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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: asian1 on July 28, 2003, 02:04:22 PM
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Hello
According to Mr Fleecy Moss answer on PolarBoing.Com,
Mr McEwen cann't attend AmiWest because the security
of his family is in Jeopardy.
Any idea about this Jeopardy? Is this REAL or
just a "smoke screen", similar to explanation
about Amiga Inc's phone and fax problem in 2002?
There are rumors in Netherland that several drug
lords are using Venture Capitals companies for
money laundering. Is this rumor related to
the Jeopardy?
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Last I heard was that he had a court date for the same day as AmiWest. Everyone (A.Inc and the relevent people) knew months before that he had this court date and everyone also knew that he didn't have to be at court so he wasn't going to be there.
Some people are saying one thing and other people are saying another, now the same people are changing their story.
It's difficult who to believe.
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Where's that answer? I remember hearing that on the UGN stream, and tekmage seemed a bit confused. Didn't MikeB say something a bit like that as well? :-?
From A inc's previous form, I don't accept this without more evidence.
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> Hello
> According to Mr Fleecy Moss answer on PolarBoing.Com,
> Mr McEwen cann't attend AmiWest because the security
> of his family is in Jeopardy.
Physical security or financial security?
I don't believe it, if it's true I would have called the police, and wouldn't even have mentioned it to anyone. Anyway how is staying home safer than being at a public event?
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>Where is the message
Perhaps you can go to http://www.ann.lu and search
for post by Nicomen/N. Mendez.
Someone in http://os.amiga.com said that McEwen
receive death threat to his family if he attend
AmiWest. IF THIS IS TRUE, perhaps he can hire
bodyguards or contact local police.
If he is too afraid to leave his house or his
family, how can he work/function as Amiga
Inc's CEO/Director/leader?
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> IF THIS IS TRUE, perhaps he can hire
> bodyguards or contact local police.
Perhaps? Of course the police should be contacted.
> If he is too afraid to leave his house or his
> family, how can he work/function as Amiga
> Inc's CEO/Director/leader?
Well, considering they have no offices, would it make any difference?
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Hello
Several people have doubt about McEwen family.
On last year interview with Microsoft, Mr McEwen
mention his son.
Search key: "Bill McEwen" "my son" Microsoft
on google.
Is this dead threat a real threat?
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> Is this dead threat a real threat?
who knows?
There was another rumor floating around that Bill was trying to raise funds for the trip, and couldn't afford it. I don't know what to believe.
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Yea, and his phones were war-dialed too!
(Ugh, not this #### again)
I'll take dying bankrupt companies for 400 Alex...
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Hello
I have 5 predictions about the REAL situation and
I hope NONE is correct:
1. Mr McEwen try to avoid going to the court and
cite security reason to the judge and Amiga
community.
2. Mr McEwen is under great stress and afraid
to go out of his house. He suffer a paranoia
and afraid someone may try to kill him or
his family. This person is actually DOES NOT
EXIST.
3. Mr McEwen borrow money from loansharks or
mob related investors. Perhaps the mobs are
sending debt collectors to terror him.
4. A Really CRAZY Guy is stalking Mr McEwen
and other Amiga Inc employee to get data for
extortion or his website.
5. Mr McEwen had run away to Bermuda,
Mexico or other countries with Amiga Inc' money.
The above are only prediction / imagination,
and I hope NONE is correct.
Can Mr McEwen and Mr Fleecy Moss clarify / explain
about the Jeopardy?
How long will Mr McEwen hide from the community?
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You know, I don't have any idea why Bill is “in hiding” as some here put it. What I find particularly sad is the manner in which the community has treated him; and particularly the fact that they just can't understand why he doesn't seem to want to be around them. It's like a mugger who can't understand why people stay away from them.
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Technically everything that McEwen has *is* in jeopardy, because he had another court date on Friday for yet another pissed off, unpaid employee (Matt Fontenot).
If he showed up, he will only have stated "we have no money, but real soon now" (like he has with every single case so far that has gone to trial). If he didn't, Matt will have gotten a default judgment against Amiga Inc for the full amount.
So.... In a very real way, McEwen's livelyhood (and that of his family -- even if that's just his wife) *is* in jeopardy. Their "lives" are not in jeopardy however, so this is yet another situation where it'd probably just be best if "Fleecy" either shut up, or told the truth.
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Frankly none of you know diddly about the situation, its veracity or not. I agree with Billsey.
I have discovered that a few high profile Amiga Inc people **have** called in the police. AFAIR it was the police who advised him not to attend in the first damn place and this was explained to me LONG before you guys even started discussing it or a public announcement was made.
I was on #morphos yesterday and Bill Buck was relaying something about Bill McE's state of health being quite poor now. Not bloody surprising all the stress he is under.
Now you might not agree with him, or what he has done, but you can sure as hell hold fire and let the appropriate authorities deal with it like they are supposed to ( legal system ) and stop jeering from the sidelines like Life Of Brian extras.
In fact that more I find out about the situation ( through Rich and a few others who know and have done their homework ) the more I feel sorry for the whole bloody lot of them. That includes Fontenot, Peck, McEwen and Peake.
There is no reason why you should take what I am saying as primary, secondary or as any kind of truth just accept there might be an alternative reason these things are going on and that you might one day regret piling on reams of cyberscorn.
The people that work for Amiga Inc are very very bright people, they may not be business geniuses by a long way but there is an awful lot of this that is not of their own making from what I have found out. I suggest you all put in some internet hours investigating it for yourselves rather than just what you get spoon fed by Rich. You might be surprised at what you come across. I was.
Sure its good to be a cynic, but sometimes you have to consider all the alternatives - not just the negative ones.
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When I saw the title of this thread the first thing that popped into my head was:
"I'll take Retro Computer Systems for 100 Alex!"
Siggy.
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I agree with you DaveP for the most part... I think making it personal against Amiga.inc people is wrong, his family/life/etc is none of our business. I for one dont like Amiga.inc but it by no means says I have anything against the people of Amiga.inc... I wish them well and if Bill McEwan is in bad health I hope this Amiga.inc fiasco gets put behind him and he moves on to greener pastures and prospers... or he finds a way to turn his lot with Amiga.inc around somehow... I for one think this 'personal' crap is sick and should stop right now... supposition/lies/innuendo/etc ... if even one part of it turns out to be bogus it relinquishes your credibility and makes ya look stupid...thats why all in all its best to stick to the facts and not get personal.
I do have to edit my post...as I've seen Gary's and it sheds some light for me... he definitly COULD have made a phone appearance... he CHOSE not to do that... that makes it looks pretty BAD for them.
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I'll take dying bankrupt companies for 400 Alex...
Yep... When I read "McEwen in Jeopardy" I thought.... What, is he trying to raise money? ;-)
When McEwen was offering to pay Fontenot's back pay after the next "funding round," maybe he was hoping to find the Daily Double?
:-D
I'll be here all week. Try the clams.
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AFAIR it was the police who advised him not to attend in the first damn place
I wonder why he didn't participate via telephone, as Alan Redhouse did, then. As I recall, the announcement that he would attend was made seemingly rather hastily as a response to the uproar about Garry Hare possibly being AI CEO instead of Bill McEwen. It seemed Bill was going to AmiWest at least in part to show that there was no management crisis at Amiga, Inc. The cancellation, under admittedly curious circumstances, has now only compounded that impression. A telephone interview could have been made safely enough, I would think. Why couldn't he just relay over the phone whatever it was he was going to say in person in Sacramento? I do hope his health isn't so poor that he can't even manage that. Surely, if it were, some arrangements could be made for an interim CEO.
I was on #morphos yesterday and Bill Buck was relaying something about Bill McE's state of health being quite poor now. Not bloody surprising all the stress he is under.
That's for sure; hopefully a path can be found out from under all the burdens and he can regain his health and start getting his life back in order.
Sure its good to be a cynic, but sometimes you have to consider all the alternatives - not just the negative ones.
One problem is that it's difficult to fathom what could be a positive alternative, as we think about what's going on with Amiga, Inc. these days. Maybe there is a positive story there somewhere, but if so, it's pretty well hidden. What I've always thought is that Amiga management should level with us. Their PR has always been handled badly; one way to try to get past this stage is, I think, to stop attempting to keep erect the facade of everything still on track when obviously they are in rather desperate straits. As your comment about Bill Buck suggests, even adversaries seem to be more compassionate when they know the truth. I was hoping AmiWest might give Bill McEwen a chance to set the record straight, to say things have been done badly but here's a course for the future. Unfortunately, instead we have more rumors and no doubt will continue to get skeptical comments from one side and over-the-top denials and defensiveness from the other.
-- gary_c
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. A telephone interview could have been made safely enough, I would think.
Possibly, but as I nor you are privy to the workings of his mind it seems a bit unfair to even speculate.
I think, to stop attempting to keep erect the facade of everything still on track when obviously they are in rather desperate straits.
I don't think Amiga Inc denies that its AmigaDE project is not on track. They may do, I have little interest. The OS4 and A1 project are not really directly their responsibility.
As your comment about Bill Buck suggests, even adversaries seem to be more compassionate when they know the truth.
Where was the compassion bit?
Unfortunately, instead we have more rumors and no doubt will continue to get skeptical comments from one side and over-the-top denials and defensiveness from the other.
And Im sure we will continue to get nasty, vicious comments from one side and accurate but ignored ( because its less fun ) comments from the other.
;-)
Dave.
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And Im sure we will continue to get nasty, vicious comments from one side and accurate but ignored ( because its less fun ) comments from the other.
Sure... Like the hordes jumping in concerning all negative Amiga Inc events not happening, which turned out to be true.
The problem is: when you choose to follow the track of deception, and when you lie too much, even if you tell the truth it will be received with cautious suspicion the least.
It's still the case with this "jeopardy" thing for me. And however honestly I'd like to believe you, when all of you deny to give details (but instead rumour that some MorphOS fans threatening his life like on Ann) I just cannot. Sorry.
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It's still the case with this "jeopardy" thing for me. And however honestly I'd like to believe you, when all of you deny to give details (but instead rumour that some MorphOS fans threatening his life like on Ann) I just cannot. Sorry.
Where was that then? I don't see anyone saying that he has been threatened by MorphOS fans over and above the silly custard pie plan rumour - that was hardly life threatening.
No, this is far more serious and you might ponder on who has gone silent on these message boards recently.
Regards
Dave.
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No, this is far more serious and you might ponder on who has gone silent on these message boards recently.
Can't you be a little more clear instead of the continuous hinting?
When strange people call McEwen house late at night and scare the #### out of his daughter, this tells me enough. The lenghts some people have gone through to destroy Amiga Inc since day one is almost unbelievable. IMO all these efforts still points to the same group of people.
Like this. Mike B polluted the thread in his previous comments with references to BB's "little army".
Who are the "same group of people" you are accusing? And why are you each time I ask for it refuse to give straight answers?
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Warface wrote:
No, this is far more serious and you might ponder on who has gone silent on these message boards recently.
Can't you be a little more clear instead of the continuous hinting?
No.
When strange people call McEwen house late at night and scare the #### out of his daughter, this tells me enough. The lenghts some people have gone through to destroy Amiga Inc since day one is almost unbelievable. IMO all these efforts still points to the same group of people.
Like this. Mike B polluted the thread in his previous comments with references to BB's "little army".
Who are the "same group of people" you are accusing?
You will have to ask MikeB that, I am not MikeB nor do I have any contact with him over and above when we come across each other on message boards.
And why are you each time I ask for it refuse to give straight answers?
The answers are straight, just incomplete. In fact the same thread on ANN someone posted a pretty accurate analysis of who it was.
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And Im sure we will continue to get nasty, vicious comments from one side and accurate but ignored ( because its less fun ) comments from the other.
Dave,
Since you weren't there at AmiWest, I certainly cannot expect you to understand what I am about to say... There are NO "sides".
I certainly have earned my share of raking Amiga Inc over the coals, and to be honest, before meeting him, I was -- shall we say -- less than impressed with Ben Hermans yet he, his team, and my team (which had not yet been announced) were able to sit at breakfast Friday morning and enjoy just being Amiga users without reservation or hatred. The fact is, both teams found ourselves to be in almost 100% agreement wherein Amiga Inc's situation is concerned.
In fact, most of my team went off with Ben's to the local electronics store for an apparent shopping spree.
(I know Downix brought back two large bags and was wanting to go back for more.)
In the end, all things considered, we each have our jobs, and our specific points of view but there is no reason for the continued hatred and division being shown on the forums.
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Dave,
Since you weren't there at AmiWest, I certainly cannot expect you to understand what I am about to say... There are NO "sides".
Of course I bloody understand. I think Gary_C would get what you have quoted. Look back at what he said, he characterised one side this way and the other side that way - so I characterised it another way. Consider it a little game no harm done. It even had a smiley to underline it. One like this one ;-)
When I refer to "blue camp" or "red camp" or "sides" I am always being slightly sarcastic. I have posted time and time again about the petty schoolyard gang culture that has developed and how pointless and petty it is. Seems people just remember me for other things.
In the end, all things considered, we each have our jobs, and our specific points of view but there is no reason for the continued hatred and division being shown on the forums.
Nothing I have ever disagreed with. Hopefully other people start to get it through their thick heads soonest.
Regards
Dave.
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The people that work for Amiga Inc are very very bright people, they may not be business geniuses by a long way but there is an awful lot of this that is not of their own making from what I have found out.
Hmmm....
"The Amiga as a platform is dead."
Sometimes I just have to cry myself to sleep.
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Hmm, one of those threads where everyone claims to know the 'inside story' and where 99% of people really don't know what's going on. Guys, pray continue! It's really quite entertaining!
I bet Bill McEwen is actually a secret agent but is currently being held captive by terrorists!
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Nothing I have ever disagreed with. Hopefully other people start to get it through their thick heads soonest.
You have been coming off as very abrasive and confrontational lately Dave, what's up?
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by DaveP on 2003/7/30 9:36:15
The people that work for Amiga Inc are very very bright people,
Let's think about that statement for a moment. These are the same "bright" people that told us Amiga OS is dead and DEad would be the new OS that replaces it? So are they indeed bright people who knownly lied to us or idiots who didn't do their homework with Tao to find out there was no chance in hell of it becoming a stand alone desktop?
So are you correct or incorrect, Dave?
Dammy
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@redrumloa
Nothing, should there be? Or maybe you are, how shall I say, filling your own emotions into my words as someone so articulatly described on ANN.
Regards
Dave.
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DaveP wrote:
@redrumloa
Nothing, should there be? Or maybe you are, how shall I say, filling your own emotions into my words as someone so articulatly described on ANN.
Regards
Dave.
Then so do I. I wonder if we two are the only ones noticing it, and warning you about.
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Well Ive had this long conversation with you over PM Warface about things like this, and actually reading what people say and even the fact that people tend to have a strange reaction when they see a certain nick that they otherwise would have had.
Now "warning" me aside ( exactly what are you offering to do if I ignore your "warning" ), I tell you again, as I told you in PM, I tell it how I see it.
You may not like what I say, that is your perogative, but you have to ask yourself is that because of me, the message or of how you have chosen to digest it?
Please go ahead, provide proof that I am indeed some "naughty boy" who is being extra nasty. I don't recall posting that frequently in Amiga.org for quite a while so maybe you have just forgotten quite how blunt I can be.
If you can tell me how I can make the same message easier on your ears, I'll take it into consideration.
TTFN
Dave. ;-)
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No way, If you are aware of what you do, then you are free to do. I just wanted to underline that you've changed.
The messages you tell are not much different to my like than the old ones :-) The way you tell em has changed. A bit more cynical maybe?
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by asian1 on 2003/7/28 15:04:22
Hello
According to Mr Fleecy Moss answer on PolarBoing.Com,
Mr McEwen cann't attend AmiWest because the security
of his family is in Jeopardy.
Any idea about this Jeopardy? Is this REAL or
just a "smoke screen", similar to explanation
about Amiga Inc's phone and fax problem in 2002?
There are rumors in Netherland that several drug
lords are using Venture Capitals companies for
money laundering. Is this rumor related to
the Jeopardy?
Sorry but . . .have you "double checked" the news before posting?
Could be a sad misunderstanding, but there is a quiz show called "Jeopardy" with a guest called Mark McEwen. Look at:
http://www.sonypictures.com/tv/shows/jeopardy/mini_sites/archive_header/index.html?/tv/shows
/jeopardy/mini_sites/jeopardy_archive/events/celebrity/celeb.html
Could be?
Ciao
-edit erm . . .sorry for that bullshit.
jeopardy= sinonimous of danger/pericolo
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Lets say, with a bit less patience than I used to. :-) I have a better perspective these days on the value of investing time in certain aspects of life.
In all seriousness, if there is a point that you think I am making in such a way that is overtly aggressive or likely to make a person with a certain viewpoint come out in a rash please do PM me. :-) I have been known to modify words significantly in past after having been tipped off that it didn't come out exactly in the way I intended.
In this case, as far as I am aware, I stand by what I said and the appropriateness of my reaction to what I percieve as Waynes misunderstanding of the seriousness of that section of the thread. :-)
Note, in England, "of course I bloody do" shows minor amused exasperation and "thick heads" shows a similar context. At least where I was brought up.
If I said "you f*king knobend" and "dense c**ts" then I could understand the concern. But I never said nor thought those things.
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This is all very strange.
Personally, I feel that the whole Amiga Inc. situation is very suspicious. It sounds strange that Bill McEwen should have recieved a death threat - for all I know, even persons like Bill Gates and Steve Ballmer are safe to attend various events :-)
Then there's the thing with the auction, the who-is-CEO debacle, huge financial troubles etc.
All this could be rumours, lies, truth and everything inbetween. But the fact that Bill McEwen hasn't been seen for quite some time (IIRC, he has declined/missed other Amiga shows before) does insinuate that something fishy is going on. The only persons you keep hearing about are the ones from Hyperion and Eyetech - which is good, because they're the ones who actually PRODUCE something.
Amiga Inc. starts to feel more and more like some kind of fraud underground company and IMHO the Amiga IP would be better off in the hands of a joint venture between Eyetech and Hyperion - at least we know that these companies exist ;-)
(edit: grammar)
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carls wrote:
Amiga Inc. starts to feel more and more like some kind of fraud underground company and IMHO the Amiga IP would be better off in the hands of a joint venture between Eyetech and Hyperion - at least we know that these companies exist ;-)
Exactly what I've been saying all along... :-(
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Apparently Bill McEwen did turn up at court that weekend, which more than adequately explains why he was not at Amiwest.
He knew about the court date a long time before he announced his attendance, but if I recall correctly before he lost the Bolton Peck case.
Moving onto the jeopardy, who knows what that meant: but he has been ordered to pay some thousands of dollars in one court case (as above), so one can only assume he went to court in order to make sure he had a chance of putting his side across, and not putting himself in more *financial* jeopardy.
Being ordered by a court that you owe more money than most Americans earn in a year would be, in my mind, jeopardy enough to try not to have it happen again, wouldn't you say?
I would please ask people to leave the guy alone now. I'm sure he has been through enough, and if it happened to you, you would not want it being dragged around the world as rumours and conjecture.
This isn't Enron, this isn't Iraq, this is one guy's life you're muddying, for no reason other than your own amusement, and I think that's sickening enough.
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This is the same old/same old, of course.
Amiga, Inc. fans, their latest ploy is just to come up and say
isn't it time to give them a break?
Answer: NO
There is a little thing that people do sometimes called declaring
bankruptcy. If Amiga, Inc. has to do it, then they have to do it.
Thats what you do when you can't pay your bills...you don't lie about
it, you don't continue to try and sell very expensive products into
a market, knowing that people may lose every cent they invest.
But for as long as they maintain the charade, there is no reason
to start cutting them a break.
They haven't changed any. They are the same people. What they did, they
don't apologize for...and in fact, they really operate the same way today,
as they always did. They haven't learned any lessons at all.
There is no reason to give them a break today. When they change, the
situation will change. Until that day...we are still moving along.
I don't feel sorry for Bill McEwen in the slightest...his latest
communication was just another lie...I will be at AmiWest.
I will feel very sorry for Bill McEwen, when he resigns and when Amiga, Inc.
declares bankruptcy...then they can have all the sympathy they want. But
if you are trying to generate sympathy for a company that is unbent, unwilling
to change, continuing with the same dishonest practices today that they tried
yesterday.....well...don't hold your breath.
They day he said he said he would be at AmiWest,
I read it as, 'I have a reason to say I will be at AmiWest'
(to dispell CEO change rumors)...so I'm saying this thing....but of course,
his word obligates him to do nothing. "I knew many months before it happened"
SO DID WE ALL. WHO DIDN'T KNOW....gosh it was quite obvious just something
that was said in a time of need, and you have to go around pretending there
might be some tiny chance that anything he says might be true, because
there are enough AmigaINC fans around that you have to give that up....but inside
you want to scream, OF COURSE ITS JUST ANOTHER THING BEING SAID..
If one lie doesn't work, lie again. The last thing said always might be true!!!!
You can always say in hindsight, the man lies repeatedly, but AmigaINC fanatics
just won't let you say the next lie is out there...you don't know what you are
talking about, they say! But things go on in secret, they say!
LOL....its just time to put 2 and 2 together, you know.
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@Neko,
The voice of reason, from a most unexpected source. Thank you. I agree and would ask the moderators to consider closing this thread.
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Neko wrote:
Apparently Bill McEwen did turn up at court that weekend, which more than adequately explains why he was not at Amiwest.
He knew about the court date a long time before he announced his attendance, but if I recall correctly before he lost the Bolton Peck case.
Moving onto the jeopardy, who knows what that meant: but he has been ordered to pay some thousands of dollars in one court case (as above), so one can only assume he went to court in order to make sure he had a chance of putting his side across, and not putting himself in more *financial* jeopardy.
Being ordered by a court that you owe more money than most Americans earn in a year would be, in my mind, jeopardy enough to try not to have it happen again, wouldn't you say?
I would please ask people to leave the guy alone now. I'm sure he has been through enough, and if it happened to you, you would not want it being dragged around the world as rumours and conjecture.
This isn't Enron, this isn't Iraq, this is one guy's life you're muddying, for no reason other than your own amusement, and I think that's sickening enough.
Well, frankly, I don't care about Mr McEwan. I do care that a company he owns(?)/runs(?) has locked out a Tradmark that should be owned by a more worth while company.
BTW, Who/what is "Genesi UK"?
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@Wayne
"There are NO 'sides'. "
Perhaps the next step would be to understand how the warm fuzzies could be translated into working together strategically to capture market share and revenue.
With all the sniping and ill will that's gone on over the last few years, it's clear that few people have had the business savvy or common sense to understand that we're fighting an uphill battle here and it's not between Genesi and Hyperion. A lot of talent, time and money is being invested trying to one-up the Joneses.
The Linux world has changed the way we look at operating systems. Give away the basic tools and charge for hardware, applications and services. Where is the Amiga market segment? Arguing over which memory segmentation algorithm is better for lines and boxes demos.
Use this as an opportunity. Cooperate. Compete. For all of us.
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This thread does seem to have that goolish, dancing on someone's grave feeling so i will lock it.
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ne_one wrote:
@Wayne
"There are NO 'sides'. "
Perhaps the next step would be to understand how the warm fuzzies could be translated into working together strategically to capture market share and revenue.
With all the sniping and ill will that's gone on over the last few years, it's clear that few people have had the business savvy or common sense to understand that we're fighting an uphill battle here and it's not between Genesi and Hyperion. A lot of talent, time and money is being invested trying to one-up the Joneses.
The Linux world has changed the way we look at operating systems. Give away the basic tools and charge for hardware, applications and services. Where is the Amiga market segment? Arguing over which memory segmentation algorithm is better for lines and boxes demos.
Use this as an opportunity. Cooperate. Compete. For all of us.
COUGH OpenAmiga COUGH