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SAMs 440/460
« on: January 25, 2011, 02:42:24 PM »
I notice sams are out of stock everywhere. Any have updates on the 460ex??

I sold some junk on ebay now I'm like mmmm save up for a 460ex to play with or buy another upper receiver and build a new FN-FAL...

I had thought the 460ex was going to hit in january some time...
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Re: SAMs 440/460
« Reply #1 on: January 25, 2011, 03:44:09 PM »
testers have had their boards for a few months now so we should be expecting a press announcement soon hopefully. I know Hans has completed new pci-e drivers for AmigaOS4.1u2 & that's great news !
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Re: SAMs 440/460
« Reply #2 on: January 25, 2011, 03:53:43 PM »
I have a bunch of newegg parts lined up (sata card with correct chipset, radeon 4650 low profile, 2gb sodimm, sata hd, sata cd/dvd burner..) just doing the should I shouldnt I thing right now...
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Re: SAMs 440/460
« Reply #3 on: January 25, 2011, 04:02:13 PM »
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I notice sams are out of stock everywhere. Any have updates on the 460ex??

I sold some junk on ebay now I'm like mmmm save up for a 460ex to play with or buy another upper receiver and build a new FN-FAL...

I had thought the 460ex was going to hit in january some time...


Ya know, that is interesting. People boast "I won't pay that money for outdated hardware. blah blah..." Yet, they are gone! Sold out, they could have made more money but there is not enough product for the demand. Maybe an over estimation.

Still, there appears to be some discrepancy in what Amiga users say they will pay and what they actually do.
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Re: SAMs 440/460
« Reply #4 on: January 25, 2011, 04:35:17 PM »
I can very truthfully say I have and will  not pay that sort of money for a Sam board when for a fraction of the cost I can and have got a mac mini which is more powerful (not as expandable I admit) and run a better next gen AmigaOS in the form of MorphOS
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Re: SAMs 440/460
« Reply #5 on: January 25, 2011, 04:51:20 PM »
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Still, there appears to be some discrepancy in what Amiga users say they will pay and what they actually do.


I think its more that there is a number of loud mouthed non-amiga  users (people that would never purchase a new amiga), then there us real Amiga users who put our money were our mouths are and buy Amiga products that meet our needs.

The questions I asked myself before purchasing my sam440 Amiga and OS4.1 was would it be faster than my existing Amiga solution and did the price seem fare for what I would be getting and the amount of use I would get out of it.  I decided the answer was yes to both questions and made my purchase which I am still happy with today a few years later.

Is my sam440 as fast as my desktop PC I purchased at the same time?  No but its completely silent and has seen a massive amount of use playing back my music while I read, work on my PC and do other stuff as well as running OS4 and other Amiga applications.

Yes I could get a cheaper mp3 player or just use my PC, but my sam440 boots much quicker and uses less power and does not generate the same background noise as my desktop PC, so as an Amiga user its a solution that works for me :-)
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Re: SAMs 440/460
« Reply #6 on: January 25, 2011, 04:51:22 PM »
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I can very truthfully say I have and will  not pay that sort of money for a Sam board when for a fraction of the cost I can and have got a mac mini which is more powerful (not as expandable I admit) and run a better next gen AmigaOS in the form of MorphOS

Yeah, I'm looking at new parts for my Powermac. I already have a Soundblaster Llive, an Nec based 2.0 card, now I want to upgrade from a Radeon 9200 to a 9100 and add an SATA controller.

For the price of a bare SAM, I could buy two completely outfitted Mac.
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Re: SAMs 440/460
« Reply #7 on: January 25, 2011, 04:58:57 PM »
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I can very truthfully say I have and will  not pay that sort of money for a Sam board when for a fraction of the cost I can and have got a mac mini which is more powerful (not as expandable I admit) and run a better next gen AmigaOS in the form of MorphOS
An equally valid solution to running Amiga software.  I just don't like it when people say they are Amiga users but have no interest in supporting on going development by purchasing any of the products they ask to have developed.

If I did not have a sam440 already and had the money I would be thinking about buying a macmini and a morphos licenses instead.  

Not because the macmini is faster but because you can no longer purchase the mini-itx version of the sam440 and all I wanted was a small fast Amiga solution to play my music and run current Amiga software faster than my BlizzardPPC A1200 tower and in my opinion MorphOS and OS4 both meet my needs equally well.
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Re: SAMs 440/460
« Reply #8 on: January 25, 2011, 05:05:58 PM »
If I wanted a macmini or powermac I'd get one. I've run morphos on efika. I'm not interested in another lowspec box with radeon9250 with 32mb memory when I can put a radeon hd 4650 1gb on the sam and run 2gb ram. macmini needs a better video card and it would be really sweet.

this is just for hobby, so if I was not gonna build a sam I'd be building a semi automatic rifle. shrugs, 99% of my time would still be spent on my quad core 16gb ram dev workstation.
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Re: SAMs 440/460
« Reply #9 on: January 25, 2011, 06:45:36 PM »
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I'm not interested in another lowspec box with radeon9250 with 32mb memory when I can put a radeon hd 4650 1gb on the sam and run 2gb ram. macmini needs a better video card and it would be really sweet.

Interestingly this "low spec" mac mini is faster than SAM 460. Oh and it does 3D, too.

I have to agree that the 64MB VMEM models are preferable however.
 

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Re: SAMs 440/460
« Reply #10 on: January 25, 2011, 07:22:38 PM »
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Interestingly this "low spec" mac mini is faster than SAM 460. Oh and it does 3D, too.


I'd rather have a slightly slower cpu with more ram and better video card and more bandwidth. Its still a 1ghz ppc460 with fpu, just lacking altivec :)

how many windows can morphos do for composition/3d with a 32mb radeon 9250 vs a radeonhd 4650 1gb on my sam build amigaos 4.1 when your running a 1920x1200 screen?

333mhz DDR PC2700 vs 533 mhz DDR2 PC4200...

that 'faster' mac mini has a lot of deficiencies vs the sam 460 board.

the sam460 fpu is no match for having altivec instructions tho...
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Re: SAMs 440/460
« Reply #11 on: January 25, 2011, 08:05:44 PM »
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I'd rather have a slightly slower cpu with more ram and better video card and more bandwidth. Its still a 1ghz ppc460 with fpu, just lacking altivec :)

how many windows can morphos do for composition/3d with a 32mb radeon 9250 vs a radeonhd 4650 1gb on my sam build amigaos 4.1 when your running a 1920x1200 screen?

333mhz DDR PC2700 vs 533 mhz DDR2 PC4200...

that 'faster' mac mini has a lot of deficiencies vs the sam 460 board.

the sam460 fpu is no match for having altivec instructions tho...

You should post some numbers for real tasks on that sam, then we can start making comparisons. There's more to a CPU than GHz alone, and video cards also need drivers to use their features.
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Re: SAMs 440/460
« Reply #12 on: January 25, 2011, 08:06:17 PM »
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I'd rather have a slightly slower cpu with more ram and better video card and more bandwidth. Its still a 1ghz ppc460 with fpu, just lacking altivec :)

Not only it is lower MHz, it's also slower per MHz. Even Pegasos2 G4 is faster than SAM 460, and that's before altivec, and Mac Mini G4 is considerable faster than Pegasos 2.

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how many windows can morphos do for composition/3d with a 32mb radeon 9250 vs a radeonhd 4650 1gb on my sam build amigaos 4.1 when your running a 1920x1200 screen?

It's only limited by the amount of fast memory. Why are there such limitations in OS4 anyway?

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333mhz DDR PC2700 vs 533 mhz DDR2 PC4200...

That's about the only thing where Sam460 is faster. However, it doesn't compensate for slow CPU performance.

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that 'faster' mac mini has a lot of deficiencies vs the sam 460 board.

Quite the contrary. 460 has a lot of deficiencies over the Mac Mini with 7447. It's rather curious considering Mini is a lot older technology. I guess it's due to the fact that all these AMCC CPUs really are souped up PowerPC 440.

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the sam460 fpu is no match for having altivec instructions tho...

Even without the altivec the 460 is already slower.
 

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Re: SAMs 440/460
« Reply #13 on: January 25, 2011, 08:06:44 PM »
I would buy a sam 460 if I could afford it. It would work mostly as a hobbyist machine nonetheless. It all depends on what you want to do with it. And yes, it is an expensive hobby!!
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Re: SAMs 440/460
« Reply #14 on: January 25, 2011, 08:19:06 PM »
@ JJ, Iggy, & Piru

yaya we know you MOS guys like playing with old Macs now come on guys give it a break would ya...geez :(
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