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scm PCD-50B question
« on: June 16, 2015, 12:27:39 AM »
So, I'm working on my A2000 with the above item in it.

I have a CF inserted in the CF slot and a SD card inserted in its appropriate slot.  Try to run hdtoolbox to format the 2MB SD card and the LUN isn't recognized.

When I fire up toolbox, it scans only LUN's 0 and 1 at SCSI address 0 (which is what the media reader is set for).  But it scans ALL LUN's 0-7 for the other addresses, even tho nothing is installed on any of them!

What am I doing wrong here?

I checked and LUN's are set to 7 in the information on the icon.

Using GURU ROM 6.13 also.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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Re: scm PCD-50B question
« Reply #1 on: June 16, 2015, 04:18:08 AM »
I would go back and check your termination, also comment out or delete all the settings from HDToolbox except for "ASKDEVICE".

Here is a quick photo of one of mine, you can see it's detecting all the LUN's (I have two cards installed in this particular system, a CF in slot 0 and an xD in slot 5; ID 2 is my DVD drive):
Amiga 500: 2MB Chip|16MB Fast|30MHz 68030+68882|3.9|Indivision ECS|GVP A500HD+|Mechware card reader + 8GB CF|Cocolino|SCSI DVD-RAM
Amiga 2000: 2MB Chip|136MB Fast|50MHz 68060|3.9|Indivision ECS + GVP Spectrum|Mechware card reader + 8GB CF|AD516|X-Surf 100|RapidRoad|Cocolino|SCSI CD-RW
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Re: scm PCD-50B question
« Reply #2 on: June 16, 2015, 05:51:13 PM »
And no joy.

Only lines in the info file are the askdevice and the scsi_device_name lines.

Even went so far as to reboot, just in case.

Just reads 0.0, 0.1, then on to 1.x...
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Re: scm PCD-50B question
« Reply #3 on: June 16, 2015, 06:23:50 PM »
But it reads the cards in LUN's 0 and 1 successfully?

What version of HDToolbox?

Try setting the reader to a different SCSI ID #?

Is the termination jumper on, and are there any other devices in the chain?

What controller?

Is this one of Mechy's readers?  I have the PCD-60B models, which as I recall were a "little bit better", but I can't recall the difference.  Perhaps shoot him a PM and ask if he has any advice?
« Last Edit: June 16, 2015, 06:31:07 PM by Oldsmobile_Mike »
Amiga 500: 2MB Chip|16MB Fast|30MHz 68030+68882|3.9|Indivision ECS|GVP A500HD+|Mechware card reader + 8GB CF|Cocolino|SCSI DVD-RAM
Amiga 2000: 2MB Chip|136MB Fast|50MHz 68060|3.9|Indivision ECS + GVP Spectrum|Mechware card reader + 8GB CF|AD516|X-Surf 100|RapidRoad|Cocolino|SCSI CD-RW
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Re: scm PCD-50B question
« Reply #4 on: June 16, 2015, 06:24:21 PM »
Edit - anything in this thread helpful?

Post #5:

http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=65297
Amiga 500: 2MB Chip|16MB Fast|30MHz 68030+68882|3.9|Indivision ECS|GVP A500HD+|Mechware card reader + 8GB CF|Cocolino|SCSI DVD-RAM
Amiga 2000: 2MB Chip|136MB Fast|50MHz 68060|3.9|Indivision ECS + GVP Spectrum|Mechware card reader + 8GB CF|AD516|X-Surf 100|RapidRoad|Cocolino|SCSI CD-RW
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Re: scm PCD-50B question
« Reply #5 on: June 16, 2015, 09:13:07 PM »
Quote from: Oldsmobile_Mike;791179
But it reads the cards in LUN's 0 and 1 successfully?

What version of HDToolbox?

Try setting the reader to a different SCSI ID #?

Is the termination jumper on, and are there any other devices in the chain?

What controller?

Is this one of Mechy's readers?  I have the PCD-60B models, which as I recall were a "little bit better", but I can't recall the difference.  Perhaps shoot him a PM and ask if he has any advice?

 am guessing it is either wrong or double termination issue. The pcd60b was no different from the 50b,other than it had the xdpicture slot. they both work the same.

@curtis  Use hdtoolbox from os3.9 if you can.
if not some things to check:

Make sure termination is exact,if you dont you will be fighting it and not getting anywhere forever.

Try different sd cards, some off brand are nothing but troubles, but sandisk,most transcend etc work fine(i have used up to 32GB,but realize over 4gb you may need nsd/td64 patches or os3.9 to make life easy. Stick with 4Gb or less for a simple life.

Many ebay cards are fakes and give problems, if you bought it there or a china site like dhgate etc you may have problems.

if the card cant be seen, try formatting it fresh in a pc to fat 32, then retry in the card reader.
HDinsttools does odd things to some cards i found, if you used it to partition,i have seen cards completely disappear and haven't figured a way to get them back,even formatting/partitioning in a pc doesnt help(ironically they work on the pc still).I dont know what this does to them,i recommend avoiding it.

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Re: scm PCD-50B question
« Reply #6 on: June 16, 2015, 10:55:05 PM »
Well, since the unit does its own termination via a jumper and it's the last and only unit on the chain, don't think termination is the problem.

Anyhoo, tried changing the address from 0 to 6 and the problem follows the address.  If I move the address to 1 then on 1.0 and 1.1 are found.  Ditto for all the others.

I'm using hdtoolbox for OS 3.1.

The original card I tried is a authentic Sandisk 2.0 GB.  Just tried a PNY 2GB with same results.  Only other cards I have are microSD 8 and 32GB.  PRetty sure those will not work well.

One interesting observation.  From 0 to 5 HDTB merrily scanned all LUN's except for the active one and no comments.  When I got to 6, it actually told me drives had changed, been added/deleted!

Formatted both cards FAT32 on Win 7 machine and same result.

BTW, don't think toolbox from 3.9 is an option as I'm strictly 68000.
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Re: scm PCD-50B question
« Reply #7 on: June 16, 2015, 11:17:04 PM »
Another observation.

Pulled out the normal boot disk/CF card.

Boot with my Install disk for WB 3.1 and running HDToolBox.  No sign of it.

OOPS!!!  Forgot to change to omniscsi.device!

Reboot.  HDToolBox sees the drive!  Partition, save info, reboot.

There it is!  Format and rename.  Voila!

Pop my regular boot HD back in and the card disappeared!

Hmmm.  Might need to re-install my OS.

Comments before I go there?
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Re: scm PCD-50B question
« Reply #8 on: June 16, 2015, 11:33:54 PM »
You're formatting with FFS?  Or something else?

Personally I always do a fresh reinstall of the OS on any new device, if I'm planning on making it my primary device (that goes for Windows or whatever, really).  Only way to make sure you have a clean system, then you can use your old card as a backup.

Wonder if a 68010 would let you run 3.9?  Granted it would be dog-slow unless you dropped the screen colors and replaced the icons with MWB or something, but they're only like $5 on ebay.  From what I recall only a handful of programs in 3.9 actually "require" an '020+ (instructions), anyway.
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Re: scm PCD-50B question
« Reply #9 on: June 17, 2015, 12:06:07 AM »
It's going to be DOS.  Will be using the SD card for my bridgeboard hard drive.  Was kicking around the idea of installing OS/2 Warp.  Liked it when it came out.  Just felt better than Winblows.

Not sure about the 68010.  IF I remember correctly, it has to be at least an '020 for 3.9.
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Re: scm PCD-50B question
« Reply #10 on: June 17, 2015, 12:11:03 AM »
Quote from: curtis;791205
Another observation.

Pulled out the normal boot disk/CF card.

Boot with my Install disk for WB 3.1 and running HDToolBox.  No sign of it.

OOPS!!!  Forgot to change to omniscsi.device!

Reboot.  HDToolBox sees the drive!  Partition, save info, reboot.

There it is!  Format and rename.  Voila!

Pop my regular boot HD back in and the card disappeared!

Hmmm.  Might need to re-install my OS.

Comments before I go there?

It sounds like the hd is also terminated and its a case of double termination. is there any termination on the external gvp port?

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Re: scm PCD-50B question
« Reply #11 on: June 17, 2015, 12:32:39 AM »
Nope.  External port is just sitting there waiting for something to be plugged in.
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Re: scm PCD-50B question
« Reply #12 on: June 17, 2015, 12:51:11 AM »
!@#$@@##$^!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just finished the fresh 3.1 install and guess what doesn't show up anymore?  Yep, the SD card.  0.0 and 0.1 only for address/LUN then all of the others.

Checked the termination.  Automatic via jumper on the media reader.  Nothing else on the cable.

Only things attached are the media reader with the CF card in place and the SD card in place.
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Re: scm PCD-50B question
« Reply #13 on: June 17, 2015, 12:52:09 AM »
Oh, and the info file only has askdevice and SCSI_DEVICE_NAME=omniscsi.device.
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Re: scm PCD-50B question
« Reply #14 on: June 17, 2015, 01:10:22 AM »
Okay, this is starting to get REALLY WEIRD!!!!

Tried booting from the floppy with the CF boot card and SD card in place.  Floppy booted fine and the CF card was recognized and that was all.

Popped the CF card out and booted from floppy.  SD card is now recognized!

Perchance is there something wrong with the CF card???

Is it somehow locking out any LUN's after its position?

Guess I'll try a different CF card and once again install the OS.
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