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Operating System Specific Discussions => Other Operating Systems => Topic started by: persia on March 16, 2011, 08:34:08 PM
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So says Computerworld!
http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9214339/Apple_s_iPad_2_is_the_Holy_Grail_of_computing?taxonomyId=77 (http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9214339/Apple_s_iPad_2_is_the_Holy_Grail_of_computing?taxonomyId=77)
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So much apple fans all over the world and writing on magazines too, its really sad the modern apple, at least on the powerpc era they has more quality.
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:lol: iPad is a good tablet but hardly holy grail... That title belongs to the MacBook Air ;) hehehe
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Sick of this stuff... very...
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Sill a big iPod touch, only now it's thinner and takes pictures. Meh.
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Hi,
I wish the apple ipad 2 was like the holy grail, not being able to be found.
As a matter of fact I wish all of apple was like that.
smerf
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Sick of this stuff... very...
+ 1...apple talk...bah:rolleyes:
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Im more than a little sick of all the Apple talk on this site. Like Apple stuff ? No problem. But how about taking it to somewhere else rather than tainting an Amiga site?
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How about a new discussion called the penultimate device? That leaves room for growth.....
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Im more than a little sick of all the Apple talk on this site. Like Apple stuff ? No problem. But how about taking it to somewhere else rather than tainting an Amiga site?
i agree. little enough amiga talk as it is.
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+ 1...apple talk...bah:rolleyes:
+2...
And I was sick of the OS4 or MorphOS nutbag rants (or is that over on AmigaWorld.net?), but I'd actually prefer them to the apple suck-butting... :lol:
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Take PC/Apple threads off here PLZ. Nothing to do with even watered down Amiga NG.
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@Digiman
If you don't want to read about other operating systems maybe you shouldn't be reading a forum entitled "Other Operating Systems?"
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Everyone keeps bragging about the record sales of the iPad & iPad 2 but the MaxiPad has been outselling the iPad for years and will continue to do so long into the future. Plus you will always find them in stock at any grocery store.
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Everyone keeps bragging about the record sales of the iPad & iPad 2 but the MaxiPad has been outselling the iPad for years and will continue to do so long into the future. Plus you will always find them in stock at any grocery store.
Im not sure which disturbs me more, all the Apple talk, or the fact youre keeping track of MaxiPad sales ;)
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Everyone keeps bragging about the record sales of the iPad & iPad 2 but the MaxiPad has been outselling the iPad for years and will continue to do so long into the future. Plus you will always find them in stock at any grocery store.
HAHA now that's classic. I don't like all this talk about Apple all the time on Cnet and everywhere else, but especially on an Amiga site, but I gotta say this is the best post I have seen about the Ipad. Maybe if Apple bought the MaxiPad, stuck an Apple logo on it then those millions of Sheep would buy those off the shelf too.
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In the words of freddie.
Flash !...... Arrrr! Arrrrrrr!
half the internet, doesn't work......!
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In the words of freddie.
Flash !...... Arrrr! Arrrrrrr!
half the internet, doesn't work......!
I wonder how much of that is still true. Many sites over the lat year have moved from Flash for their video when browsing on an iPad/iPhone.
Of that "half" what proportion of that are simply Ads? That I can personally do without.
I will agree there are sites I go to and Flash stops me from seeing the content. The actual number of sites this happens at is nowhere near half, that I browse to. YMMV
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I've been a long time anti-flash person... So I don't miss it at all, I have ClickToFlash installed on my Mac and that blocks out all unwanted flash, which are just adverts for sexual performance enhancing pills I'm not interested in anyway :)
HTML5 is better by a long shot :)
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t html5 isn't preventive, Flash is everywhere.
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Im not sure which disturbs me more, all the Apple talk, or the fact youre keeping track of MaxiPad sales ;)
But does rubbing your finger over an installed MAXiPAD leave it all greasy?
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I've been a long time anti-flash person... So I don't miss it at all, I have ClickToFlash installed on my Mac and that blocks out all unwanted flash, which are just adverts for sexual performance enhancing pills I'm not interested in anyway :)
HTML5 is better by a long shot :)
Nowt personal but from you pic and your music career I'd have put you down as the type who enjoyed flashing... ;)
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So says Computerworld!
The iPodTouchJumbo (aka iPad 2) certainly is a "Holy Grail", insofar it's an object of deep religious significance to a particular crowd, coveted and heralded by acolytes worldwide.
Honestly, though, who really gives a distended rats rectum about it? It's this seasons utterly pointless "must have gadget", soon to be replaced with one that's even bettar [ sic ]!
After asking people repeatedly what was so ground breaking about it and how it would transform their computing experience or enable them to do something they couldn't already do perfectly well before, all I got that stood out was "It can be used as a replacement for sheet music on stage".
Some time ago, someone here coined the term "Macsturbation". I cite the OP as an example par excellence.
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As for the calls for "no more apple/pc" threads, well this is the "other operating systems" section. Uses of said alternative systems should be free to fire away, nobody is forcing anybody to read threads here.
Personally, I quite like reading how excited people get by repeated iterations of existing devices running the world's most special-needs, crippled Unix distribution (posix compliance standards must have fallen a long way). There aren't many others that can be crashed by purely user-space processes. You know, like teh evil Flash, the "number one reason why macs crash". Arf!
:roflmao:
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Just realised how stupid the star rating system is on this site for threads, this thread about crapple has a one star rating, now to the casual observer this would make this thread look good (as it at least has a star, while the vast majority don't)
However one star according to the ratings means this thread is "terrible" bit daft if you ask me giving something a star to show that it's terrible... :insane:
Whomever came up with this system of ratings should be taken round the back and shot (or at least slapped around the head a wee bit until they see stars...) :D
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I've been a long time anti-flash person... So I don't miss it at all, I have ClickToFlash installed on my Mac and that blocks out all unwanted flash, which are just adverts for sexual performance enhancing pills I'm not interested in anyway :)
HTML5 is better by a long shot :)
Good luck finding a "HTML5Block" plugin.
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Good luck finding a "HTML5Block" plugin.
Probably easy enough to block
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As for the calls for "no more apple/pc" threads, well this is the "other operating systems" section. Uses of said alternative systems should be free to fire away, nobody is forcing anybody to read threads here.
True, but they should have a health warning on them and only be allowed to show up between the hours of 3am & 5am and hidden away on another site altogether... :)
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Good luck finding a "HTML5Block" plugin.
It's not the adverts I object to, if I see an ad that interests me, the I will click it. I like ad supported software/web sites... What I object to is the advert running the battery of my device flat in an hour... With click to flash installed my laptop's run time is almost three times longer when surfing! (I accept that the mac version of flash is crap, but I don't doubt Windows and Linux users would also see battery life improvements as well). Html5, on the other hand, doesn't seem to have much impact on CPU usage at all... HTML5 adverts are welcome on my browser :)
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True, but they should have a health warning on them and only be allowed to show up between the hours of 3am & 5am and hidden away on another site altogether... :)
Ya can't live in a bubble, there is a whole world out there and it is made much more interesting by diversity... As much as I am happy with my crApple iDevices I wouldn't want the whole world using them (unless they all were going to buy my apps ;) ), I'm glad Apple have to compete with Google!
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Once Amiga was good for music... Now when you watch GarageBand for iPad2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOR_vMBp298
and say it is stupid - then there is something wrong with you.
GarageBand is absolutelly incredible piece of music art and work!!!
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Ya can't live in a bubble, there is a whole world out there and it is made much more interesting by diversity... As much as I am happy with my crApple iDevices I wouldn't want the whole world using them (unless they all were going to buy my apps ;) ), I'm glad Apple have to compete with Google!
They have to complete with Zune too, oh nevermind.
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Once Amiga was good for music... Now when you watch GarageBand for iPad2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOR_vMBp298
and say it is stupid - then there is something wrong with you.
GarageBand is absolutelly incredible piece of music art and work!!!
Hi,
This is what I think of it, YAWN
smerf
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Hi,
This is what I think of it, YAWN
smerf
And for parents of children who have never played an instrument before can now do play music in seconds. People who know how to play music take it for granted. The closest kids who have no idea about how to play an instrument got to playing music was following lights on a Casio keyboard. This is totally different. They can make their own music without knowing what they are doing on the device and show the world. Full songs using the smart instruments and it all sounds professional. It takes the arranger keyboard concept even further. This is a HUGE motivational tool to get kids to learn how to play.
If you think that is YAWN, great. To a 5 year old kid who has never played a note of music in their life, this is amazing.
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All those years of nothing from Amiga have had their effect. The iPad allows you to do those things that we dreamt about all those years ago and all people can do is ridicule. There are thousands of people including kids who are developing for it. iPad has harnessed the everyday person into programming. That's part of the change. Major software houses are competing with 15 year old kids all on a level playing field.
Read the comments from the naysayers here, they sound like ninety year olds complaining about young whippersnappers.
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And for parents of children who have never played an instrument before can now do play music in seconds. People who know how to play music take it for granted. The closest kids who have no idea about how to play an instrument got to playing music was following lights on a Casio keyboard. This is totally different. They can make their own music without knowing what they are doing on the device and show the world. Full songs using the smart instruments and it all sounds professional. It takes the arranger keyboard concept even further. This is a HUGE motivational tool to get kids to learn how to play.
If you think that is YAWN, great. To a 5 year old kid who has never played a note of music in their life, this is amazing.
Wow you make it sound so pointless. If you had your way we could just load up some software and push a command function named "make art/music". Presto - instant music without actually having to do anything.
Doing it your way is only going to dumb everything down a few levels to the point where it is meaningless. The only art i am interested in is the kind where there has been struggle and hardship in bringing it all together. I don't like quick and easy.
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Wow you make it sound so pointless. If you had your way we could just load up some software and push a command function named "make art/music". Presto - instant music without actually having to do anything.
Doing it your way is only going to dumb everything down a few levels to the point where it is meaningless. The only art i am interested in is the kind where there has been struggle and hardship in bringing it all together. I don't like quick and easy.
You miss my point though. I am referring to all of the people who never ever even attempt to learn an instrument because they think it is too hard. Piano scales, lessons etc can be daunting. This gives people the ability to make music and experience the fun of doing that to give them motivation to get the lessons and become real musicians.
I don't mean for this to replace being able to play. It is opening up the world of music creation to more people and that is a good thing in my book.
Only 5% of the population here in Australia, roughly, play an instrument. That is 95% of the population that would benefit from this.
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People who know how to play an instrument absolutely *do not* take it for granted. They too started out not knowing how to play, but spend years and year honing thier crafts and talents. This whole "instant music" thing is doing nothing but diluting the cesspool of garbage and lowers peoples expectations even further.
Nothing worthwhile in life comes easy. Want to play an instrument? Great. But it requires effort and like all art forms isnt as easy as simply pressing a few buttons, unless you want generic soulless rubbish, which this Garageband will produce 98% of the time. That's fine if a person simply wants to have fun, but I have a bad feeling that the crap made with this sort of stuff, combined with a marketable face will find itself in the mainstream from time to time. The more of ths crap there is, the more people accept it and standards lower. Apple are slowly but surely making more of a whore of the music industry as time goes by.
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People who know how to play an instrument absolutely *do not* take it for granted. They too started out not knowing how to play, but spend years and year honing thier crafts and talents. This whole "instant music" thing is doing nothing but diluting the cesspool of garbage and lowers peoples expectations even further.
Nothing worthwhile in life comes easy. Want to play an instrument? Great. But it requires effort and like all art forms isnt as easy as simply pressing a few buttons, unless you want generic soulless rubbish, which this Garageband will produce 98% of the time. That's fine if a person simply wants to have fun, but I have a bad feeling that the crap made with this sort of stuff, combined with a marketable face will find itself in the mainstream from time to time. The more of ths crap there is, the more people accept it and standards lower. Apple are slowly but surely making more of a whore of the music industry as time goes by.
It may make it to mainstream, that doesn't matter. That is an entirely different conversation. There are people who simply don't think they are good enough to ever learn an instrument and things like this help them overcome the obstacle of fear in learning one and can be the difference between a child learning an instrument or not.
By the way, I play many different instruments and I manage a large music instrument store. I see both sides of the coin.
PS: The drum loop on Umbrella - Rihanna came from GarageBand.
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You know what really, really pisses me off about Apple? The fan club and adverts.
FACETIME! OMG REVOLUTIONARY. Screw that shit. My ancient Nokia had video chat capabilities ten years ago, over GSM nontheless, without being constrained to wifi (mind you, 3G has more than enough throughput for facetime, but iPhone4's can't make calls without dropping out). Skype and other IM software did it way before apple too, they just called it 'video chat'
STATE OF THE ART LITHIUM POLYMER BATTERY!!!. Bah, my ten year old iPaq PDA had a lithium polymer battery way before it became cool. All smartphones have Lithium Ion batteries nowadays, with comparable capacities (AND they're replaceable!)
APPLE DID IT FIRST, YOUR PHONES A COPY. Ignorant fools. O2 had a touchscreen PDA with a GSM Radio module way before your stinking iPhone.
/troll
NB: The technology's cool, I just don't like the cult following or the bonus hemorrhoid creme that comes in the box
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How can I copy over a .flac music file to iPad2?
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People who know how to play an instrument absolutely *do not* take it for granted. They too started out not knowing how to play, but spend years and year honing thier crafts and talents. This whole "instant music" thing is doing nothing but diluting the cesspool of garbage and lowers peoples expectations even further.
Nothing worthwhile in life comes easy. Want to play an instrument? Great. But it requires effort and like all art forms isnt as easy as simply pressing a few buttons, unless you want generic soulless rubbish, which this Garageband will produce 98% of the time. That's fine if a person simply wants to have fun, but I have a bad feeling that the crap made with this sort of stuff, combined with a marketable face will find itself in the mainstream from time to time. The more of ths crap there is, the more people accept it and standards lower. Apple are slowly but surely making more of a whore of the music industry as time goes by.
We are at that point already. A few years ago, I was working on an album and decided to take a break... Went to the chillout area of the studio and put the music channels on the TV... Over the course of an hour the chilling truth hit me; I was spending whole days working on single sounds and rewriting parts over and over again to get something fresh and original... Something that hopefully people would enjoy and appreciate... But as I sat there listening to the successful, commercial music... I heard nothing but boring simple chord progressions (the stuff you find in "My First Guitar" book), loops and auto tune.
If people can make this kind of music themselves, maybe they will learn to appreciate the hardwork that goes into making "real music", rather than handing over cash to talentless "artists", who do make music by pushing a button.
I'm not being cute here, in the past year, I have only heard one mainstream Album that doesn't have autotuned vocals and wasn't built almost entirely from of-the-shelf audio loops :(
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We are at that point already. A few years ago, I was working on an album and decided to take a break... Went to the chillout area of the studio and put the music channels on the TV... Over the course of an hour the chilling truth hit me; I was spending whole days working on single sounds and rewriting parts over and over again to get something fresh and original... Something that hopefully people would enjoy and appreciate... But as I sat there listening to the successful, commercial music... I heard nothing but boring simple chord progressions (the stuff you find in "My First Guitar" book), loops and auto tune.
Interesting. I remember Noel Gallagher saying something similar. He was talking about several weeks of intense studio experimentation only to suddenly realize they had just wasted weeks of precious studio time doing nothing. He then pointed out that cocaine does not help with creative output. For the record it was their album Be Here Now he was talking about. Bloodline are you snorting something you shouldn't be snorting? :)
@ Fishy Liz and Dentunes. I think both sides of this argument are right. The ipad may introduce people who would otherwise never attempt to make their own music a way in which they can. In that regard i think it is a good thing. On the other hand allowing talentless artists to make instant music is not a good thing. I don't want to listen to other peoples crap music if you don't mind...
P.S. excuse me if no of this makes any sense i am a wee bit drunk...
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Interesting. I remember Noel Gallagher saying something similar.
I'll suffer through 565.767 Keshas, Gagas and X-Factors if that would erase that little ####tard (and his brother too) from history.
O.k. back to topic ;)
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People who know how to play an instrument absolutely *do not* take it for granted. They too started out not knowing how to play, but spend years and year honing thier crafts and talents. This whole "instant music" thing is doing nothing but diluting the cesspool of garbage and lowers peoples expectations even further.
Nothing worthwhile in life comes easy. Want to play an instrument? Great. But it requires effort and like all art forms isnt as easy as simply pressing a few buttons, unless you want generic soulless rubbish, which this Garageband will produce 98% of the time. That's fine if a person simply wants to have fun, but I have a bad feeling that the crap made with this sort of stuff, combined with a marketable face will find itself in the mainstream from time to time. The more of ths crap there is, the more people accept it and standards lower. Apple are slowly but surely making more of a whore of the music industry as time goes by.
Proper coders generally feel the same about "instant programming" tools like AMOS. :P
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Proper coders generally feel the same about "instant programming" tools like AMOS. :P
+1
DPaint and SoundTacker too
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Only 5% of the population here in Australia, roughly, play an instrument. That is 95% of the population that would benefit from this.
Lucky it's not the other way around or OZ would be one very noisy place... :D
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OI! you are in no position to call us nosey. The worst excuse for a instrunemt called the bagpipes is enough to make any ones stomach turn all over ;)
P.S. i call bagpipes fartpipes :roflmao:
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OI! you are in no position to call us nosey. The worst excuse for a instrunemt called the bagpipes is enough to make any ones stomach turn all over ;)
P.S. i call bagpipes fartpipes :roflmao:
Yup... your pickled... :lol:
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Lol, my thoughts as well :)
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*hangover hangover* :(
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http://kiwileaks.org/leak/Apple-Inc-sues-Time-magazine-over-next-issue-cover/
Not sure if this is true.
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http://kiwileaks.org/leak/Apple-Inc-sues-Time-magazine-over-next-issue-cover/
Not sure if this is true.
They'd have a hard job suing Time Magazine for telling the truth... :)
(although it's not fair just to say it's only the rich that use Apple stuff and coke, I've seen poor scum with their newly nicked iPads high as a kite on crack... :D))
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You know what really, really pisses me off about Apple? The fan club and adverts.
FACETIME! OMG REVOLUTIONARY. Screw that shit. My ancient Nokia had video chat capabilities ten years ago, over GSM nontheless, without being constrained to wifi (mind you, 3G has more than enough throughput for facetime, but iPhone4's can't make calls without dropping out). Skype and other IM software did it way before apple too, they just called it 'video chat'
STATE OF THE ART LITHIUM POLYMER BATTERY!!!. Bah, my ten year old iPaq PDA had a lithium polymer battery way before it became cool. All smartphones have Lithium Ion batteries nowadays, with comparable capacities (AND they're replaceable!)
APPLE DID IT FIRST, YOUR PHONES A COPY. Ignorant fools. O2 had a touchscreen PDA with a GSM Radio module way before your stinking iPhone.
Well said.
The polymer battery comercial is really crap, like apple discover this kind of batteries but dont worry some day this page will renamed to apple.org
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but dont worry some day this page will renamed to apple.org
Over... my... dead... body... :lol:
I don't mind people talking till they're blue in the face about apple provided they keep it to this sub forum.
Rather than simply complaining about people talking about it, why don't you counter it by creating some Amiga related discussions yourself? Or can't you be bothered?
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Over... my... dead... body... :lol:
I don't mind people talking till they're blue in the face about apple provided they keep it to this sub forum.
Rather than simply complaining about people talking about it, why don't you counter it by creating some Amiga related discussions yourself? Or can't you be bothered?
Now there's an idea... :idea:
(Not just a pretty face are you, brains as well as being a mod, now that's are rare combination... ;))
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On the plus side you can't snort coke from an A1200. It does not have a smooth flat shiny service.
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@karlos
ok... dont criticize apple or apple fans in the future, understood.
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There's an app that by blowing on the touch screen you can blow out the candles on a birthday cake. Maybe they could make an app so when you to sniff the screen it shows you snorting coke :roflmao:
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On the plus side you can't snort coke from an A1200. It does not have a smooth flat shiny service.
It does if you turn it upside down. ;)
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It does if you turn it upside down. ;)
huh?
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huh?
I see your brain cell is still pickled... how's the hangover... ;)
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There's an app that by blowing on the touch screen you can blow out the candles on a birthday cake. Maybe they could make an app so when you to sniff the screen it shows you snorting coke :roflmao:
Oh I'd love to see that going through the App store approval process :-) And then the press coverage if somehow it got through... 'iPhone got my son addicted to coke' headlines etc...
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@karlos
ok... dont criticize apple or apple fans in the future, understood.
WTF? I realise English is probably not your first language, but how does what I've said equate to that?
Read this thread again and others like it. I've slammed apple, their products and the sheeple that worship them multiple times. However, they are perfectly within their rights to talk about it here, in the "other operating systems" under the current forum rules.
You seem unwilling to accept that as long as they keep their platform-X discussion to this sub forum, they aren't breaking any rules. There's no rule that Amiga users can't also be Apple/Linux/Windows/Console/whatever users. The forum is for the users themselves, not their machines.
Personally, I've grown to hate all things apple with a passion since the first generations of OSX. Before that, I wasn't really polarized either way. I even used MacOS 7.5.3 (albeit under ShapeShifter) to complete my Uni work since I had to use MS Word and a few chemistry applications only available for MacOS at the time.
However, one of my first IT jobs put the nail in that coffin. I had to work with an OSX machine to do stuff for which a LAMP server is the logical choice. The constant hype and having to work with a true apple zealot who could not even bring himself to use the right tool (a bog standard x86 linux machine) for the job. Oh no, a G4 running OSX Server 10.3, "the best server OS in the world!"... He then went on to lose everything when that server decided to trash it's own filesystem - but still, it wasn't OSX's fault, oh no). Said incident is documented here on this very forum, somewhere.
Eighteen months of having to use a flaky form-before-function machine at work that touted it's "unix" compatibility but would fail to provide basic unix tools. The entire Objective-C debacle. Bloodline seems to think I hate it purely on aesthetic grounds, but that's not even the half of it. Oh no. The list goes on. You won't find many people here with a bigger axe to grind about apple stuff than I. When it comes to their typical trend-obsessed fanboy users, to paraphrase American Dad, "Hmm, how do I hang an air freshener on this? You're a total waste of space and I often think about killing you."
Does that explain my position on apple products, or shall I draw you a picture?
None of which means that other people can't have a different opinion.
Now, as I said. If you want to see more amiga specific discussion, then help initiate it rather than whining about the lack of it and making insinuations that the site is more for apple users or whatever other nonsense passes for logic in your reasoning.
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Karlos all i can say is wow! My question is do you really feel that way or did you get out of bed this morning on the wrong side? :)
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@Kesa
My antipathy towards apple is a matter of public record. I don't mind their desktop machines since you can generally upgrade the hardware and ditch the OS and put something useful on.
Their software and "post PC" totally-non-upgradable-in-any-way-shape-or-form hardware is just plain sh!te. A triumph of marketing and consumerism over common sense.
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@Karlos
I have to agree there's just something odd about Apples Apache/PHP. I struggled for a few weeks trying to get authentication on a Drupal site to work properly on an XServe until I finally discovered that the best way to make it work was to run a virtual LAMP machine on the XServe. Everything just worked. Why Apple messes with such low level stuff makes no sense whatsoever.
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Karlos all i can say is wow! My question is do you really feel that way or did you get out of bed this morning on the wrong side? :)
:lol: Karlos's dislike of Apple is from his experience and probably well deserved... I have had an almost identical experience with Windows XP, I.e. Had to use it in an environment (live music) where it just wasn't suited and now I hate it and won't bother trying vista etc, as it lost me, I found another solution... Happy now, case closed. No need to peel off the scab.
For the record I only briefly used OSX before 10.4, and also hated it... Had I needed to work with it as Karlos did, I expect I would feel much the same.
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@Kesa
Their software and "post PC" totally-non-upgradable-in-any-way-shape-or-form hardware is just plain sh!te. A triumph of marketing and consumerism over common sense.
I disagree here, I think the "Post PC" thing was inevitable. To be against it is a bit like telegraph operators lamenting the introduction of the Mobile Phone... :)
Hardware is a commodity, you now can build the device that suits your needs, you don't need a vendor. And that is true of most things, you could build cars washing machines, scissors, shelves... But you need the right tools and the right experience, the right education and the motivation... In the end most people just want to go to the shop and buy something that works and is safe to use. And that is where Apple make their money.
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:lol: Karlos's dislike of Apple is from his experience and probably well deserved... I have had an almost identical experience with Windows XP, I.e. Had to use it in an environment (live music) where it just wasn't suited and now I hate it and won't bother trying vista etc, as it lost me, I found another solution... Happy now, case closed. No need to peel off the scab.
For the record I only briefly used OSX before 10.4, and also hated it... Had I needed to work with it as Karlos did, I expect I would feel much the same.
OSX versions prior to 10.5 are truly atrocious.
10.6 fixed many things but not enough to be considered functionally complete as a proper UNIX.
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I disagree here, I think the "Post PC" thing was inevitable. To be against it is a bit like telegraph operators lamenting the introduction of the Mobile Phone... :)
Don't confuse my disdain for the iPhone/iPad with disdain for portable computing devices in general. I have absolutely nothing against such devices. What I do dislike is apple's totalitarian approach to hardware expansion. You are simply not allowed to add anything to it, even an after market battery FFS. This, combined with their insistence that they are at the absolute forefront of innovation whilst trying to sell me some hermetically sealed box of electronics I can do precisely feck all with (because to all real intents and purposes they basically still own it and I'm just paying for the the privilege of holding it) other than what they allow, really pisses me off. But not nearly as much as the fanboys that think this is perfectly fair and good.
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Is there any proper reason why they don't allow expansion? My camera allows me to put in extra memory in the form of a small card. It's not rocket science so why don't they put this on the ipad?
For the record i think the imac is a masterpiece of construction. It is beautiful and probably the best desktop i have seen. But i despise all things Apple so if i ever did buy a 27" imac the first thing i would do is remove the snow leopard and install windows 7 just to piss them off because deep down despite what they claim they don't have any power over us in any way whatsoever :)
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On the flip side not every device need have a full bash shell, I don't need it for my TV, even though it has a web browser. Sometimes a device is just a device. The iPad is neat for a handheld applications platform, but I would want to code on it.
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Personally, I don't have a problem with Windows or OSX, but the iPad has to be one of the dumbest things I've seen come off the line in a long time.
A giant iPhone without the phone, sheer genius. Jobs' thyroid cancer must be affecting his brain. Holly Grail? Only in the sense of a mythical object that a lot o resources were wasted on trying to find.
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@Iggy
Try it out, it's a neat device for what it is. Not every computer has to do everything. My fridge doesn't have to host websites, my TV doesn't have to render 3D objects in real time. I have an 8 core Mac Pro that handles the hard computing stuff. I have give talks with an iPad and small projector, watched TV from my slingbox, etc with the iPad. I use it for light internet use. It's simply tool that fills a niche.
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While we are all dissing Apple (except for bloodline) what's up with the magic trackpad? Never tried one. Gimmick or innovative?
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While we are all dissing Apple (except for bloodline) what's up with the magic trackpad? Never tried one. Gimmick or innovative?
Gimmick. The mouse speed has to be set slower than on the regular moust to operate it. It is not suited to replace the mouse any better than a regular trackpad though, so you wouldn´t want to go without one.
As for the "holy grail" statement: Try computing where 4x*x*x+2x-3 touches the x-axis on an iPad. Then try on a REAL computer. Notice how many different options you have on the latter.
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I don't use mice. I'm in love with logitech trackballs :)
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Only in the sense of a mythical object that a lot o resources were wasted on trying to find.
So the iPad3 will be called "the g-spot"?
/ducks
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This explains why my MBP is so bloody slow since my battery exploded and I took it out!
http://gigaom.com/mobile/run-your-macboo/
Jobs is Satan personified.
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This explains why my MBP is so bloody slow since my battery exploded and I took it out!
http://gigaom.com/mobile/run-your-macboo/
Jobs is Satan personified.
Read the comments, not an Apple specific issue.
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This explains why my MBP is so bloody slow since my battery exploded and I took it out!
http://gigaom.com/mobile/run-your-macboo/
Jobs is Satan personified.
I never thought about that! I had an Acer laptop where the battery went bad, so I just used it as a desktop and the bloody thing kept switching off when doing anything demanding... I figured the thermal sensor was duff or something... Absolute pain, lost work as well... I didn't think that the battery would be the cause...
Without my usual Apple bias, I would say the Apple solution is actually more elegant...
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So the iPad3 will be called "the g-spot"?
/ducks
That's actually pretty easy to find.
I just find labeling the iPad as the "Holy Grail" to be a bit ludicrous.
Hell, I don't even want one. I could see owning one of those smaller 7" Android tablets, but the iPad is stupid sized.
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Read the comments, not an Apple specific issue.
Exploding batteries is.
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@Iggy
Try it out, it's a neat device for what it is. Not every computer has to do everything. My fridge doesn't have to host websites, my TV doesn't have to render 3D objects in real time. I have an 8 core Mac Pro that handles the hard computing stuff. I have give talks with an iPad and small projector, watched TV from my slingbox, etc with the iPad. I use it for light internet use. It's simply tool that fills a niche.
On the flip side not every device need have a full bash shell, I don't need it for my TV, even though it has a web browser. Sometimes a device is just a device. The iPad is neat for a handheld applications platform, but I would want to code on it.
So, as a user you are basically saying it's a fairly basic device for undemanding end-user applications. So in what sense, then, can it possibly be described as "the holy grail" of computing" ?
For a start, none of the tasks you have suggested are really what anybody would seriously call "computing". After all, consuming media and web surfing and so on is the sort of thing you can do on your average TV set in 2011.
To a serious user, the "holy grail" of computing is far more likely to be something that lets them do real work (whether that's creating content, coding or whatever else) with maximum efficiency, minimum hassle and as inexpensively as possible. Precisely the sort of activities you've dismissed it as being any use for.
Do you see why this kind of stupid "best thing evar!" hype gets on my tits now?
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While i'm ranting what's up with people holding on to the osx boot disk and manuals? :confused:
When i almost bought a mac mini on ebay today the seller made it clear he wouldn't give me the manuals or boot disk. What possible use could this be especially as it was PPC? What happens if i need to reboot? :confused:
Apple sucks, hate everything about them, which is ironic as i'm writing this post on an imac and quite enjoying it too. I'm confused... :(
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So, as a user you are basically saying it's a fairly basic device for undemanding end-user applications. So in what sense, then, can it possibly be described as "the holy grail" of computing" ?
For a start, none of the tasks you have suggested are really what anybody would seriously call "computing". After all, consuming media and web surfing and so on is the sort of thing you can do on your average TV set in 2011.
To a serious user, the "holy grail" of computing is far more likely to be something that lets them do real work (whether that's creating content, coding or whatever else) with maximum efficiency, minimum hassle and as inexpensively as possible. Precisely the sort of activities you've dismissed it as being any use for.
Do you see why this kind of stupid "best thing evar!" hype gets on my tits now?
Well, that's obvious :) Coming fom the Amiga community I find it rather easy to tune out the Hype.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it wasn't Apple that called the iPad2 the "Holy Grail of Computing", which it clearly isn't... But I would argue this is is pretty damn close for a consumer electronic computing device. Think of it like a washing machine, it does what it says it does on the box, it just works, turn it on use it... No worry, no difficulties.
Apple is trading here on the fact that MicroSoft, left big security holes in Win95 and if anything went wrong with your "PC"... You were going to have to take it to an expert to get it fixed, those are the two real features the iPad trades on, the rest is just fluff.
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..Correct me if I'm wrong, but it wasn't Apple that called the iPad2 the "Holy Grail of Computing", which it clearly isn't... But I would argue this is is pretty damn close for a consumer electronic computing device. Think of it like a washing machine, it does what it says it does on the box, it just works, turn it on use it... No worry, no difficulties.
Apple is trading here on the fact that MicroSoft, left big security holes in Win95 and if anything went wrong with your "PC"... You were going to have to take it to an expert to get it fixed, those are the two real features the iPad trades on, the rest is just fluff.
Dunno about the just turn it on & no worries bit. browsing flash sites is a worry. until they're all replaced... (o:
But there is no doubt in my mind the bulk of the concepts around the iPad are the Holy Grail of computing futures.
Look at what intel are up to at the moment. integrated graphics, Purchasing a malware/security vendor. Swallowing up graphics houses. lookout Google when your browser based OS is released,,, whammo...
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"The Amiga, powered by hype since 1994."
But that aside, I thing the whole Holy Grail thing was a rather silly thing to come out of a serious computer magazine. But then magazines themselves are about as relevant to 2011 as floppy disks.
Is a tablet a replacement for a desktop? Only for some individuals. Is it a nice device that provides applications for people on the go? Yes. What percentage of computer users have only one device? An ever shrinking number. The iPad won't replace your main computer, it will replace a lot of netbooks, but largely it's a new market, with it's own rules and logic.
Well, that's obvious :) Coming fom the Amiga community I find it rather easy to tune out the Hype.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it wasn't Apple that called the iPad2 the "Holy Grail of Computing", which it clearly isn't... But I would argue this is is pretty damn close for a consumer electronic computing device. Think of it like a washing machine, it does what it says it does on the box, it just works, turn it on use it... No worry, no difficulties.
Apple is trading here on the fact that MicroSoft, left big security holes in Win95 and if anything went wrong with your "PC"... You were going to have to take it to an expert to get it fixed, those are the two real features the iPad trades on, the rest is just fluff.
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Exploding batteries is.
No other product has had an issue with exploding batteries other than Apple?
Apple isn't perfect but that is a load of crap.
Sony
http://news.softpedia.com/newsImage/Sony-Goes-to-Bed-With-IBM-2.jpg/
HP
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1649552/hp-expands-exploding-battery-recall
HTC
http://www.neowin.net/news/htc-touch-pro-battery-explodes-the-trend-continues
I think you get the point.
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"Cult" doesn't begin to explain it.
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No other product has had an issue with exploding batteries other than Apple?
Apple isn't perfect but that is a load of crap.
Sony
http://news.softpedia.com/newsImage/Sony-Goes-to-Bed-With-IBM-2.jpg/
HP
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1649552/hp-expands-exploding-battery-recall
HTC
http://www.neowin.net/news/htc-touch-pro-battery-explodes-the-trend-continues
I think you get the point.
Shame Apple won't replace my exploded battery nor will they repair the damage it caused to my MBP.
Unlike the companies above.
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Shame Apple won't replace my exploded battery nor will they repair the damage it caused to my MBP.
Unlike the companies above.
Really?
Apple sent me a replacement battery and a letter stating that due to concerns regarding the battery they had issued me a replacement... Also included was a prepaid courier sticker to send the old battery back (I just took it to the apple store, as the Regent street one was on the way to work)... This was a few years ago (for my 1st gen MBP)... I never even knew about the issues they alluded to...
All I can think is your registered address was wrong :(
Everyone has issues with various companies, I think I've been lucky not to have issues with Apple yet (I've also not had any issues with HP, though I have far less HP equipment).
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Really?
Apple sent me a replacement battery and a letter stating that due to concerns regarding the battery they had issued me a replacement... Also included was a prepaid courier sticker to send the old battery back (I just took it to the apple store, as the Regent street one was on the way to work)... This was a few years ago (for my 1st gen MBP)... I never even knew about the issues they alluded to...
All I can think is your registered address was wrong :(
Everyone has issues with various companies, I think I've been lucky not to have issues with Apple yet (I've also not had any issues with HP, though I have far less HP equipment).
Bought two identical 17" MBP's on the same day in March 2008 from the Regent Street store, both have had the motherboard replaced more than once in the first six months, one had its dvd replaced twice,both had exploding batteries last year.
They definitely have my correct address too.
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Bought two identical 17" MBP's on the same day in March 2008 from the Regent Street store, both have had the motherboard replaced more than once in the first six months, one had its dvd replaced twice,both had exploding batteries last year.
They definitely have my correct address too.
I would definately have issues with Apple if I had suffered the same... But I have bought a 12" PowerBook G4 (in use with my father), gen1 15" MBP (currently used by my younger brother), 2 gen2 15" MBPs (for live music), 1 late 2008 15" MBP (new style, currently my main computer), plus one 13" MB for girlfriend... All generations of iPhone (plus a couple of iPod nanos, and a 69gig iPod classic)... I have them still in use without issues (except the MB, the girl friend kept it when we broke up)... As I said, I think I've just been lucky, I've been pretty lucky with Amiga kit too thinking about it...
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Shame Apple won't replace my exploded battery nor will they repair the damage it caused to my MBP.
Unlike the companies above.
I guess if you had AppleCare we wouldn't be having this discussion.
I bought an HP laptop and it had a new screen, DVD drive, Hard Drive and power supply in the first 9 months. When warranty fixed it I sold it immediately! Maybe they thought after two batteries, at least two motherboards and two DVD drives, MAYBE, you had an impact on the breakdowns. Not saying you did though you could see how they may think that. I had a first generation MBP and the DVD drive went on it. I sold it like that and the purchaser didn't mind.
Things break and go wrong. That is why there is warranty. Laptops get abused. They are not desktops that sit in one spot. They won't last as long as a desktop. That isn't limited to Apple either.
There is currently a guy who purchased a MacBook through my store almost 2 years ago who is attempting to get the laptop replaced free as his motherboard died. The repairers found insects inside the laptop along with Request for refund documentation on his hard drive for various different companies.
Where was I going with this..... oh I don't know. Go the Zune!
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I guess if you had AppleCare we wouldn't be having this discussion.
:roflmao: Seriously, do know know what you just said?
I don't know what tinpot corporatist state you live in but selling products with known defects is against the law in this country. It is also a requirement to provide a 2yr warranty on electrical goods.
I bought an HP laptop and it had a new screen, DVD drive, Hard Drive and power supply in the first 9 months. When warranty fixed it I sold it immediately!
So I should have sold my MBP's "immediately" after having them repaired then?
Maybe they thought after two batteries, at least two motherboards and two DVD drives, MAYBE, you had an impact on the breakdowns.
For such a loyal cultist you don't seem to be aware of the fact that Apple KNOWINGLY sold MBP's with defective Nvidia 8600M GPU's. Hence the several motherboard replacements I had.
Replacing them isn't Lord Steve being a wonderful altruistic messiah, it's THE LAW making him replace them.
Not saying you did though you could see how they may think that. I had a first generation MBP and the DVD drive went on it. I sold it like that and the purchaser didn't mind.
Things break and go wrong. That is why there is warranty.
Really? I could have sworn you just claimed I should have to pay for "Apple Care" extedened warranty crap to solve the problems with the broken hardware they knowingly sold to me.
Laptops get abused. They are not desktops that sit in one spot. They won't last as long as a desktop.
Wrong. One of these MBP's has done nothing but "sit in one spot" for three years being used as a desktop by a disabled woman who uses it for nothing but web surfing.
That isn't limited to Apple either.
There is currently a guy who purchased a MacBook through my store almost 2 years ago who is attempting to get the laptop replaced free as his motherboard died. The repairers found insects inside the laptop along with Request for refund documentation on his hard drive for various different companies.
Where was I going with this..... oh I don't know. Go the Zune!
Apple WILL replace the battery AND fix the damage to the MBP whether they like it or not, as the hardware was defective to start with. Batteries aren't supposed to explode.
Just one of the benefits in living in a country that doesn't allow it's citizens to be completely raped by corporations.
I don't know, perhaps I haven't been "holding it right?"........
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:roflmao: Seriously, do know know what you just said?
I don't know what tinpot corporatist state you live in but selling products with known defects is against the law in this country. It is also a requirement to provide a 2yr warranty on electrical goods.
So I should have sold my MBP's "immediately" after having them repaired then?
For such a loyal cultist you don't seem to be aware of the fact that Apple KNOWINGLY sold MBP's with defective Nvidia 8600M GPU's. Hence the several motherboard replacements I had.
Replacing them isn't Lord Steve being a wonderful altruistic messiah, it's THE LAW making him replace them.
Really? I could have sworn you just claimed I should have to pay for "Apple Care" extedened warranty crap to solve the problems with the broken hardware they knowingly sold to me.
Wrong. One of these MBP's has done nothing but "sit in one spot" for three years being used as a desktop by a disabled woman who uses it for nothing but web surfing.
Apple WILL replace the battery AND fix the damage to the MBP whether they like it or not, as the hardware was defective to start with. Batteries aren't supposed to explode.
Just one of the benefits in living in a country that doesn't allow it's citizens to be completely raped by corporations.
I don't know, perhaps I haven't been "holding it right?"........
I live in Australia. We obviously have different laws. Then again, your laptop is 3 years old now. Even with 2 years warranty, it would be out now. You choose what you wish to do. If I have products which have had a fault, I sell them and replace them. Everyone does what they choose to do. When a car begins breaking down it is cheaper to replace sometimes than to constantly fix it.
I am responding from being in retail for over 10 years and managing a retail store. You guys think we are "raping" you. I guess you don't work in retail otherwise you would see the other side. I am not saying either is right. There is always two sides to each story.
If the problem is known problem, hound them until you get results. Most customers are the most vocal when they have a problem. It would be nice if complements came back as loud when things went right, which in most cases is 99% of the time.
PLease don't call me a cultist. You have absolutely no idea what I am. Save the abuse for Apple. That is who you have your beef with. I didn't once call you anything. This is simply a conversation.
PS: The "holding it right" joke is dead. Let it go. It simply isn't funny anymore. I have an iPhone 4 and the issue is simply totally blown out of proportion. On top of that, nothing comes close to the "raping" Vodafone is currently doing to customers in Australia. It makes 'Attennagate' seem trivial.
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@Dentunes. I wouldn't worry too much with that attack. He does that quite a lot. Some people are jerks :)
P.S. it would be really cool if nicholas would stop saying cult, cultist and rape in normal everyday conversation. It's creepy :(
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Bit grumpy today... Here is what happened:
My girl friend entered a competition to win and iPad 1... She didn't win... Boo :(.
She did get second place, the prize a 16GB iPhone4... Yay :)
The company said that they were having problems getting an iPhone4... Boo :(
The company have sent her £530 cash alternative... Yay! :)
I said "Cool, you can get the the iPad you wanted now, with the money", actually an iPad2 since that is released today... She says "not sure I want iPad now... I want shoes"... Boo :(
Stoopid women ;)
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Not for resurrecting this thread but...
this is a great achivement in personal computing! :D
http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=10150103890372668&comments
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
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Not to give the thread another raspberry, but given a choice between the iPad and a pair of shoes, I'd take the shoes too (and I'm not a woman stupid or otherwise).
And the slavish devotion to Apple is cult-like. That's the really creepy part - Night of the Living Dead Apple Fanatics.
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Yup the iPad sux, Apple sux, Microsoft sux, "they who shall no be mentioned here" sux in fact now that I think about it, everthing sux, including this post...:D
Frig, gonna have start looking for something that doesn't suck just so I can begin to hate it and say that sux too... what a crap thing to have to do, this sux... :(
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Yup the iPad sux, Apple sux, Microsoft sux, "they who shall no be mentioned here" sux in fact now that I think about it, everthing sux, including this post...:D
Frig, gonna have start looking for something that doesn't suck just so I can begin to hate it and say that sux too... what a crap thing to have to do, this sux... :(
That post sux.:(
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That post sux.:(
Yup... and so does this one... :(
Still I've found something new to complain about in that new AmigaOS.net thread so I'm happy now that I can complain that some of the things said there sux too... :D
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Yup... and so does this one... :(
Still I've found something new to complain about in that new AmigaOS.net thread so I'm happy now that I can complain that some of the things said there sux too... :D
Love the choice of music for the website though (that sux not).
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Love the choice of music for the website though (that sux not).
Either I'm going deaf or me computers sound aint working, what music... :confused:
Pardon... quarter past two... :)
Eh... in that that case I'll have three... :)
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Either I'm going deaf or me computers sound aint working, what music... :confused:
Pardon... quarter past two... :)
Eh... in that that case I'll have three... :)
Uh, your website Franko.
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That post sux.:(
If you want to look into something that doesn't suck research Microsoft Vacuum Cleaners.
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Not for resurrecting this thread but...
this is a great achivement in personal computing! :D
http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=10150103890372668&comments
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Sorry! You need to login into Facebook for seeing this video (it's not on YouTube).
Anyway here are two similar from YouTube (even if the one on Facebook is funnier IMHO):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iC2kf_1qnM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36Jb3VhwK00
It's an app for entertaining cats!!! :D
...so you can leave your "oooold" iPad 1 to your cat, and go buy the iPad 2... until 3 exit in stores! :)
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Uh, your website Franko.
Oh... bugger... I spent ages scouring the AmigaOS.net site trying to find the music you were talking about... :o
didn't realise you were talking about my site... :lol:
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At last a tablet worthy of the ipad.
http://www.itproportal.com/2011/03/31/asus-sell-eee-pad-transformer-less-ipad-2/
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@Kesa
Yeah, but notice the price. Apple is competitive in price on the tablets. This is something the haters don't want to admit.
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I've found the actual holy grail.
I've managed to use a emulator to run this Color Computer 3 demo.
(http://www.axess.com/twilight/sock/cocofile/boink.gifhttp://)
http://www.axess.com/twilight/sock/cocofile/boink.gif
(http://www.axess.com/twilight/sock/cocofile/boink.gifhttp://)
Ooh! Bouncy, bouncy colored ball.
And all I needed was 1000 times the CPU speed to run this 1.79Mhz computer's demo.
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Damn, Coco3, now that brings back some memories. Only had a(n expanded) coco1 myself, but I used to love it when my older brothers mate would stay the night and bring over his coco3. Gantelet2 was bloody cool . Not too far removed from Amiga/ST Gauntelet2. Great 8bit machine.
http://nitros9.lcurtisboyle.com/ganteletii.html