600 on October 06, 2009, 03:42:21 AM
Quote from: swift240;524727
Is this another version of a bug ridden, crap riddled windows?
From microshit?

When or what was the last OS Micro$oft "produced" that not even the LCD (least common denominator) hasn't complained about? '98? or 3.1? Oh... and lest we forget Windows 2000, or WinBlows professional? lol

As far as I'm concerned, AmigaOS3.9 or the last decent Micro$oft OS? Same bat time, same bat channel.

Same with MacOS. Should have stopped at 10.4 (Tiger, Panther, Jaguar, Lynx - whatever the cat name designation was). At least their OS's are just NOW starting to take a dive. Which makes them oh, what... 11 years beyond Micro$oft's last usable OS?   lol
Title: Re: Rumor on Windows 7 Price
Post by: jj on October 06, 2009, 11:36:23 AM
Well I paid £80 for Windows 7 Pro, which was a pre-order price
Title: Re: Rumor on Windows 7 Price
Post by: ZeBeeDee on October 06, 2009, 11:57:35 AM
Quote from: JJ;524841
Well I paid £80 for Windows 7 Pro, which was a pre-order price

Same here ... Was a registered beta tester for Winblows 7 as well - Shame M$ doesn't give it's testers freebies as a thank you.
Title: Re: Rumor on Windows 7 Price
Post by: StormLord on October 06, 2009, 12:10:05 PM
Quote from: Karlos;512760
Well, at least there's one place where AmigaOS wins hands down:

(http://extropia.co.uk/img/mac_pc.jpg)



well, thats not full true,
I'm posting this from a G4@466 running leopard, its almost a 10 years computer (2000)
the OS is quite responsive without turning off any of the effects, ofcourse I can't watch youtube videos without frame skipping but thats not an OS problem.
Title: Re: Rumor on Windows 7 Price
Post by: DonnyEMU on October 06, 2009, 12:17:38 PM
Since someone asked about pricing (This is USA pricing):

I will respond with what I know..

Check out the Microsoft Store Pre-order prices:

http://store.microsoft.com/microsoft/Windows-Windows-7/category/102

DreamSpark (Download Microsoft Software for free if you are a student (that's right FREE)

https://www.dreamspark.com/default.aspx

Microsoft Web Developer Free  Software for Web Developers (including a production web server requires you to pay a program fee $300 after 3 years)

http://www.microsoft.com/web/websitespark/default.aspx

http://windowsteamblog.com/blogs/windows7/archive/2009/07/31/windows-anytime-upgrade-and-family-pack-pricing.aspx

The Windows 7 family Pack (available October 22)

The Windows 7 Family Pack consisting of Windows 7 Home Premium for installation on up to 3 PCs.

Today, most homes have more than one PC in them. When you run Windows 7 on more than one PC on a home network, you can do more with features like HomeGroup. HomeGroup allows people to connect to PCs on their network and share files, music and photos with the whole family – easily. The Windows 7 Family Pack is an easy and affordable way to get all your PCs in your household running Windows 7 through licensing to install Windows 7 Home Premium on up to 3 PCs.

The Windows 7 Family Pack will be available starting on October 22nd until supplies last here in the US and other select markets. In the US, the price for the Windows 7 Family Pack will be $149.99 for 3 Windows 7 Home Premium licenses. That’s a savings of more than $200 for three licenses.

Family pack in the EU Pricing:

http://windowsteamblog.com/blogs/windows7/archive/2009/08/24/update-on-windows-7-in-europe.aspx

As far as I know the $49 dollar deal was a pre-order upgrade deal (check out this link: http://www.foxbusiness.com/story/personal-finance/lifestyle-money/personal-technology/microsoft-allow-pre-orders-windows--upgrade/) in other words buy this before launch..

Most people I know get it free with their MSDN/Technet/Partner Program membership or free to academic programs..

Oh and for the record everyone on the "SMALLER" Tech beta, got a copy of Windows 7 for free.. In other words anyone could download it, but if you were actually filing bug reports etc. You could get it for free.. I just don't want people thinking that because they got a beta to review, that meant they were actually on the tech beta..  Bug reports actually require you to do a lot more work, than a crash report by the way..

If you signed up for the Windows 7 launch events in the USA you get a free copy of Windows 7 Ultimate as well..

For those looking to update from Windows XP simply use the XP Windows Easy Transfer Option to move your software and settings..

The procedure is detailed here..

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd446674%28WS.10%29.aspx#BKMK_UpgradeFromXP
Title: Re: Rumor on Windows 7 Price
Post by: DonnyEMU on October 06, 2009, 12:19:27 PM
Snow Leopard no longer runs on non-Intel Mac hardware by the way.. The G4/G5 Macs are officially "HISTORY"..
Title: Re: Rumor on Windows 7 Price
Post by: RedskullDC on October 06, 2009, 12:35:23 PM
Suspect that most people will choose the "freely downloadable" option when it comes to Win7....