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Re: Video: AROS 68K Booting
« Reply #59 from previous page: November 24, 2010, 12:30:22 PM »
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Comparing it to "real AmigaOS" performance at the current stage makes no sense at all.


The funny part is that long term it might be perfectly possibly to make AROS faster than AmigaOS. We can easily build versions with compiler optimizations targeting each individual m68k model, for example. We can draw on years and years of experience with different tradeoffs - such as knowing that on some machines using the CPU will often be far faster than using the blitter.

And as Cosmos has been demonstrating with his patched graphics.library, there's tons of parts of AmigaOS that are not perfectly optimized as is. AROS will let anyone optimize parts of it, starting from a far easier basis (make changes to the C first, fall back on inline asm if/when it makes a difference) and without any copyright issues.

AROS will take a while to reach parity in terms of performance. But long term, it really only depends on to what extent people cares.
 

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Re: Video: AROS 68K Booting
« Reply #60 on: November 24, 2010, 12:54:01 PM »
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Nothing like the real AmigaOS.The backporting of Aros to 68k shows how Aros is slow as any other actual operating system, sure it flys on super duper multi GHZ monster but is not as responsiveness as origunal OS on very, very limited hadrware.AmigaOS classic still rules!!!!


Thanks for your enthusiasm and positivity in comparing an unoptimised barely-weeks-old port to very mature, but closed, software.
 

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Re: Video: AROS 68K Booting
« Reply #61 on: November 24, 2010, 01:03:48 PM »
Is there a projected date (or even a guesstimate) for an actual release of AROS 68K, don't wish to sound ungrateful or anything but I've begun to wonder recently why we are all still waiting around for things like AROS, the X1000, Natami or MiniMigAGA to actually appear.

I mean all these years of wishful thinking and still believing that one day something great (despite all the vapourware and broken promises of the past)  or even just something new or different will happen with the Amiga is finally starting to wear a bit thin (even for someone as dedicated as myself).  The human lifespan is quite short and limited and it would be nice to see just one of these great projects finally come to fruition before some of us old fogies finally shut down for the last time... :)
 

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Re: Video: AROS 68K Booting
« Reply #62 on: November 24, 2010, 01:05:56 PM »
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Is there a projected date (or even a guesstimate) for an actual release of AROS 68K, don't wish to sound ungrateful or anything but I've begun to wonder recently why we are all still waiting around for things like AROS, the X1000, Natami or MiniMigAGA to actually appear.

I mean all these years of wishful thinking and still believing that one day something great (despite all the vapourware and broken promises of the past)  or even just something new or different will happen with the Amiga is finally starting to wear a bit thin (even for someone as dedicated as myself).  The human lifespan is quite short and limited and it would be nice to see just one of these great projects finally come to fruition before some of us old fogies finally shut down for the last time... :)


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Re: Video: AROS 68K Booting
« Reply #63 on: November 24, 2010, 01:11:49 PM »
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Thanks for your enthusiasm and positivity in comparing an unoptimised barely-weeks-old port to very mature, but closed, software.


Hey!! do not be so agressive, it is only a comment of my feeling when see the video But do no get wrong I want Aros to be  successful as well as AmigaOS and MorphOS. I am a multicolour fan ;-) (before anybody make the joke, no, it has nothing to do with gay flagship)
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Re: Video: AROS 68K Booting
« Reply #64 on: November 24, 2010, 01:16:12 PM »
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Hey!! do not be so agressive, it is only a comment of my feeling when see the video But do no get wrong I want Aros to be  successful as well as AmigaOS and MorphOS. I am a multicolour fan ;-) (before anybody make the joke, no, it has nothing to do with gay flagship)



Well, now you come to mention it your avatar is a tad homo-erotic.
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Re: Video: AROS 68K Booting
« Reply #65 on: November 24, 2010, 01:28:17 PM »
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Well, now you come to mention it your avatar is a tad homo-erotic.


Erotic, yes, but for girls ;-) it was an avatar that i used when i was on a online Radio. were fun days. I was missing a SAM2 like software for the Amiga to not have to use windows but well, this is another story
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Re: Video: AROS 68K Booting
« Reply #66 on: November 24, 2010, 01:30:24 PM »
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Erotic, yes, but for girls ;-)

I'm sure well-built men are just as capable of giving gay guys the vapours too ;)
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Re: Video: AROS 68K Booting
« Reply #67 on: November 24, 2010, 01:34:23 PM »
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I'm sure well-built men are just as capable of giving gay guys the vapours too ;)


Methinks the lady doth protesteth too much! ;)
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Re: Video: AROS 68K Booting
« Reply #68 on: November 24, 2010, 01:40:07 PM »
Is he/she one of those Spanish Lesbo's thingy's I read about here... :)
 

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Re: Video: AROS 68K Booting
« Reply #69 on: November 24, 2010, 01:59:28 PM »
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Well, now you come to mention it your avatar is a tad homo-erotic.

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I'm sure well-built men are just as capable of giving gay guys the vapours too ;)

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I'm sure well-built men are just as capable of giving gay guys the vapours too ;)

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Methinks the lady doth protesteth too much! ;)

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Is he/she one of those Spanish Lesbo's thingy's I read about here... :)

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Re: Video: AROS 68K Booting
« Reply #70 on: November 24, 2010, 02:13:15 PM »
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Is there a projected date (or even a guesstimate) for an actual release of AROS 68K,


Depends on what you'd consider an "actual release"

The deadline for the 2nd kickstart bounty that Toni is working on now is March 31st next year. Judging from his progress I'd say he'll easily beat that.

But that will "just" mean having it boot and run Wanderer (Workbench) and a few apps.

Getting it stable and to feature-parity with AmigaOS 3.1 and with roughly the same performance, and ability to fit it in a real Amiga (at least in a 1MB kickstart, or a stripped down kickstart requiring modules on disk) will probably take longer. I'd guesstimate another year to get it usable enough for people outside of AROS devs or UAE users who just want to boot mostly non-OS dependent games to want to use it much.

It could be more, but I don't think it'll be much less. The one thing that could really accelerate things is that once it gets "good enough" for more people to play with there's the chance it could really draw more people into working on AROS in general, but also get more current AROS devs involved in bug fixes/optimizations for the M68k version (I'm itching to get time to play with it in UAE)

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don't wish to sound ungrateful or anything but I've begun to wonder recently why we are all still waiting around for things like AROS, the X1000, Natami or MiniMigAGA to actually appear.


Well, AROS is out there and reasonably usable, just not for classic Amigas yet. As I understand it the next version of Icaros (AROS distribution) is due out any day now.

Natami is showing great progress, so while it's still not out at least we know stuff is happening. Their "LX" board was pretty much brought up, and apparently their "MX" board which contains improvements and fixes they wanted to add after experience with the LX board is apparently right around the door (it was hinted very strongly the design is pretty much done)... Of course after the MX board design is done it'll still be at least a few months before machines are ready to buy (assuming they don't find any major flaws in the MX board design).

MinimigAGA aka FPGA Arcade is practically there - the first boards are ready and so far the tests apparently show them to be working fine. The next batch of 40(?) boards will be completed very quickly if the first 10 works fine. This one could be out in a couple of months if all goes well. This one is looking amazing - the FPGA Arcade cards don't just do MinimigAGA cores, but will do Atari ST, C64, Vic20 and a bunch of others too, and it's *tiny*.

X1000.. I guess we'll have to wait and see, seeing how quiet things are there.
 

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Re: Video: AROS 68K Booting
« Reply #71 on: November 26, 2010, 12:22:21 AM »
Now for a video of Wanderer (Workbench clone) running... this video is so boring I forgive anyone for wanting me dead after watching it...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9nqW-5I9Ag

I hate Youtube... it's 30 seconds too long:

http://www.cutiemish.com/Wanderer.avi
« Last Edit: November 26, 2010, 12:38:41 AM by bloodline »
 

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Re: Video: AROS 68K Booting
« Reply #72 on: November 26, 2010, 01:52:11 AM »
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Now for a video of Wanderer (Workbench clone) running... this video is so boring I forgive anyone for wanting me dead after watching it...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9nqW-5I9Ag

I hate Youtube... it's 30 seconds too long:

http://www.cutiemish.com/Wanderer.avi


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Re: Video: AROS 68K Booting
« Reply #73 on: November 26, 2010, 05:05:26 AM »
When this port reach the 100% (if some day reach it) how compatible is it? any usability on real amigas? (with graphics cards of course)

I dont see the advantage over 3.1, yes aros 68k can boot from cd/dvd/usb but many users dont use cds, the speed of cf or sd changing data with pc is much faster and usb on the amiga world is used by a low percentage of users.

Dont take it wrong but these days no one can make critics about this projects
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Re: Video: AROS 68K Booting
« Reply #74 on: November 27, 2010, 01:43:12 PM »
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I dont see the advantage over 3.1, yes aros 68k can boot from cd/dvd/usb but many users dont use cds, the speed of cf or sd changing data with pc is much faster and usb on the amiga world is used by a low percentage of users.


If you are one of the guys that think OS3.5/OS3.9 was a step backwards then AROS is nothing for you. For the rest I think the AROS experience will/should be that of an improved OS3.9/OS3.5.

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Dont take it wrong but these days no one can make critics about this projects


I also question why people need to critic everything all the time. If there is nothing in AROS for you; what is the problem ? I'm sure lot's of people will enjoy it.

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