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The "Not Quite Amiga but still computer related category" => Amiga Emulation => Topic started by: dammy on October 28, 2007, 10:55:48 AM
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Thanks to another donation by DiscreetFX (http://www.discreetfx.com/) of $500, TeamAROS (http://www.teamaros.org)' EUAE Integration bounty (http://thenostromo.com/teamaros2/?number=7) is now over $2080. Thanks DiscreetFX!
So who wants the bounty? :-D
Dammy
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all i can say is that i want that integration and i would also love the money but i would never get near such an advanced project :-p Wonder if i should donate as well :-D
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Well i made a (small) donation as i see this bounty as one of the most important for getting AROS into the interest of more people. When this is completed it will be HUGE!
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It would be very exciting to see this happen. It gets my vote.
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The completion of this bounty will make AROS bigger than MorphOS.
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It would make AROS more or less "The New Classic Amiga". :-D I for one know that I would dedicate a computer to run it.
I've been meaning to donate to this bounty for a long time, but never got around to it. :-( Besides, it's starting to look like no-one will take on the challenge no matter how much money is put on the table. :-o
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Someone will take it.
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Maybe it just needs a little "kickstart?"
@ Dammy
Has TeamAROS considered defining the task a little more? Looking at the bounty, it only states the requirements. Has AROS considered defining the obsticles, and possibley the tasks needed to get the job done?
Maybe it's not enough just to encourage someone with money? :) Maybe a few more clues might help too? The more, the merrier?
Just a thought...
Ed.
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Besides, it's starting to look like no-one will take on the challenge no matter how much money is put on the table.
Actually, after DiscreetFX announced they were going to donate $1K, I started to get some feedback on the bounty. Evilrich was suppost to do this bounty last XMas. Last I talked to him, he said he wanted to do the bounty but he required sufficient free time for it which had didn't have at the moment.
Since then, we've about doubled the bounty. Now interest has finally started beyond Evilrich's interest.
Dammy
TeamAROS (http://www.teamaros.org)
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Has TeamAROS considered defining the task a little more? Looking at the bounty, it only states the requirements. Has AROS considered defining the obsticles, and possibley the tasks needed to get the job done?
The orginal bounty was far more general then it's current form. The current description was haggled over with EvilRich who wanted more specifics on what EUAE integrated with AROS would have to do. For the most part, we rather have the Dev decide what the best way to do it. He does have the option in asking the aros-dev ML on input if he is not sure which would be best.
Dammy
TeamAROS (http://www.teamaros.org)
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come on people donate the big dollars, aros need it and we need it also!! :-)
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I agree! Come on people get donating! This will be huge!!
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I finally donated. :-)
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How close are we to making AROS easy to install? :) Right now it makes IRIX look easy!
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gdanko wrote:
How close are we to making AROS easy to install? :) Right now it makes IRIX look easy!
Isnt that hard with the new Installer.
The only Bug I know of, is that you have to quit wanderer after starting the Installer, or the partitioning will fail.
If you do that, it should work fine.
Read the Installer test:
Aros Show (http://arosshow.blogspot.com/)
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madsjm wrote:
I finally donated. :-)
My donation looked a bit puny, so I added the rest of my Paypal funds.
Dammy: Can you change my name/id on the donation page to something shorter, like madsjm or Mads M?
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@ Dammy:
For the most part, we rather have the Dev decide what the best way to do it. He does have the option in asking the aros-dev ML on input if he is not sure which would be best.
Of course, and I wasn't suggesting that you should tell the dev what to do. I was suggesting that maybe TeamAROS should make some _suggestions_ on how it might be approached. Consensus can build confidence, and AROS discussing an approach might give that confidence to someone actually give it a try.
But I'm just thinking out loud here. :)
Ed.
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I was glad to be of service Dammy.
:-)
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After reading the bounty description I have a suggestion, why not change the title from "UAE integration" to "68k JIT"? At least when I read UAE the first thing that comes to mind is running some good ol' classic amiga games; but from the description I think the idea is that it works like OSX Rosetta by using the AROS api (instead of loading a legacy kickstart ROM) and recompiling on the fly 68k instructions to run application software. If people have in mind a window inside AROS running an ocs/ecs/aga virtual machine that can share the clipboard, CD-ROM, hard disk, ethernet, etc. maybe that should be called "UAE integration Phase II: Legacy Virtual Machine"
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little wrote:
After reading the bounty description I have a suggestion, why not change the title from "UAE integration" to "68k JIT"?
Would it be able to run any classic games, then? Or at least WHDLoad?
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Ok, now I'm really interested. I have a list of what's needed to make it work.
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downix wrote:
Ok, now I'm really interested. I have a list of what's needed to make it work.
You are going to start development? Cool! Keep us updated
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The first step would be an utility that creates/mounts adf/hfs files natively in AROS. :-)
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I took the description to mean that yes, classic games should run, but that getting classic games to run is not enough. After all, UAE can already do that. The integration part is in making the applications launch directly, without having to run a UAE front end first. It should just look like a native app.
It should also be further enhanced for workbench applications by allowing windows to open directly to the workbench, and use local resources.
So, I didn't take the bounty as doing less than UAE, but doing everything that UAE does plus some extra stuff.
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I took the description to mean that yes, classic games should run
What part of it? The text uses the word "apps" once and "application" twice and mentions four application software programs by name, but there is not even one mention of the word "game" or a game name in the whole text. Maybe AROS developers also had games in mind, but then they should update the bounty page (http://thenostromo.com/teamaros2/?number=7) text.
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little wrote:
I took the description to mean that yes, classic games should run
What part of it? The text uses the word "apps" once and "application" twice and mentions four application software programs by name, but there is not even one mention of the word "game" or a game name in the whole text. Maybe AROS developers also had games in mind, but then they should update the bounty page (http://thenostromo.com/teamaros2/?number=7) text.
I think application is being used as a general word meaning program. After all the title says 'UAE Integration' - UAE runs Amiga 68k games.
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I think application is being used as a general word meaning program
Does saying "Santa is going to get you some cool application software this christmas" sounds right to you? Unless said kid gets giddy thinking about the newest version of excel, it does not make sense if you are thinking about games.
After all the title says 'UAE Integration' - UAE runs Amiga 68k games.
Rosetta is an OSX integrator, but any games that talked directly to the hardware will fail (since Mac games are in color they seldom do that, quite the opposite of amiga games where games seldom do not talk directly to the hardware).
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little wrote:
Does saying........... yawn
Remind me why you are being so pedantic again? If UAE integration does not mean one game will work then it isn't UAE intergration. UAE emulates Amiga hadware - not just the hardware for 'applications' to work. I'm sure the bounty was worded as such without games mentioned to stop people saying "Oh I will only donate if SWOS will work" or another million or so games. Now stop being pedantic and donate some money!!!!
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@little
For Games, UAE Integration is pointless.
You can already play them using UAE in the usual way.
You probably think of double clicking an adf file and the game starts ?
UAE Integration is meant this way:
You Double Click a 68k Application, and it directly starts in an UAE Window and behaves more or less like a native AROS Program.
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Why are people thinking games = full screen program that has no interaction with the file system / OS?
If i play a game where I could normally save my progress to the HD then i would want that from the UAE integration. And what about Workbench games?
I want to be able to fire up AROS, double click on the Syndicate icon, Syndicate load and then, load my save game from my AROS partition.
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Remind me why you are being so pedantic again?
Because as more money is donated chances are that someone that has not read this board (or any amiga related board) in years might do this bounty and if people are thiking that reading minds is part of any software major then they are in for an unpleasent surprise.
Now stop being pedantic and donate some money!!!!
Now that technique of fundraising is new to me, what is next? beating me senseless with a Bill McEwen announcement and searching my pockets while I am defenseless? :-o
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we have whdload so we dont need adf anymore.... whdload is like haveing the game installed on your hd :) now stop arguing and start donating and working with the integration :)
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For Games, UAE Integration is pointless.
Hear, hear!
You probably think of double clicking an adf file and the game starts ?
More like "double clicking an adf file and it mounts so I can execute/install the application" since application software for the amiga was mostly distributed in floppies, hence the usefulness of an option to mount adf files as virtual floppies.
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little wrote:
Now that technique of fundraising is new to me, what is next? beating me senseless with a Bill McEwen announcement and searching my pockets while I am defenseless? :-o
lol! No this way you are more likely to get a tangible product/item!!
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Expect a major announcement from TeamAROS (http://www.teamaros.org) on 2007-11-05. :devildance:
Dammy
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Someone added $12? Hardly a major announcement :)
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So does Richard D. = downix
or another developer?
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So am I missing something or has the big news not been announced yet? :-?
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So does Richard D. = downix or another developer?
I won't do a news announcement till the bounty's script is fixed ("open" flag is suppost to be "assigned" flag) sometime today. For those who want to know who Richard D. (http://www.rcdrummond.net/uae/) is. :devildance:
Dammy
TeamAROS (http://www.teamaros.org)
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Will we get a list of what features Richard D. will do? Seems like everybody is reading something else into the Bounty description...
Does/will it need an "official" eg. OS 3.x version to run 68k apps and does it have custom chip emulation?
Will it be compatible with games that are started from WB or through WHDLoad? Time to play UFO Enemy Unknown again... :-D
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Does/will it need an "official" eg. OS 3.x version to run 68k apps and does it have custom chip emulation?
Until someone does the two kickstart bounties, you will need Cloanto's AF cd for OS/kickstart.
Dammy
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Will the 'official' announcement be today?
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Will the 'official' announcement be today?
News submitted to AO and AE as well as Moo. So it's a question of when the respective Admins approve the story and publish it.
Dammy
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So, what's the status on this one? :-)
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how much money would be needed by an ex community member coder to be interested? i wonder if any ex amiga coders who've jumped ship and doing nothing could be contacted?
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@monami: The bounty was already assigned, and the deadline is May 4th 2008 (yesterday).
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expect it to be available soon as an open bounty. Apparently nothing was done and the person who was assigned on it never contacted anyone for any status. So there you have it.... :getmad:
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expect it to be available soon as an open bounty. Apparently nothing was done and the person who was assigned on it never contacted anyone for any status. So there you have it....
Pretty much sums it up. Very disappointed in this, I would have thought the developer would had at least answered my request for information and told me he was no longer interested. Once TeamAROS moves to Power2people.org, I may put in a request to modify the terms with mandatory monthly status updates if there isn't active blog.
Dammy
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Wasn't it assigned to the same person who ported EUAE to AROS? :-?
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Will a TOSEC ROM work? ;)
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I'm very disappointed in this as well. I really hope someone with the skill will pick this up.