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News Link: http://amigaprez.wordpress.com/2011/10/20/amigaone-x1000-to-be-at-amiwest-2011/
“First Contact : AmigaOne X1000 Limited Edition
AmiWest 2011, Sacramento, 21st October 2011
AmigaKit and A-EON Technology are pleased to announce that AmigaKit is now taking pre-orders for a First Contact Limited Edition version of the AmigaOne X1000 System.
The First Contact system comprises a fully equipped AmigaOne X1000 complete with the official Boing Ball case and AmigaOS4.1 Update 5 pre-installed. It is also supplied with a license for AmigaOS4.2 which can be downloaded when it is released by Hyperion Entertainment. Matthew Leaman of AmigaKit said “As part of our ongoing commitment to the Amiga community we are delighted to be able to offer the AmigaOne X1000 to our customers. Based on current manufacturing schedules we hope to have the first systems ready for Christmas & New Year delivery. A-EON Technology director Trevor Dickinson added “Its been a long and, at times, difficult journey but we are pleased that the Amiga community will finally have access to this exciting new hardware for the AmigaOS4.
The First Contact system includes the official AmigaOne X1000 Boing Ball case in either black or white and includes the Nemo rev 2.1 motherboard complete with 1GB of DDR2 RAM, a Radeon HD4650 graphics card, 500GB HDD,
DVR R/W optical drive, Audio & Ethernet cards.
Prices start from: £1699, USD $2682.56 (excluding AmigaOS4 license, shipping, handling and sales tax).
Optional extras include the Boing Ball keyboard & mouse, Ram, HDD & Optical drive upgrade options plus Debian Squeeze pre-installed in a dual booting configuration with AmigaOS4. Please refer to the special A1-X1000 system configurator on the AmigaKit website for pricing and upgrade options.
All orders will be processed on a first come first served basis.
About AmigaKit.
AmigaKit is a trading division of Leaman Computing Ltd based in Cardiff, UK. It acquired the stock of Eyetech Group Ltd in 2006 and quickly established itself as a worldwide market leader in the retail and distribution of Amiga hardware and software.
A-EON Technology appointed AmigaKit as its primary distributor for the AmigaOne X1000 computer.
About A-EON Technology.
A-EON Technology was founded in 2009 to fund the
development of next generation hardware for the Amiga community working in close cooperation with Hyperion Entertainment, the developers of the AmigaOS.
About the AmigaOne X1000.
The AmigaOne X1000 is not like other computers. It is a culmination of efforts by real Amiga enthusiasts and developers to create powerful, modern desktop hardware for the Amiga Operating System. It is the natural evolution of the Amiga’s PowerPC lineage and is based on the PA-Semi Dual-core PA6T-1682M CPU and includes Xena, a “Software Defined Silicon” co-processor. Above all, it runs the latest version of the AmigaOS.
Varisys commits to AmigaOne platform
AmiWest 2011, Sacramento, 21st October 2011
A-EON Technology is pleased to announce Varisys, the official developer and manufacturer of the Nemo motherboard for AmigaOne X1000, has strengthened its commitment to the AmigaOne platform.
Throughout the Nemo development phase Varisys has proved an extremely knowledgeable and highly responsive partner. A-EON Technology director Trevor Dickinson said, “We have been very satisfied with Varisys commitment, dedication and quality. When it comes to leading edge PowerPC hardware their level of technical expertise is possibly unrivalled. As a result Varisys has contracted to work on several new development projects to improve and extend the AmigaOne product line.
Adam Barnes, Varisys Technical Director said, There is some exciting cutting edge PowerPC technology on the horizon and we are delighted to have the opportunity of
bringing this to the AmigaOne platform.
Varisys Managing Director Paul Gentle added, “We enjoyed working on the Nemo development which provided our first experience of the global Amiga community. We look forward to extending our relationship with the new projects and will do our best to.
Please refer to the Varisys and A-EON Technology website for future updates.
About Varisys.
Varisys is a producer of Commercial Off The Shelf and provider of bespoke hardware design and manufacturing services for industrial and embedded computing applications. The High Wycombe, UK based company was founded in 2000 by Paul Gentle and Adam Barnes and has earned a reputation for delivering high quality products with a specialisation in PowerPC and FPGA hardware. Varisys have customers in a wide range of industries, in manufacturing, military applications and telecommunications, and are perhaps best known for their development of the PowerPC G4 motherboard used in the immensely popular WholeHog III lighting control console.
About A-EON Technology.
A-EON Technology was founded in 2009 to fund the development of next generation hardware for the Amiga community working in close cooperation with Hyperion Entertainment, the developers of the AmigaOS.
About the AmigaOne X1000.
The AmigaOne X1000 is not like other computers. It is a culmination of efforts by real Amiga enthusiasts and developers to create powerful, modern desktop hardware for the Amiga Operating System. It is the natural evolution of the Amiga’s PowerPC lineage and is based on the PA-Semi Dual-core PA6T-1682M CPU and includes Xena, a “Software Defined Silicon” co-processor. Above all, it runs the latest version of the AmigaOS.
A-EON & AmigaKit form strategic alliance
AmiWest 2011, Sacramento, 21st October 2011
A-EON Technology is pleased to announce it has formed a new strategic alliance with AmigaKit, the official distributor of the AmigaOne X1000.
As part of this alliance, AmigaKit will jointly fund new AmigaOne hardware developments and will market all future products. Matthew Leaman of AmigaKit said, “This move is in line with our desire to bring exciting new products to the Amiga market, such as our ZorRAM memory card and funding the AmigaOS4.1 Classic update. We welcome this new opportunity to support our Amiga customers.
Trevor Dickinson added, “A-EON Technology has a very close working relationship with AmigaKit. We appointed them as our lead distributor and they have played a crucial role in helping to deliver the AmigaOne X1000 to market. He also added, I am also delighted that what originally began as my support for AmigaOS software developers in 2005, through my Hardware Donation programme, has resulted in the release of the AmigaOne X1000 in 2011. With AmigaKit taking care of customer contact and support I can now refocus my efforts on funding new hardware and software initiatives for the benefit of the whole Amiga community. Please refer to the AmigaKit and A-EON Technology website for future updates.
About AmigaKit
AmigaKit is a trading division of Leaman Computing Ltd based in Cardiff, UK. It acquired the stock of Eyetech Group Ltd in 2006 and quickly established itself as a worldwide market leader in the retail and distribution of Amiga hardware and software. A-EON Technology appointed AmigaKit as its primary distributor for the AmigaOne X1000 computer.
About A-EON Technology A-EON Technology was founded in 2009 to fund the development of next generation hardware for the Amiga community working in close cooperation with Hyperion Entertainment, the developers of the AmigaOS.
About the AmigaOne X1000
The AmigaOne X1000 is not like other computers. It is a culmination of efforts by real Amiga enthusiasts and developers to create powerful, modern desktop hardware for the Amiga Operating System. It is the natural evolution of the Amiga’s PowerPC lineage and is based on the PA-Semi Dual-core PA6T-1682M CPU and includes Xena, a “Software Defined Silicon” co-processor. Above all, it runs the latest version of the AmigaOS.
AmiWest 2011 opens tomorrow evening at 5 PM with the classic clinic and a free cold-cuts buffet, courtesy of AmiWest. The rest of the show schedule will be posted this evening.
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News Link: http://amigaprez.wordpress.com/2011/10/20/amigaone-x1000-to-be-at-amiwest-2011/
“First Contact : AmigaOne X1000 Limited Edition
AmiWest 2011, Sacramento, 21st October 2011
AmigaKit and A-EON Technology are pleased to announce that AmigaKit is now taking pre-orders for a First Contact Limited Edition version of the AmigaOne X1000 System.
The First Contact system comprises a fully equipped AmigaOne X1000 complete with the official Boing Ball case and AmigaOS4.1 Update 5 pre-installed. It is also supplied with a license for AmigaOS4.2 which can be downloaded when it is released by Hyperion Entertainment. Matthew Leaman of AmigaKit said “As part of our ongoing commitment to the Amiga community we are delighted to be able to offer the AmigaOne X1000 to our customers. Based on current manufacturing schedules we hope to have the first systems ready for Christmas & New Year delivery. A-EON Technology director Trevor Dickinson added “Its been a long and, at times, difficult journey but we are pleased that the Amiga community will finally have access to this exciting new hardware for the AmigaOS4.
The First Contact system includes the official AmigaOne X1000 Boing Ball case in either black or white and includes the Nemo rev 2.1 motherboard complete with 1GB of DDR2 RAM, a Radeon HD4650 graphics card, 500GB HDD,
DVR R/W optical drive, Audio & Ethernet cards.
Prices start from: £1699, USD $2682.56 (excluding AmigaOS4 license, shipping, handling and sales tax).
Optional extras include the Boing Ball keyboard & mouse, Ram, HDD & Optical drive upgrade options plus Debian Squeeze pre-installed in a dual booting configuration with AmigaOS4. Please refer to the special A1-X1000 system configurator on the AmigaKit website for pricing and upgrade options.
All orders will be processed on a first come first served basis.
About AmigaKit.
AmigaKit is a trading division of Leaman Computing Ltd based in Cardiff, UK. It acquired the stock of Eyetech Group Ltd in 2006 and quickly established itself as a worldwide market leader in the retail and distribution of Amiga hardware and software.
A-EON Technology appointed AmigaKit as its primary distributor for the AmigaOne X1000 computer.
About A-EON Technology.
A-EON Technology was founded in 2009 to fund the
development of next generation hardware for the Amiga community working in close cooperation with Hyperion Entertainment, the developers of the AmigaOS.
About the AmigaOne X1000.
The AmigaOne X1000 is not like other computers. It is a culmination of efforts by real Amiga enthusiasts and developers to create powerful, modern desktop hardware for the Amiga Operating System. It is the natural evolution of the Amiga’s PowerPC lineage and is based on the PA-Semi Dual-core PA6T-1682M CPU and includes Xena, a “Software Defined Silicon” co-processor. Above all, it runs the latest version of the AmigaOS.
Varisys commits to AmigaOne platform
AmiWest 2011, Sacramento, 21st October 2011
A-EON Technology is pleased to announce Varisys, the official developer and manufacturer of the Nemo motherboard for AmigaOne X1000, has strengthened its commitment to the AmigaOne platform.
Throughout the Nemo development phase Varisys has proved an extremely knowledgeable and highly responsive partner. A-EON Technology director Trevor Dickinson said, “We have been very satisfied with Varisys commitment, dedication and quality. When it comes to leading edge PowerPC hardware their level of technical expertise is possibly unrivalled. As a result Varisys has contracted to work on several new development projects to improve and extend the AmigaOne product line.
Adam Barnes, Varisys Technical Director said, There is some exciting cutting edge PowerPC technology on the horizon and we are delighted to have the opportunity of
bringing this to the AmigaOne platform.
Varisys Managing Director Paul Gentle added, “We enjoyed working on the Nemo development which provided our first experience of the global Amiga community. We look forward to extending our relationship with the new projects and will do our best to.
Please refer to the Varisys and A-EON Technology website for future updates.
About Varisys.
Varisys is a producer of Commercial Off The Shelf and provider of bespoke hardware design and manufacturing services for industrial and embedded computing applications. The High Wycombe, UK based company was founded in 2000 by Paul Gentle and Adam Barnes and has earned a reputation for delivering high quality products with a specialisation in PowerPC and FPGA hardware. Varisys have customers in a wide range of industries, in manufacturing, military applications and telecommunications, and are perhaps best known for their development of the PowerPC G4 motherboard used in the immensely popular WholeHog III lighting control console.
About A-EON Technology.
A-EON Technology was founded in 2009 to fund the development of next generation hardware for the Amiga community working in close cooperation with Hyperion Entertainment, the developers of the AmigaOS.
About the AmigaOne X1000.
The AmigaOne X1000 is not like other computers. It is a culmination of efforts by real Amiga enthusiasts and developers to create powerful, modern desktop hardware for the Amiga Operating System. It is the natural evolution of the Amiga’s PowerPC lineage and is based on the PA-Semi Dual-core PA6T-1682M CPU and includes Xena, a “Software Defined Silicon” co-processor. Above all, it runs the latest version of the AmigaOS.
A-EON & AmigaKit form strategic alliance
AmiWest 2011, Sacramento, 21st October 2011
A-EON Technology is pleased to announce it has formed a new strategic alliance with AmigaKit, the official distributor of the AmigaOne X1000.
As part of this alliance, AmigaKit will jointly fund new AmigaOne hardware developments and will market all future products. Matthew Leaman of AmigaKit said, “This move is in line with our desire to bring exciting new products to the Amiga market, such as our ZorRAM memory card and funding the AmigaOS4.1 Classic update. We welcome this new opportunity to support our Amiga customers.
Trevor Dickinson added, “A-EON Technology has a very close working relationship with AmigaKit. We appointed them as our lead distributor and they have played a crucial role in helping to deliver the AmigaOne X1000 to market. He also added, I am also delighted that what originally began as my support for AmigaOS software developers in 2005, through my Hardware Donation programme, has resulted in the release of the AmigaOne X1000 in 2011. With AmigaKit taking care of customer contact and support I can now refocus my efforts on funding new hardware and software initiatives for the benefit of the whole Amiga community. Please refer to the AmigaKit and A-EON Technology website for future updates.
About AmigaKit
AmigaKit is a trading division of Leaman Computing Ltd based in Cardiff, UK. It acquired the stock of Eyetech Group Ltd in 2006 and quickly established itself as a worldwide market leader in the retail and distribution of Amiga hardware and software. A-EON Technology appointed AmigaKit as its primary distributor for the AmigaOne X1000 computer.
About A-EON Technology A-EON Technology was founded in 2009 to fund the development of next generation hardware for the Amiga community working in close cooperation with Hyperion Entertainment, the developers of the AmigaOS.
About the AmigaOne X1000
The AmigaOne X1000 is not like other computers. It is a culmination of efforts by real Amiga enthusiasts and developers to create powerful, modern desktop hardware for the Amiga Operating System. It is the natural evolution of the Amiga’s PowerPC lineage and is based on the PA-Semi Dual-core PA6T-1682M CPU and includes Xena, a “Software Defined Silicon” co-processor. Above all, it runs the latest version of the AmigaOS.
AmiWest 2011 opens tomorrow evening at 5 PM with the classic clinic and a free cold-cuts buffet, courtesy of AmiWest. The rest of the show schedule will be posted this evening.
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$2682.56
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!
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So, you'll be getting one of the CUSA Amigas then?
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Am drooling so much right know actually am suprised at the price think not to bad
Know anyone need kidney ;-( only joking
Yes well done its must taken alot work but finally a modern amiga with dual core awesome work
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Oh well at least it looks like they will finally get it to retail (regardless of the high price) so congrats to all involved :)
It will be interesting to see what kind of demand there is for a high-end ($$$) Amiga system these days.....
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Holy shιt, ~$2700 without OS, tax, or shipping? What, is it made of powdered unicorn genitals? Does it come with a side order of world peace?
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If that is the actual price then my choice is made, I'll get myself a SAM460 because there is now way I will pay that much even for the most awesome Amiga ever built.
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News Link: http://amigaprez.wordpress.com/2011/...-amiwest-2011/
“First Contact : AmigaOne X1000 Limited Edition
AmiWest 2011, Sacramento, 21st October 2011
AmigaKit and A-EON Technology are pleased to announce that AmigaKit is now taking pre-orders for a First Contact Limited Edition version of the AmigaOne X1000 System.
The First Contact system comprises a fully equipped AmigaOne X1000 complete with the official Boing Ball case and AmigaOS4.1 Update 5 pre-installed. It is also supplied with a license for AmigaOS4.2 which can be downloaded when it is released by Hyperion Entertainment. Matthew Leaman of AmigaKit said “As part of our ongoing commitment to the Amiga community we are delighted to be able to offer the AmigaOne X1000 to our customers. Based on current manufacturing schedules we hope to have the first systems ready for Christmas & New Year delivery. A-EON Technology director Trevor Dickinson added “Its been a long and, at times, difficult journey but we are pleased that the Amiga community will finally have access to this exciting new hardware for the AmigaOS4.
The First Contact system includes the official AmigaOne X1000 Boing Ball case in either black or white and includes the Nemo rev 2.1 motherboard complete with 1GB of DDR2 RAM, a Radeon HD4650 graphics card, 500GB HDD,
DVR R/W optical drive, Audio & Ethernet cards.
Prices start from: £1699, USD $2682.56 (excluding AmigaOS4 license, shipping, handling and sales tax).
Optional extras include the Boing Ball keyboard & mouse, Ram, HDD & Optical drive upgrade options plus Debian Squeeze pre-installed in a dual booting configuration with AmigaOS4. Please refer to the special A1-X1000 system configurator on the AmigaKit website for pricing and upgrade options.
All orders will be processed on a first come first served basis.
About AmigaKit.
AmigaKit is a trading division of Leaman Computing Ltd based in Cardiff, UK. It acquired the stock of Eyetech Group Ltd in 2006 and quickly established itself as a worldwide market leader in the retail and distribution of Amiga hardware and software.
A-EON Technology appointed AmigaKit as its primary distributor for the AmigaOne X1000 computer.
About A-EON Technology.
A-EON Technology was founded in 2009 to fund the
development of next generation hardware for the Amiga community working in close cooperation with Hyperion Entertainment, the developers of the AmigaOS.
About the AmigaOne X1000.
The AmigaOne X1000 is not like other computers. It is a culmination of efforts by real Amiga enthusiasts and developers to create powerful, modern desktop hardware for the Amiga Operating System. It is the natural evolution of the Amiga’s PowerPC lineage and is based on the PA-Semi Dual-core PA6T-1682M CPU and includes Xena, a “Software Defined Silicon” co-processor. Above all, it runs the latest version of the AmigaOS.
Varisys commits to AmigaOne platform
AmiWest 2011, Sacramento, 21st October 2011
A-EON Technology is pleased to announce Varisys, the official developer and manufacturer of the Nemo motherboard for AmigaOne X1000, has strengthened its commitment to the AmigaOne platform.
Throughout the Nemo development phase Varisys has proved an extremely knowledgeable and highly responsive partner. A-EON Technology director Trevor Dickinson said, “We have been very satisfied with Varisys commitment, dedication and quality. When it comes to leading edge PowerPC hardware their level of technical expertise is possibly unrivalled. As a result Varisys has contracted to work on several new development projects to improve and extend the AmigaOne product line.
Adam Barnes, Varisys Technical Director said, There is some exciting cutting edge PowerPC technology on the horizon and we are delighted to have the opportunity of
bringing this to the AmigaOne platform.
Varisys Managing Director Paul Gentle added, “We enjoyed working on the Nemo development which provided our first experience of the global Amiga community. We look forward to extending our relationship with the new projects and will do our best to.
Please refer to the Varisys and A-EON Technology website for future updates.
About Varisys.
Varisys is a producer of Commercial Off The Shelf and provider of bespoke hardware design and manufacturing services for industrial and embedded computing applications. The High Wycombe, UK based company was founded in 2000 by Paul Gentle and Adam Barnes and has earned a reputation for delivering high quality products with a specialisation in PowerPC and FPGA hardware. Varisys have customers in a wide range of industries, in manufacturing, military applications and telecommunications, and are perhaps best known for their development of the PowerPC G4 motherboard used in the immensely popular WholeHog III lighting control console.
About A-EON Technology.
A-EON Technology was founded in 2009 to fund the development of next generation hardware for the Amiga community working in close cooperation with Hyperion Entertainment, the developers of the AmigaOS.
About the AmigaOne X1000.
The AmigaOne X1000 is not like other computers. It is a culmination of efforts by real Amiga enthusiasts and developers to create powerful, modern desktop hardware for the Amiga Operating System. It is the natural evolution of the Amiga’s PowerPC lineage and is based on the PA-Semi Dual-core PA6T-1682M CPU and includes Xena, a “Software Defined Silicon” co-processor. Above all, it runs the latest version of the AmigaOS.
A-EON & AmigaKit form strategic alliance
AmiWest 2011, Sacramento, 21st October 2011
A-EON Technology is pleased to announce it has formed a new strategic alliance with AmigaKit, the official distributor of the AmigaOne X1000.
As part of this alliance, AmigaKit will jointly fund new AmigaOne hardware developments and will market all future products. Matthew Leaman of AmigaKit said, “This move is in line with our desire to bring exciting new products to the Amiga market, such as our ZorRAM memory card and funding the AmigaOS4.1 Classic update. We welcome this new opportunity to support our Amiga customers.
Trevor Dickinson added, “A-EON Technology has a very close working relationship with AmigaKit. We appointed them as our lead distributor and they have played a crucial role in helping to deliver the AmigaOne X1000 to market. He also added, I am also delighted that what originally began as my support for AmigaOS software developers in 2005, through my Hardware Donation programme, has resulted in the release of the AmigaOne X1000 in 2011. With AmigaKit taking care of customer contact and support I can now refocus my efforts on funding new hardware and software initiatives for the benefit of the whole Amiga community. Please refer to the AmigaKit and A-EON Technology website for future updates.
About AmigaKit
AmigaKit is a trading division of Leaman Computing Ltd based in Cardiff, UK. It acquired the stock of Eyetech Group Ltd in 2006 and quickly established itself as a worldwide market leader in the retail and distribution of Amiga hardware and software. A-EON Technology appointed AmigaKit as its primary distributor for the AmigaOne X1000 computer.
About A-EON Technology A-EON Technology was founded in 2009 to fund the development of next generation hardware for the Amiga community working in close cooperation with Hyperion Entertainment, the developers of the AmigaOS.
About the AmigaOne X1000
The AmigaOne X1000 is not like other computers. It is a culmination of efforts by real Amiga enthusiasts and developers to create powerful, modern desktop hardware for the Amiga Operating System. It is the natural evolution of the Amiga’s PowerPC lineage and is based on the PA-Semi Dual-core PA6T-1682M CPU and includes Xena, a “Software Defined Silicon” co-processor. Above all, it runs the latest version of the AmigaOS.
AmiWest 2011 opens tomorrow evening at 5 PM with the classic clinic and a free cold-cuts buffet, courtesy of AmiWest. The rest of the show schedule will be posted this evening.
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Well glad to see one in production, but the price is too high for me. For that price though they really should have upped the RAM at least. DDR2 RAM is cheap and anyone not in the Amiga scene won't even consider those specs when a PC with 4GB RAM dual core blah blah blah goes for about $450.00. Anyways if I had the money to spend I would probably get one, but unfortunately for me I'm just not that loaded. Maybe we will get a surprise and demand will sky rocket and prices would come down :). Anyways I wish them luck with this system.
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News Link: http://amigaprez.wordpress.com/2011/...-amiwest-2011/
“First Contact : AmigaOne X1000 Limited Edition
AmiWest 2011, Sacramento, 21st October 2011
AmigaKit and A-EON Technology are pleased to announce that AmigaKit is now taking pre-orders for a First Contact Limited Edition version of the AmigaOne X1000 System.
The First Contact system comprises a fully equipped AmigaOne X1000 complete with the official Boing Ball case and AmigaOS4.1 Update 5 pre-installed. It is also supplied with a license for AmigaOS4.2 which can be downloaded when it is released by Hyperion Entertainment. Matthew Leaman of AmigaKit said “As part of our ongoing commitment to the Amiga community we are delighted to be able to offer the AmigaOne X1000 to our customers. Based on current manufacturing schedules we hope to have the first systems ready for Christmas & New Year delivery. A-EON Technology director Trevor Dickinson added “Its been a long and, at times, difficult journey but we are pleased that the Amiga community will finally have access to this exciting new hardware for the AmigaOS4.
The First Contact system includes the official AmigaOne X1000 Boing Ball case in either black or white and includes the Nemo rev 2.1 motherboard complete with 1GB of DDR2 RAM, a Radeon HD4650 graphics card, 500GB HDD,
DVR R/W optical drive, Audio & Ethernet cards.
Prices start from: £1699, USD $2682.56 (excluding AmigaOS4 license, shipping, handling and sales tax).
Optional extras include the Boing Ball keyboard & mouse, Ram, HDD & Optical drive upgrade options plus Debian Squeeze pre-installed in a dual booting configuration with AmigaOS4. Please refer to the special A1-X1000 system configurator on the AmigaKit website for pricing and upgrade options.
All orders will be processed on a first come first served basis.
About AmigaKit.
AmigaKit is a trading division of Leaman Computing Ltd based in Cardiff, UK. It acquired the stock of Eyetech Group Ltd in 2006 and quickly established itself as a worldwide market leader in the retail and distribution of Amiga hardware and software.
A-EON Technology appointed AmigaKit as its primary distributor for the AmigaOne X1000 computer.
About A-EON Technology.
A-EON Technology was founded in 2009 to fund the
development of next generation hardware for the Amiga community working in close cooperation with Hyperion Entertainment, the developers of the AmigaOS.
About the AmigaOne X1000.
The AmigaOne X1000 is not like other computers. It is a culmination of efforts by real Amiga enthusiasts and developers to create powerful, modern desktop hardware for the Amiga Operating System. It is the natural evolution of the Amiga’s PowerPC lineage and is based on the PA-Semi Dual-core PA6T-1682M CPU and includes Xena, a “Software Defined Silicon” co-processor. Above all, it runs the latest version of the AmigaOS.
Varisys commits to AmigaOne platform
AmiWest 2011, Sacramento, 21st October 2011
A-EON Technology is pleased to announce Varisys, the official developer and manufacturer of the Nemo motherboard for AmigaOne X1000, has strengthened its commitment to the AmigaOne platform.
Throughout the Nemo development phase Varisys has proved an extremely knowledgeable and highly responsive partner. A-EON Technology director Trevor Dickinson said, “We have been very satisfied with Varisys commitment, dedication and quality. When it comes to leading edge PowerPC hardware their level of technical expertise is possibly unrivalled. As a result Varisys has contracted to work on several new development projects to improve and extend the AmigaOne product line.
Adam Barnes, Varisys Technical Director said, There is some exciting cutting edge PowerPC technology on the horizon and we are delighted to have the opportunity of
bringing this to the AmigaOne platform.
Varisys Managing Director Paul Gentle added, “We enjoyed working on the Nemo development which provided our first experience of the global Amiga community. We look forward to extending our relationship with the new projects and will do our best to.
Please refer to the Varisys and A-EON Technology website for future updates.
About Varisys.
Varisys is a producer of Commercial Off The Shelf and provider of bespoke hardware design and manufacturing services for industrial and embedded computing applications. The High Wycombe, UK based company was founded in 2000 by Paul Gentle and Adam Barnes and has earned a reputation for delivering high quality products with a specialisation in PowerPC and FPGA hardware. Varisys have customers in a wide range of industries, in manufacturing, military applications and telecommunications, and are perhaps best known for their development of the PowerPC G4 motherboard used in the immensely popular WholeHog III lighting control console.
About A-EON Technology.
A-EON Technology was founded in 2009 to fund the development of next generation hardware for the Amiga community working in close cooperation with Hyperion Entertainment, the developers of the AmigaOS.
About the AmigaOne X1000.
The AmigaOne X1000 is not like other computers. It is a culmination of efforts by real Amiga enthusiasts and developers to create powerful, modern desktop hardware for the Amiga Operating System. It is the natural evolution of the Amiga’s PowerPC lineage and is based on the PA-Semi Dual-core PA6T-1682M CPU and includes Xena, a “Software Defined Silicon” co-processor. Above all, it runs the latest version of the AmigaOS.
A-EON & AmigaKit form strategic alliance
AmiWest 2011, Sacramento, 21st October 2011
A-EON Technology is pleased to announce it has formed a new strategic alliance with AmigaKit, the official distributor of the AmigaOne X1000.
As part of this alliance, AmigaKit will jointly fund new AmigaOne hardware developments and will market all future products. Matthew Leaman of AmigaKit said, “This move is in line with our desire to bring exciting new products to the Amiga market, such as our ZorRAM memory card and funding the AmigaOS4.1 Classic update. We welcome this new opportunity to support our Amiga customers.
Trevor Dickinson added, “A-EON Technology has a very close working relationship with AmigaKit. We appointed them as our lead distributor and they have played a crucial role in helping to deliver the AmigaOne X1000 to market. He also added, I am also delighted that what originally began as my support for AmigaOS software developers in 2005, through my Hardware Donation programme, has resulted in the release of the AmigaOne X1000 in 2011. With AmigaKit taking care of customer contact and support I can now refocus my efforts on funding new hardware and software initiatives for the benefit of the whole Amiga community. Please refer to the AmigaKit and A-EON Technology website for future updates.
About AmigaKit
AmigaKit is a trading division of Leaman Computing Ltd based in Cardiff, UK. It acquired the stock of Eyetech Group Ltd in 2006 and quickly established itself as a worldwide market leader in the retail and distribution of Amiga hardware and software. A-EON Technology appointed AmigaKit as its primary distributor for the AmigaOne X1000 computer.
About A-EON Technology A-EON Technology was founded in 2009 to fund the development of next generation hardware for the Amiga community working in close cooperation with Hyperion Entertainment, the developers of the AmigaOS.
About the AmigaOne X1000
The AmigaOne X1000 is not like other computers. It is a culmination of efforts by real Amiga enthusiasts and developers to create powerful, modern desktop hardware for the Amiga Operating System. It is the natural evolution of the Amiga’s PowerPC lineage and is based on the PA-Semi Dual-core PA6T-1682M CPU and includes Xena, a “Software Defined Silicon” co-processor. Above all, it runs the latest version of the AmigaOS.
AmiWest 2011 opens tomorrow evening at 5 PM with the classic clinic and a free cold-cuts buffet, courtesy of AmiWest. The rest of the show schedule will be posted this evening.
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If that is the actual price then my choice is made, I'll get myself a SAM460 because there is now way I will pay that much even for the most awesome Amiga ever built.
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Im a little conflicted here. On one hand I think its great that it's looking to be just around the corner now, but damn,... that price is even significantly more than initially touted. Also, why only 1 gig ram? 4 gig ddr2 is worth about $30 retail these days, surely buying in bulk (granted modest numbers for "bulk") is a little cheaper again. For something that starts at about $2700 surely adding a few gig (ie. an extra $15 or so) is reasonable.
Given the price of a case, gfx card, ram, harddrive, etc. that's sure one monster of a pricetag for a mobo+cpu (at least $2500,... all other stuff is worth next to nothing).
While Im happy for those that are interested it's obviously a very niche (as in double figures, low triple if lucky) item. The days of $3000 computers are loooong gone.
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"£1699, usd $2682.56 "
mamma mia!!!! :( :( :(
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My Dad needs a Kidney, shoot me a PM, let's make a deal! I'd rather have a new kidney over this any day...
though if someone wants to buy me one of these, I'm sure I can learn to become an OS4 fan! ;)
Am drooling so much right know actually am suprised at the price think not to bad
Know anyone need kidney ;-( only joking
Yes well done its must taken alot work but finally a modern amiga with dual core awesome work
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Has the XC compiler been ported over to HyperionOS or will tinkerers still have to use a windows/mac/linux machine to compile their binaries for "xena"?
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Has the XC compiler been ported over to HyperionOS or will tinkerers still have to use a windows/mac/linux machine to compile their binaries for "xena"?
Not sure Id have used "HyperionOS" as it makes it sound like an attack (whether it is or not I dont really care, far be it for me to tell you what to say or think), but that aside that's actually a pretty reasonable question. Seems crazy to have a novelty and not be able to use it properly from that machine.
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So, you'll be getting one of the CUSA Amigas then?
No, hopefully a Natami. :)
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crazy
That word describes the whole deal pretty well I think.
PS. Excuse my selective quoting.
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That word describes the whole deal pretty well I think.
PS. Excuse my selective quoting.
Oh, you do have a sense of humour after all! Franko would be proud! :)
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Now, granted, this is the "limited edition" people.
So if it were an xbox game, knock off ten bucks and that will be the regular X1000 pricetag :D
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Wait, this is an actual special edition and it comes with 1GB RAM and no OS!?
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Now, granted, this is the "limited edition" people.
So if it were an xbox game, knock off ten bucks and that will be the regular X1000 pricetag :D
Wondering what Aeon means by limited edition. Tj
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Should be called "Collectors" Edition. Price is about right then. Sure the first re-sale will be around $3000-5000 dollars.
If you think retro is over-priced see how much a pair of "Limited" edition Nike Mag Trainers sell for. Cheap! and you won't take those out of the box (Devalues on first use).
Life!
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Holy shιt, ~$2700 without OS, tax, or shipping? What, is it made of powdered unicorn genitals? Does it come with a side order of world peace?
They are always mentioning the price in UKP first, so I take it they will sell it from Great Britain? Well, EUR €1,950 + OS4 + Shipping/Handling + 20% British VAT on top of that, should make it land around the EUR €2,500 (just for reference: ~ $3,400) mark or beyond for European customers. Mind boggling!
:lol:
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Wondering what Aeon means by limited edition. Tj
Probably that they will sell only a very limited numbers before closing up the shop...
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$2682.56..... plus shipping.... a fool and their money are easily parted. That's just a crazy price.
Even if I was a millionaire I wouldn't buy it. Prices like that are just going hinder the uptake of next gen Amiga's.
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LOL @ price
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Wait, this is an actual special edition and it comes with 1GB RAM and no OS!?
Says in the first post it does come with aos4.1 and a license for aos4.2
The First Contact system comprises a fully equipped AmigaOne X1000 complete with the official Boing Ball case and AmigaOS4.1 Update 5 pre-installed. It is also supplied with a license for AmigaOS4.2 which can be downloaded when it is released by Hyperion Entertainment.
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Says in the first post it does come with aos4.1 and a license for aos4.2
It also says:
Prices start from: £1699, USD $2682.56 (excluding AmigaOS4 license, shipping, handling and sales tax).
A bit self-contradictory....
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Ouch, talk about sticker shock.
I suspect ACube will be selling quite a few 460's in light of this to guys that had hoped the X1000 would be a little more sanely priced.
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Why the criticism regarding the RAM? Would a next gen Amiga use anywhere near 1GB?
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@Delta
Funny...
I`d better use my A4000, AROS-PC & SamFlex (I`d also consider a MOS Powerbook ;-) ) for the time being.
Definitely not worth bothering.
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Why the criticism regarding the RAM? Would a next gen Amiga use anywhere near 1GB?
Don't think the issue here is "will it run OS4..." the issue here is "that price and you're only getting 1GB?"
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Holly flucking ****e batman. I knew this was going to be expesive but ......
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Oh, you do have a sense of humour after all! Franko would be proud! :)
That's humour? :confused: **** me.
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Holly flucking ****e batman. I knew this was going to be expesive but ......
Sure it may be "expesive" but compared to the $2700 whatever you pay for a 27" imac piece of crap it's a bargain.
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I'm not sure why everyone is acting appalled or shocked. You knew it was going to be pricy ! ! ! Its about $200 cheaper than I figured though. :shock:
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If the X1000 was ground-breaking technology then that price might make sense. As it stands, I don't really see anything amazing about it, whether hardware or software.
The magic price point should have been sub-$1,000, even $999 would have made it more appealing.
I'm happy with my Pegasos II + AmigaOS 4.1.
Come to think about it, it's funny that while the Amiga is a proprietary system, it has such a fragmented market if you will (the same with Android or PCs in general). In the Amiga's case, this applies to both hardware and software (which include inspired OSs such as AROS or MorphOS).
Hopefully a prime offering that would overshadow the others will arise out of this mess and push for a coherent hardware/software combo at a competitive price point.
Choice is a good thing. But great choices are even better.
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Sure it may be "expesive" but compared to the $2700 whatever you pay for a 27" imac piece of crap it's a bargain.
Wrong.
The "piece of crap" 27-inch iMac actually starts at $1699. So not quite the bargain in comparison.
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I'm not sure why everyone is acting appalled or shocked. You knew it was going to be pricy ! ! ! Its about $200 cheaper than I figured though. :shock:
Because all the people who are complaining are the people who always complain, and would complain whatever it was. I don't think it's much of a secret that practically all the people commenting on this thread don't like OS4 or Hyperion or whatever.
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As somone has pointed out on another site. Its got half the ram is was supposed to have and seperate audio and ethernet cards despite the mobo having these.
Not a good sign for either the software or possiblly yet another amigaone board with hardware issues ?
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Because all the people who are complaining are the people who always complain, and would complain whatever it was. I don't think it's much of a secret that practically all the people commenting on this thread don't like OS4 or Hyperion or whatever.
I like OS4, and I have no probs with Hyperion. However, I want OS4 on something I can afford. If I'm paying top dollar, I'd want something bleeding edge.
As for imacs, i'm no great fan of the Mac, but you buy a machine for it's software base, and it has a large one.
I know there's a lot of inertia with the PPC platform, and too little time and too few developers on OS4, but I really think they should find a cheaper solution or new processor architecture.
$2682.56 for a computer with no OS licence? that's a joke surely. Does it at least come with a monitor, mouse and keyboard?
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Sure it may be "expesive" but compared to the $2700 whatever you pay for a 27" imac piece of crap it's a bargain.
Uhh, 27" iMac is $1600, lol. I should know, I just bought one a week ago for a family member. 2.7ghz quad core, 4 GB RAM, 1 TB HD, 6770M gfx card, keyboard, mouse and of course the included 27" display. And has a established software base of thousands of software titles. I'm no Mac fanboy, but get your facts straight, lol. Not to mention it's an apples vs. oranges argument, pardon the obvious pun.
The X1000 won't run anything any better than my lowly SAM 440ep will, it's slim pickings on the software end that's the major problem at any price or HW spec.
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Uhh, 27" iMac is $1600, lol. I should know, I just bought one a week ago for a family member. 2.7ghz quad core, 4 GB RAM, 1 TB HD, 6770M gfx card, keyboard, mouse and of course the included 27" display. And has a established software base of thousands of software titles. I'm no Mac fanboy, but get your facts straight, lol. Not to mention it's an apples vs. oranges argument, pardon the obvious pun.
The X1000 won't run anything any better than my lowly SAM 440ep will, it's slim pickings on the software end that's the major problem at any price or HW spec.
Notice how i said "whatever" as i wasn't sure of the price? I was actually referring to the top of the range model as well which is what the x1000 is supposed to be :)
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Well. It's finally here. And at $2700. I feared it would be so.
The release is very contradictory as to what you get for the price. Could it be a hoax ?
Could it be Franko setting up an elaborate ruse ?
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As somone has pointed out on another site. Its got half the ram is was supposed to have and seperate audio and ethernet cards despite the mobo having these.
Not a good sign for either the software or possiblly yet another amigaone board with hardware issues ?
I am a prospective buyer of the X1000, and JJ raises some interesting points here.
It is a lot of money, but truth be told, it is a couple of hundred under what my absolute max was. However, I would like an official reply to the points JJ raises before I consider pulling the trigger.
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Hmmmm...if you click on the link now it brings you to a different article about tickets...
The hoax theory might be true.....what do you think?
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I am a prospective buyer of the X1000, and JJ raises some interesting points here.
It is a lot of money, but truth be told, it is a couple of hundred under what my absolute max was. However, I would like an official reply to the points JJ raises before I consider pulling the trigger.
I would imagine they've just not finished the drivers for the onboard yet... not something I'd worry about. Best prioritise the parts of the OS that you can't just stick a supported card in for.
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here is the link:
http://amigaprez.wordpress.com/2011/10/20/amigaone-x1000-to-be-at-amiwest-2011/
no nightmare or hoax...
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About the same price as my first 486 before I added the £500 the printer cost me.
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@OlafS3 Thanks I couldn't find it anymore :)
All this reminds me of my beginnings on Amiga, I wanted a A3000 but couldn't afford it so I bought a A500 instead and later I finally got my A4000. History will repeat itself I guess since i'll order a SAM460 for now and wait for the "later upgrade" when I see its really worth the money.
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After this news, i will go for a complete 460ex system, Acube ForEver!!!! ^_^
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The price is not exactly surprising, but that doen't make it better. And the thing it comes with only 1 GB RAM, another additional sound and ethernet card doesn't sound too promising, too.
No thanks; I don't like to spend my money that way.
Thumbs down!
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So, you'll be getting one of the CUSA Amigas then?
At least you will be able to run BF3 on the A500x for the same amount of money.
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About the same price as my first 486 before I added the £500 the printer cost me.
And these days about as useful.
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Why the criticism regarding the RAM? Would a next gen Amiga use anywhere near 1GB?
Next generation AmigaOne that is.
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I just can't wait to see some benchmarks, I want to compare it to my Power Mac G5 I got refurbished for $500.
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I didn't know they still made 1 GB DDR2 sticks anymore, most of what I've been putting in desktops are 4 GB DDR3. It's actually surprising that they boast about power consumption and then don't do DDR3. Also surprising is the hard drive at only 500 GB. Whilst I realise that there really aren't any modern apps and that memory is fine for the old software that's available, you are up in the champaign and caviar price range and it would look nicer in the specs to see a 3TB hard drive and at least 4 GB of ram, even if it isn't really used.
The Radeon graphics card introduced 3 years ago may be a little long in the tooth as well....
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What an appropriate name: First Contact. 'cause you sure are gonna get probed on this one.
Let's see...
1gb RAM = $13.99 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820134178)
ATI Radeon 4650 = $39.99 or $14.99 with rebate (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150562)
500GB HD = $49.99 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822145299)
CD/DVD Burner = $16.99 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827151233)
Network card = $6.99 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833166004)
Sound card = $24.99 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16829102003)
Case = $99.99 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811352011)
Power Supply = $14.99 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817170012)
A little googling shows that engineering samples (purchases of 1-2) PA6T CPUs (you know, the "secret" processor we were assured wasn't at the core of this machine) ran around $700 in 2008 or so.
...and we come up with...
$968, plus let's say $25 for shipping for a grand total of...
$993
So the retail cost of the motherboard is $1689.56.
Well played, Aeon.
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I guess custom hardware at this low quantity is expensive. Dropping memory and HD size (which wouldn't be used anyway) seems a reasonable compromise. Plus, I'm reasonably certain that for every "£xxx is too pricey" comment there'll be a number of Amigans that are happy to splash the cash. It may seem pricey compared to intel kit, but perhaps not so expensive when compared to the amount some of us may have spent on our classic amigas or other hobbies.
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So the retail cost of the motherboard is $1689.56.
I'm not sure of the quantities involved here but I imagine they're not huge.
How much time has spent developing and testing this board? How many 'one off' test samples needed to be made before the final revision? How many man hours were spent on this? This wasn't a hobby project like Natami - this is real companies that need to pay salaries.
This isn't a criticism aimed at B00tDisk (I just quoted his post) but seriously, if you want custom hardware that isn't aimed at the mass market - you pay the price.
All credit to Trevor for investing and believing in this; the prices are what they are. *shrug*
Steve
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i am not in the position or have interest to defend A-Eon... But in this case it is not that simple. The Board was designed by a company that wanted their money, different revisions of the board were necessary and then Hyperion also wanted their money for adapting AmigaOS and the Licenses. And we all do not know how many sales they calculated to cover the costs. If the number is low the price is high. I think I read somewhere that they bought 250 pieces of the processor and because it is not produced anymore that means they do not expect to sell more. It is a niche-niche-product for fans, not more not less.
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I guess custom hardware at this low quantity is expensive. Dropping memory and HD size (which wouldn't be used anyway) seems a reasonable compromise. Plus, I'm reasonably certain that for every "£xxx is too pricey" comment there'll be a number of Amigans that are happy to splash the cash. It may seem pricey compared to intel kit, but perhaps not so expensive when compared to the amount some of us may have spent on our classic amigas or other hobbies.
Maybe, but pandora managed it, with a custom motherboard and case to go with it. I'm sure some Amigans will buy it, but A-Eon must know it rules most of us out.
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At least you will be able to run BF3 on the A500x for the same amount of money.
Yea, but you again can't run Amigos, so who wants it?
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Dropping memory
They didn't save squat skimping on the ram. Ram costs practically nothing and they know folks will try and run blender on the thing just because. OWB or that 10 versions behind port of fireyiff with a dozen tabs open, doxbox and blender, yea, 1gb of ram is paltry. Perhaps there's an issue that hasn't been ironed out with the memory situation they're not talking about.
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I do not think either that saving RAM would change much at the price. The most expensive part is the development (company that did it and revisions). And the price depends on the calculated sales (we do not know)
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Not sure Id have used "HyperionOS" as it makes it sound like an attack (whether it is or not I dont really care, far be it for me to tell you what to say or think), but that aside that's actually a pretty reasonable question. Seems crazy to have a novelty and not be able to use it properly from that machine.
XMOS still doesn't have their XC compiler listed in their oss section in the developer tools area. Last I heard from the CEO was that it was their plan to release it but only after they had finalized the language a bit more.
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Yea, but you again can't run Amigos, so who wants it?
But...but...they licensed The Name, man! What more do you want?
fireyiff
Suddenly I've got an idea for a re-theming...
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I am a prospective buyer of the X1000, and JJ raises some interesting points here.
It is a lot of money, but truth be told, it is a couple of hundred under what my absolute max was. However, I would like an official reply to the points JJ raises before I consider pulling the trigger.
As someone else has probably already suggested, the drivers for the on-board sound and Ethernet are just not finished yet.
I suppose it could be a botched motherboard design and they don't work, but I think that is unlikely. Drivers take time and effort to write and manpower is limited, so I would not panic yet.
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Why the criticism regarding the RAM? Would a next gen Amiga use anywhere near 1GB?
Who cares about the RAM, every computer has that.
The whole deal maker with the X1000 was "The Power of X!", and "X" is one thing it doesn't have. Without support for multiple cores, support for the add-on XMOS chip, and support for the "Xorro" slot, what's the point of this hardware?
It is a niche-niche-product for fans, not more not less.
Yet it's been touted as the "rebirth of the Amiga".
Face it, somebody got their expectations up, reality is about to set in.
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$2682.56..... plus shipping.... a fool and their money are easily parted. That's just a crazy price.
Even if I was a millionaire I wouldn't buy it. Prices like that are just going hinder the uptake of next gen Amiga's.
The millionaire sentence does not make any sense. Firstly, if a millionaire or even a multi-millionaire really likes AmigaOS and wants to succeed of course they would buy it. Secondly, you could easy afford to buy 200 AmigaOne X1000s (apx. £400,000) or alternatively become a silent partner and make an investment - and the price would drop to everyone instantly.
Now if I could just win the lottery...
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Who cares about the RAM, every computer has that.
The whole deal maker with the X1000 was "The Power of X!", and "X" is one thing it doesn't have. Without support for multiple cores, support for the add-on XMOS chip, and support for the "Xorro" slot, what's the point of this hardware?
Don't worry, in another two years they'll come out with the X1000x, now with 50% more X!
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As someone else has probably already suggested, the drivers for the on-board sound and Ethernet are just not finished yet.
I suppose it could be a botched motherboard design and they don't work, but I think that is unlikely. Drivers take time and effort to write and manpower is limited, so I would not panic yet.
I need to go back and read some previous pages of this thread, I don't know where this came from. But let's assume it's true, and that your list (ethernet, sound) of not yet working drivers is complete. (I'll assume that you'd list more if there were more to be listed)
If the board is botched, then thre would certainly be more things on your list. Sound is inside the sb600 southbridge, same as SATA, USB, and other things.
Though the SB600 does not include ethernet, so that's obviously a separate chip, and has some chance of a board defect independent of other board features.
I'll assume that they are NOT using the 10Gb XAUI inside the 1682M for the X1000 ethernet. I don't believe this is compatible to 10Mbit/100Mbit/1Gbit, and I do believe that they will have used all available SERDES pins for PCI-Express instead.
Drivers take time, that's why the board is not available for public sale. Beta testers will check this all works when available to them. They're probably using PCI/PCIe sound and ethernet cards that already have drivers until these new drivers are done, so they're not super-suffering. If they do find a board defect, that's what the beta program is for, they'll fix it and we the public won't suffer when final production boards are selling at our local Amiga internet store. Non-beta-testers like me don't need to care.
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The onboard NIC and sound not having drivers, or otherwise having to be circumvented due to them not working with add on cards whatever the cause is irrelevant. What happens when something else doesn't "work" under certain conditions? Sit around with your thumb up your ass waiting for a fix?
Smoke and mirrors - ship stuff when it is a full featured product, don't half ass it just to make deadlines.
This is a market where we all saw the A1, another thing that was promised as the Holy Grail for us.
Would you purchase a car that came from the factory with a sticker saying "additional heater taped down in trunk, despite the fact your car already has a heater you paid for but it seemingly is not being used or may not work".
No, lol. If the drivers aren't ready, don't ship the thing, don't even consider taking preorders.
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Speaking for myself, I'd MUCH rather have an X1000 that needed an ethernet card, than have no X1000 for a few months while they finish the drivers.
So you need to use a plug-in card for a bit instead of the on-board? Would it stop me enjoying it? Nope.
Work on the critical drivers, THEN work on the optional ones.
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that's what the beta program is for
Nah, the whole point of the beta test "program" was to lock in sales before the hype caved in and interest dissipated. It was a hedge against failure.
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As someone else has probably already suggested, the drivers for the on-board sound and Ethernet are just not finished yet.
I suppose it could be a botched motherboard design and they don't work, but I think that is unlikely. Drivers take time and effort to write and manpower is limited, so I would not panic yet.
On Amiga Future #91, page 16, an article by Trevor D. says: "Several changes in the Nemo 2 design meant that certain features no longer worked (e.g. onboard networking, etc.)"
So something changed and as I understand it, some drivers need to be reworked. Hopefully it won't be too long before the proper drivers are ready (for those who can afford it, that is) :(
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Ok where are the pics of this machine???
Rich
ny
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...meanwhile if you buy it... and want to have networking and sound... you need to spend some more cash... Just like if it wasn't enough expense already..
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Speaking for myself, I'd MUCH rather have an X1000 that needed an ethernet card, than have no X1000 for a few months while they finish the drivers.
So you need to use a plug-in card for a bit instead of the on-board? Would it stop me enjoying it? Nope.
Work on the critical drivers, THEN work on the optional ones.
Are you high, lol? You would seriously pay that kind of money to fix what is inoperable at ship date on the mainboard that you have already paid for? What if it turns out the MB stuff just doesn't work at a HW level, EVER? What if the board is chock full of bad traces?
I suppose we should wait for a reply out of them as to why the tacked on cards are needed, but seems to me if I'm shelling out nearly 3 grand for a computer I shouldn't have to buy twice for the functionality of one system.
I'm a SAM user. I'm fine with overpaying for underpowered HW. But the thought that people aren't questioning the reasons behind this, or worse yet - justifying it... Wow.
Explain to me sanely why this thing has tacked on ethernet and sound cards when it has them onboard. Wait! I'll answer that!
1 - the drivers aren't done. Sorry, don't release it then. All due respect, if the drivers are not there for the baseboard, you dropped the ball already bringing this to market. Would you buy a PC from a store if it had a sticker saying "MB NIC will work in 2-4 months, buy a PCIe card if you want to use the Internet!". Fair enough if the drivers are not there, don't put a band aid on a bullet wound and sell a kludge of a product. If you are not ready, you aren't ready.
2 - the HW is hosed and they are circumventing it with add on cards.
I wish Hyperion would just quit dicking around with this cobbled together newfangled/embedded HW lock in crap and just roll out OS 4 for the PPC Mac's. Pains me to see them try and maintain some silly exclusivity nonsense with "built for OS 4" hardware that sees its' way into the hands of hundreds at best, not thousands.
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Why the criticism regarding the RAM? Would a next gen Amiga use anywhere near 1GB?
Yes, Blender can chew thru RAM quite quickly. Seeing as my SAM 440ep can't be upgraded from 512 MB, I bought a SATA SSD to make it more bearable for virtual ram usage.
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Hello All,
What can the X1000 offer me that my $400 G5 Powermac Quad Core can't? It looks like I would be sticking to my G4 Amiga One for a while yet!
Thanks in advance,
Merv Stent
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Are you high, lol? You would seriously pay that kind of money to fix what is inoperable at ship date on the mainboard that you have already paid for? What if it turns out the MB stuff just doesn't work at a HW level, EVER? What if the board is chock full of bad traces?
That's what beta program is for, and they're already on rev 2.1 no? Yes, some people will point to Eyetech's boards as a bad example of such program. One potential bad example does not mean that everyone out there will also fail us. What is the established reputation of Varisys products?
As for why would any sane person buy a board that he has to buy duplicate functionality plugin cards for until the board itself has drivers completed, it's his choice to do so. We know the situation. We can either wait and buy when drivers are finished, or we can buy now and wait. You obviously would wait and buy later, and that's the correct choice for you. He obviously wants it ASAP, and buying it now, with additional expense of duplicated stuff, is correct choice for him. Let each of us make our own informed choices on this. I myself am willing to buy now and wait for drivers to finish, and that also is correct answer for me if I so choose it.
I wish Hyperion would just quit dicking around with this cobbled together newfangled/embedded HW lock in crap and just roll out OS 4 for the PPC Mac's. Pains me to see them try and maintain some silly exclusivity nonsense with "built for OS 4" hardware that sees its' way into the hands of hundreds at best, not thousands.
I'd love to see it on my iBook G4. I'd prefer that to an X1000 or any other desktop. If it's this hard and takes this long to get out a custom Amiga-only desktop, I fear I'll never see an OS4 laptop available that suits me. I'm excited about MorphOS on powerBook, but I'd prefer it on the iBook I already have of course. :) I just wish they had two or three "mouse" buttons. I really hate only having one, even when running OSX. It's caused me problems before not having a second real button, the faked ctrl-click is a right-click (or left, I forget which way it goes now) doesn't always work properly for what I'm doing.
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That's what beta program is for, and they're already on rev 2.1 no? Yes, some people will point to Eyetech's boards as a bad example of such program. One potential bad example does not mean that everyone out there will also fail us. What is the established reputation of Varisys products?
Maybe Varisys has a great reputation, but this is an A-eon product and A-eon's reputation is at the very best unproven.
Somebody brought this up on moobunny already, but let's just put it out here - the X1000 is ostensibly "designed for OS4", right? So why pick a bunch of onboard components that you don't already have, or can't easily write, drivers for? Can't blame that on Varisys, and these boards have been around supposedly in the hands of OS4 dev for well over a year.
I'm looking forward to Amiwest this year!
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I didn't know they still made 1 GB DDR2 sticks anymore, most of what I've been putting in desktops are 4 GB DDR3. It's actually surprising that they boast about power consumption and then don't do DDR3. Also surprising is the hard drive at only 500 GB. Whilst I realise that there really aren't any modern apps and that memory is fine for the old software that's available, you are up in the champaign and caviar price range and it would look nicer in the specs to see a 3TB hard drive and at least 4 GB of ram, even if it isn't really used.
The Radeon graphics card introduced 3 years ago may be a little long in the tooth as well....
Newegg still sells PC100 sticks, PC133, DDR1, DDR2, as well as DDR3. They have 40 products meeting 1GB DDR2 desktop memory search.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007611%20600006060&IsNodeId=1&bop=And&SrchInDesc=ddr2&Page=1&PageSize=20
Do we know if this is a single stick or a pair of 512MB sticks for this kit? If it's 512MB sticks, then Newegg only shows one.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820146521
They cannot do DDR3. The 1682M has a built-in DDR2 controller. There's nothing to connect DDR3 memory to. They cannot do what is not possible. I can't find max memory capacity information for 1682M, I'll have to find and dust off my datasheet at home. But lets assume that any DDR2 slot can take any capacity DDR2 stick, and believe the X1000 spec on wikipedia saying there are 4 DDR2 1066 slots working correctly.
Newegg's largest DDR2-1066 stick is 2GB. 4 of them are 8GB max potential for X1000 in this example, if above assumptions are correct.
If you're willing to slow down to DDR2-800, then you can have a 4GB stick, for potential max of 16GB memory.
Anyone know what the actual capacity max is for 1682M and also X1000 in particular?
Though after all this babbling, I do think that 1GB for AmigaOS is a decent start today. I have 256MB in my XE, and plan to up it to 1GB if I can. (Already have some buffered 1GB sticks of a recommended model to try, just need time...)
As for Graphics card, is it not the newest we will have drivers for? Give Hans time to get to yet newer Radeons. I'd rather have a useful oldish Radeon than a newest of the new Radeon that has no driver and thus gives me a black screen only. To get a driver working well takes time, and for Hans to keep up with every new Radeon that comes out is a very big thing to ask of him.
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I'm excited about MorphOS on powerBook, but I'd prefer it on the iBook I already have of course.
Are you sure it won't work? Looks like all of the iBook G4 line have Radeon chipsets, and I thought that was the primary barrier with the 12" Powerbooks.
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Are you sure it won't work? Looks like all of the iBook G4 line have Radeon chipsets, and I thought that was the primary barrier with the 12" Powerbooks.
MorphOS won't work on any macbook/powerbook/ibook. They have said a future release will work on some powerbooks but it's not out yet.
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Hello All,
What can the X1000 offer me that my $400 G5 Powermac Quad Core can't? It looks like I would be sticking to my G4 Amiga One for a while yet!
Thanks in advance,
Merv Stent
Isn't it quite obvious? The AmigaONE X1000 is designed to run AmigaOS 4.1 as fast as possible.
The G5 Powermac is designed to run MacOS X. That's it. OK, maybe it can run linux too, but it wasn't designed for that.
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Are you high, lol? You would seriously pay that kind of money to fix what is inoperable at ship date on the mainboard that you have already paid for? What if it turns out the MB stuff just doesn't work at a HW level, EVER? What if the board is chock full of bad traces?
I suppose we should wait for a reply out of them as to why the tacked on cards are needed, but seems to me if I'm shelling out nearly 3 grand for a computer I shouldn't have to buy twice for the functionality of one system.
I'm a SAM user. I'm fine with overpaying for underpowered HW. But the thought that people aren't questioning the reasons behind this, or worse yet - justifying it... Wow.
Explain to me sanely why this thing has tacked on ethernet and sound cards when it has them onboard. Wait! I'll answer that!
1 - the drivers aren't done. Sorry, don't release it then. All due respect, if the drivers are not there for the baseboard, you dropped the ball already bringing this to market. Would you buy a PC from a store if it had a sticker saying "MB NIC will work in 2-4 months, buy a PCIe card if you want to use the Internet!". Fair enough if the drivers are not there, don't put a band aid on a bullet wound and sell a kludge of a product. If you are not ready, you aren't ready.
2 - the HW is hosed and they are circumventing it with add on cards.
I wish Hyperion would just quit dicking around with this cobbled together newfangled/embedded HW lock in crap and just roll out OS 4 for the PPC Mac's. Pains me to see them try and maintain some silly exclusivity nonsense with "built for OS 4" hardware that sees its' way into the hands of hundreds at best, not thousands.
The drivers are in development and will come shortly. It's common industry practice to release hardware with beta or unfinished software and/or drivers.
There are many examples out there just to name a couple: MorphOS, no WIFI driver. ACube SAM, no audio driver initially. Apple Siri AI software - beta, Blackberry Playbook, basically unfinished OS, missing key functionality (email/pim).
The list goes on and on and on, and it's quite normal in the tech world. I'm not saying this is the "right" thing to do, but don't harp on A-EON more than you would harp on any other company that does the same thing.
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...meanwhile if you buy it... and want to have networking and sound... you need to spend some more cash... Just like if it wasn't enough expense already..
You can pick up a realtek 8139 or 8029 PCI nic for a few dollars at most flea markets, used computer shops. Same with PCI sound cards. Not a big deal IMHO.
Ok, you will have to wait a bit until the on-board drivers are finished, but at least you can get your machine sooner rather than later then just take the PCI cards out when the drivers get released.
Or just wait and purchase your system later.
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Are you high, lol?
Can we keep this friendly please?
1 - the drivers aren't done. Sorry, don't release it then. All due respect, if the drivers are not there for the baseboard, you dropped the ball already bringing this to market. Would you buy a PC from a store if it had a sticker saying "MB NIC will work in 2-4 months, buy a PCIe card if you want to use the Internet!". Fair enough if the drivers are not there, don't put a band aid on a bullet wound and sell a kludge of a product. If you are not ready, you aren't ready.
We're not talking about a PC though, we're talking about a brand new system with far fewer resources available to it.
If you don't want it until the network chipset is supported, then great - don't buy it. But you'll be the one missing out while the rest of us enjoy the system.
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MorphOS won't work on any macbook/powerbook/ibook. They have said a future release will work on some powerbooks but it's not out yet.
Right, but I thought we were discussing that future release to begin with.
Isn't it quite obvious? The AmigaONE X1000 is designed to run AmigaOS 4.1 as fast as possible.
The G5 Powermac is designed to run MacOS X. That's it. OK, maybe it can run linux too, but it wasn't designed for that.
If it's designed to run OS4 you'd think they'd have working OS4 drivers...
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If it's designed to run OS4 you'd think they'd have working OS4 drivers...
The computer is designed to run OS4 - the chipset isn't.
They will have picked hardware which they know they can write drivers for, but someone's still got to write the drivers, and that takes time. Hyperion aren't a big company, they can't do everything all at once.
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$2682.56..... plus shipping.... a fool and their money are easily parted. That's just a crazy price.
Even if I was a millionaire I wouldn't buy it. Prices like that are just going hinder the uptake of next gen Amiga's.
Hmmm... around 70% the price I paid for my A2000 setup in '87.....
Mind you, I did get a dot matrix printer and a A1081 monitor too.
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You can pick up a realtek 8139 or 8029 PCI nic for a few dollars at most flea markets, used computer shops. Same with PCI sound cards. Not a big deal IMHO.
Ok, you will have to wait a bit until the on-board drivers are finished, but at least you can get your machine sooner rather than later then just take the PCI cards out when the drivers get released... but yes, I'd rather wait to get a fully functional machine and probably a slightly better price
Or just wait and purchase your system later.
Well, the point is.. you would spend over US$2,600 for the X1000 at least and that cannot get you any audio nor networking capabilities on it ... whether is lack of drivers (or updated drivers) or whatever, it's a total shame...
I'm wondering if there's an option not to buy the huge case and extras for overseas buyers to save on import fees+shipping... didn't anyone at Hyperion mention that possibility?
Cheers,
Dragster
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What can the X1000 offer me that my $400 G5 Powermac Quad Core can't?
It can run Amiga OS4.something, obviously. But you of course already know that. If that's not a requirement, then X1000 may not be of any use at all to you. I would guess it'll do that and anything else a good bit faster than your AmigaOne G4, but if that's also not a requirement then it's also maybe not useful at all for you.
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So what people are saying is that everyone should be fawning over a $3000 system that has nonfunctional hardware on the mobo, requiring additional investment just to get "the basics", just because it's a "new Amiga"? There's a valid concern that said onboard hardware might never work, don't you think? After the A1 fiasco with build quality and nice promises, I think people do have a right to be leery, IMO.
It's not common industry practice to ship products without drivers, not by a long shot, lol. This is not "beta", this is a matter of having 2 very important motherboard chips simply being useless and they must be replaced by add ons. Stuff is being shipped that doesn't work until you buy additional cards.
It's like buying a car and finding a hand drawn picture of an engine on a slab of paper under the hood that says "call us in 2 months and you'll be able to use this thing, maybe!" It's even more of an onion in the ointment that you can add cards to get this working on your dime. The drivers are there for the add-ons, after all this time why not for the onboard? If I am paying for a NIC/Sound on the board, then being forced buy add on cards to get very basic functionality, that's just insane. You are being forced to spend more money if you want audio or networking. A computer is a doorstop without networking out of the box in basic form in my books. The acceptance by the community in regards to half arsed solutions is a major part of the problem - I haven't bought a computer in 15+ years that hasn't had functional networking out of the box.
Shipping kludge products may be sadly common on the current Amiga machines, but it's not industry standard by a remote stretch in the the big scheme of computing.
As was said, no skin off me if people want to spend this kind of cash, but it's zero progress for the Amiga community in my books when you factor in price vs. performance, but that's nothing new. I suppose that's also why there's so much interest in the grassroots (cheaper) solutions coming like Natami and Mike's FPGA board. I paid $800 for my 440ep/OS 4 kit, so I guess I'm as guilty as the next dude - but $800 is a far cry from $3000. That being said, to Hyperion's credit - I have never hit a single driver issue on my SAM 440ep, zero USB problems either. I hope people that buy these machines enjoy them, sincerely - I simply wouldn't buy one at half the price when the 460 is a viable option.
Said it 1000 times before, will say it again - Hyperion could sell 25 times the number of OS 4 copies if they supported PPC Mac's, but they seem to stick to this ideal that proprietary high buck solutions are the way to go. The PPC mac's don't have a widely varying amount of HW configs, it just makes no sense to me why Hyperion as a SW company would not try to broaden the audience by supporting the most wide base of HW.
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Well, the point is.. you would spend over US$2,600 for the X1000 at least and that cannot get you any audio nor networking capabilities on it ...
Again, this is a temporal phenomena which will clear up later. You're either willing to accept this and pay now, or you're not and wait to pay later with things do work. Your own choice.
(Eyetech never promised me that sound would ever come out of my motherboard at all, heck, they promised it would not, by leaving out a chip where it belonged, but now it does audio just fine. I'm patient like that)
I'm wondering if there's an option not to buy the huge case and extras for overseas buyers to save on import fees+shipping... didn't anyone at Hyperion mention that possibility?
This thread is about the "Limited Edition", which is a defined system kit specced out on the web page. If you want some configuration other than this defined "Limited Edition" kit, then you'll want to wait for some other configuration more to your satisfaction to become available. You may want the possibly upcoming "Caseless Edition", "Motherboard-Only Edition", or some other kit that someone will sell someday, if any of their definitions suit you.
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It's common industry practice to release hardware with beta or unfinished software and/or drivers.
Bullcrap.
There are many examples out there just to name a couple: MorphOS, no WIFI driver. ACube SAM, no audio driver initially. Apple Siri AI software - beta, Blackberry Playbook, basically unfinished OS, missing key functionality (email/pim).
Oh, I see, you didn't mean common industry practice, you meant common industry failure. (Sorry, MorphOS.)
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No Paula == No Amiga.
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So, you'll be getting one of the CUSA Amigas then?
CUSA would be probably wiser 'investment' given the amount of software available, hardware compatibility...
this kind of pricing reminds me of hi-fi, hi-end audio equipment. some sort of 'snake-oil'.
it is so ridiculously high to make suckers see it as valuable just because of price.
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The PPC mac's don't have a widely varying amount of HW configs, it just makes no sense to me why Hyperion as a SW company would not try to broaden the audience by supporting the most wide base of HW.
Because the enemy got there first. Simple as that.
I still find it amazing that they ever ported to the Pegasos II.
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Well, the point is.. you would spend over US$2,600 for the X1000 at least and that cannot get you any audio nor networking capabilities on it ... whether is lack of drivers (or updated drivers) or whatever, it's a total shame...
I'm wondering if there's an option not to buy the huge case and extras for overseas buyers to save on import fees+shipping... didn't anyone at Hyperion mention that possibility?
Cheers,
Dragster
Well no one is forcing you to buy it. Being an Amiga user has never been cheap. Yes, under Commodore times we had lower prices (on some models), but we also had 10x the volume. Volume manufacturing brings down price. We don't have that any more. Batches of production today are probably in the 10's, 50's and 100's at best, which makes component costs per unit much higher and obviously drives the overall cost up. It's been a fact of life for years in the Amiga market for true AmigaOS machines.
It is beyond me why we have the discussion about price every single time a new piece of hardware, or OS release (be it MorphOS or AmigaOS4) is released. The answer and reasoning hasn't changed. Do people just not get it? Low volumes + niche product = higher price.
There are cheaper alternatives, such as AROS and MorphOS on old PowerPC macs, or WinUAE/Amiga Forever. Pick one and be my guest.
As for the motherboard being separate vs. a complete system, that is a business decision made by A-EON. There was a strong desire to ship a complete computer system fully working, with AmigaOS4 pre-installed. Unless AmigaKit makes arrangement for local distributors to re-sell the X1000 then you'd have to pay shipping costs for the system, yes. This is no different than ordering anything else online, except that this is a probably a fairly heavy package, thus probably higher shipping cost.
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IMHO, a price like that is justified only if the computer is capable of doing something truly special. Is that the case here?
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Bullcrap.
Oh, I see, you didn't mean common industry practice, you meant common industry failure. (Sorry, MorphOS.)
It might be bullcrap but that's the way it is. I don't necessarily agree with it.
Software development is *never* complete, it's an on-going evolving process. At a certain point you have to make the decision to ship something - fully completed or not. As a business you eventually have to sell *something* to make some return on your investment. If every company held out until everything was completely done then many companies probably wouldn't make it, or they would go deeper into debt and dig themselves into a hole that would be very difficult to get out of.
BTW, this is the same for hardware as it is software. Ever seen an errata list for CPU's? It's a nightmare.
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IMHO, a price like that is justified only if the computer is capable of doing something truly special. Is that the case here?
Oddly, no.
It should be faster then a system from Acube, but that hardly justifies this much of a premium.
Should MorphOS ever be ported to the Mac G5, comparison benchmarks would make this investment look appallingly foolish.
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Well no one is forcing you to buy it.
"Nobody's making you buy it": the go-to argument when there's absolutely no other defense for a product. Of course nobody's making me buy it, but that doesn't make it not comically expensive, even by PPC standards.
As for the motherboard being separate vs. a complete system, that is a business decision made by A-EON. This is no different than ordering anything else online, except that this is a probably a fairly heavy package, thus probably higher shipping cost.
Uh, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that exactly the point? People would like to have the option to buy the board so that they don't have to shell out for international shipping for a complete mini-tower system (on top of the already high cost.) Of course A-EON has the prerogative to decide whether they're going to offer that, but it doesn't make them not unreasonable if they decide not to.
"That is a business decision made by A-EON" is exactly like "no one is forcing you to buy it": a statement of the blindingly obvious as though it's somehow a refutation of all criticism. Yes, duh, of course A-EON is within their rights to make the decisions they have - but simply because you have the right to do something doesn't (and never will) make it necessarily a good decision.
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Oddly, no.
It should be faster then a system from Acube, but that hardly justifies this much of a premium.
Should MorphOS ever be ported to the Mac G5, comparison benchmarks would make this investment look appallingly foolish.
I think it would make more sense to compare it with another AmigaOS 4.1 machine, and not a system running a different operating system.
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I think it would make more sense to compare it with another AmigaOS 4.1 machine, and not a system running a different operating system.
Maybe you do, but $10 says my G5 will smoke an X1000 on any benchmark (except perhaps 3D acceleration) - and I got it for 1/5th to 1/6th the cost of this "limited edition."
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Price is justified IF somebody is willing to buy it and it seems so.
Ofcourse we all hope that there would be cheaper hardware, but it doesn't seems to be likely?
Funny thing is that most of people who are crying price here wouldn't buy this, even if price would be 100€
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Maybe you do, but $10 says my G5 will smoke an X1000 on any benchmark (except perhaps 3D acceleration) - and I got it for 1/5th to 1/6th the cost of this "limited edition."
If my requirement of a system is to run OS4, then your cheapo G5 will be absolutely useless to me, and ths a complete 100% waste of money. Regardless of clock rates, number of cores, or whatever, the X1000 will smoke your G5 on all OS4 benchmarks. Yea, X1000 is more expensive, but at least I CAN use it for what I want to do.
(do understand that I'd very much prefer an L1000 (L for Laptop) and that I'd love to have OS4 on my iBook. That's not possible. Nore is OS4 on your G5 possible, for much the same reason.)
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Does the driver less hardware work under linux ? Im not in the market for a 3000 dollar computer, but Im kinda curious if its just OS4 limitations.
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Because the enemy got there first. Simple as that.
Hyperion was against porting to Mac PPC hardware LOOOOOONNNNNNNGGGGGG before MorphOS was on PPC Macs. The reason they gave publically was the absence of datasheets, register definitions, etc. to the public (ie. outside of Apple themselves) for some chips in Apple hardware. (ie. Apple designed northbridges and such)
http://amigamac.wikispaces.com/
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If my requirement of a system is to run OS4, then your cheapo G5 will be absolutely useless to me, and ths a complete 100% waste of money. Regardless of clock rates, number of cores, or whatever, the X1000 will smoke your G5 on all OS4 benchmarks. Yea, X1000 is more expensive, but at least I CAN use it for what I want to do.
(do understand that I'd very much prefer an L1000 (L for Laptop) and that I'd love to have OS4 on my iBook. That's not possible. Nore is OS4 on your G5 possible, for much the same reason.)
You're absolutely right Bill.
But by the end of this year I will have MorphOS running on a Powerbook.
And, while it might benchmark slightly slower, it will also cost a small fraction of what an X1000 will cost.
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And if you ran linux on that powerbook, it'd actually have wireless internet.
Why bother with the dick waving guys ?
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And if you ran linux on that powerbook, it'd actually have wireless internet.
Why bother with the dick waving guys ?
True. And Linux also supports other hardware (G5s, multiple processors, better video).
I'm running Ubuntu on my Quicksilver right now (and it can support the R300 and R400 video cards I've got fully).
But we're talking Amigoid OS' right now. And there is a beta driver for some wireless cards that is being bandied about.
Personally, I stll use wired connections on all my PCs because its faster.
And I sure don't want to get in a "dick waving" contest. Personally, I'd consider AOS4 if the hardware was slightly more reasonable.
Right now, the only NG OS' that work on affordable hardware are MorphOS and AROS.
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If my requirement of a system is to run OS4, then your cheapo G5 will be absolutely useless to me.
(do understand that I'd very much prefer an L1000 (L for Laptop) and that I'd love to have OS4 on my iBook. That's not possible. Nore is OS4 on your G5 possible, for much the same reason.)
And whose fault is that? I'll give you a hint, it starts with H and rhymes with "Tiberian."
Hyperion was against porting to Mac PPC hardware LOOOOOONNNNNNNGGGGGG before MorphOS was on PPC Macs. The reason they gave publically was the absence of datasheets, register definitions, etc. to the public (ie. outside of Apple themselves) for some chips in Apple hardware. (ie. Apple designed northbridges and such)
http://amigamac.wikispaces.com/
And now that crap is all defined well enough that I'm sitting here running Debian happy as a clam on a Power Mac G5, and there's still no OS4 for PPC Macs.
Funny thing is that most of people who are crying price here wouldn't buy this, even if price would be 100€
If this thing cost 100EUR, I'd absolutely buy it. But it doesn't, and I won't.
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And whose fault is that? I'll give you a hint, it starts with H and rhymes with "Tiberian.".
Absolutely, Hyperion wants to help sell new hardware.
And now that crap is all defined well enough that I'm sitting here running Debian happy as a clam on a Power Mac G5, and there's still no OS4 for PPC Macs..".
And Macs are defined enough to port Linux to, so there is enough documentation.
If this thing cost 100EUR, I'd absolutely buy it. But it doesn't, and I won't.
I'd pay more then that, but almost $2700? No way.
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Imagine if all OS4 software was custom written for a machine like this and could run on no other! OS4 users would be up a creek without a paddle, especially since this is the only "Amiga" with that progrmmable CPU thing.
I was excited, and was hoping the price was going to fall around $1,300.
That's the highest amount I'm willing to spend on a next gen "Amiga" that lacks the old custom chips.
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Price is justified IF somebody is willing to buy it and it seems so.
Ofcourse we all hope that there would be cheaper hardware, but it doesn't seems to be likely?
Funny thing is that most of people who are crying price here wouldn't buy this, even if price would be 100€
Oh, maybe they will buy the hardware - but then they will cry about the incredible high price of the OS! ;) Been there, seen it (MorphOS).
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For as little as I spent on my Mac. I for one am not complaining about the price of MorphOS.
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That word describes the whole deal pretty well I think.
PS. Excuse my selective quoting.
ah it's ok Piru....we all know you truly care about every single A-Eon, ACube, and AmigaOS4.x thread:roflmao:
btw, I'm looking forward to trying out MOS on my X1000:afro:
On Topic:
!!! congrats to A-Eon for delivering the goods !!!
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You can pick up a realtek 8139 or 8029 PCI nic for a few dollars at most flea markets, used computer shops. Same with PCI sound cards. Not a big deal IMHO.
Sorry to enter the discussion this way, however no. He (she, me... maybe it's better saying "we"). We don't have to spend additional €5 to buy a PCI network card for a system thats costs over € 2000. It's who builds the machine who asks me to spend over € 2000 for his product, that should do that, silently, without pretending anything in exchange, but simply telling us "you know, we were a little late with the onboard drivers, but since we care for our beloved customers (we really SHOULD care about our customers, since they LOVE us enough to spend so much money for our system), we've added a € 5 network card you can use from day 1. We're sorry for that. The day we'll release the driver, you can free up a PCI slot to use it they way you like".
Some times ago Stephen Jones sold his iMica systems, whose mainboard was only partially supported by the OS (sound and some other stuff didn't work with AROS). Well, he replaced the missing features with proper PCI cards until the mainboard got fully supported. Then he even cut the price. And he didn't sell them for € 2000. Nor for € 1000, but less, much less money.
Hard core amigans won't ever stop astonishing me, when it has to do with protecting people who charge them with oversized prices for underwpowered systems, but please, please go on. I can't live without the poor excuses they use to do that.
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Right, but I thought we were discussing that future release to begin with.
MorphOS 3.0 will not support iBooks. It will support Powerbooks 1.5 & 1.67 GHz 15" and 17". And it will not run on ibooks by chance. The boards are actually having enough differences to avoid this. Plus MorphOS itselfs checks for the hardware and doesn't proceed the boot process if the hardware is not on the list of supported hardware.
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Weell, Tomorrow I'll buy one.... when I'll win the euromilions, but 2000 euros A-Eon makes a computer or a Ferrari? are they crazy?(as say Obelix)
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New stuff always cost more when it is first released.
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Sorry to enter the discussion this way, however no. He (she, me... maybe it's better saying "we"). We don't have to spend additional €5 to buy a PCI network card for a system thats costs over € 2000. It's who builds the machine who asks me to spend over € 2000 for his product, that should do that, silently, without pretending anything in exchange, but simply telling us "you know, we were a little late with the onboard drivers, but since we care for our beloved customers (we really SHOULD care about our customers, since they LOVE us enough to spend so much money for our system), we've added a € 5 network card you can use from day 1. We're sorry for that. The day we'll release the driver, you can free up a PCI slot to use it they way you like".
Some times ago Stephen Jones sold his iMica systems, whose mainboard was only partially supported by the OS (sound and some other stuff didn't work with AROS). Well, he replaced the missing features with proper PCI cards until the mainboard got fully supported. Then he even cut the price. And he didn't sell them for € 2000. Nor for € 1000, but less, much less money.
Hard core amigans won't ever stop astonishing me, when it has to do with protecting people who charge them with oversized prices for underwpowered systems, but please, please go on. I can't live without the poor excuses they use to do that.
I'll have to respectfully disagree with you. And BTW, in order for me to get AROS to work I had to buy such a RTL 8139 card and Sound card. AROS doesn't support my on-board NIC. But I am not complaining about it. It's a requirement if I want to run AROS.
On-board drivers for _all_ hardware on the X1000 will come, the drivers are in development. The motherboard, however, is ready, has been vetted on Linux, all the on-board stuff works.
So you can now buy the X1000 system and add your own Network card and Sound card. Or wait until the drivers are done.
Also, did you not read my post about low volumes + niche market? High prices are nothing new, you should know that by now. This is not commodity hardware, but brand new system, built for OS4 specifically and it is low volume, high cost. Yes, that is a fact.
The entire idea is to garner excitement about AmigaOS 4, get people and companies interested again by releasing a steady stream of new hardware. Maybe everyone can't afford the X1000 - you can buy a SAM - it's cheaper.
Certainly any company considering to purchase an AmigaOS4 system will want to buy a complete system, not a used PowerMac, for example.
Anyway, if anyone thinks A-EON is getting rich by the X1000 then I'm sure you are totally wrong. I bet there is minimal if any profit, just enough to keep going and hopefully develop follow on products. A-EON was started by Trevor who is a true Amiga fan and has a passion for this and truly wants to see the Amiga rise again.
Everyone should be happy A-EON is taking a big risk and shelling out the money to try to get this market going again.
You may not ever by this system but you should be encouraging this and not be against it.
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wants to see the Amiga rise again.
Wow. Just wow.
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And these days about as useful.
Make of it what you will. It was just an observation on what is considered a reasonable price these days, for the sake of social science.
Back in the day my £1500 486 was a bargain. It was as good as many £2000 PCs of the day yet my A1200 was £300. The PCs offered some advantages over the Amiga and the Amiga offered some advantages over the PC. Let's not forget of course that PC's of that time had hard drives, sound cards, CD-ROM's and four times the amount of RAM compared to an A1200.
Now the situation is very much reversed in terms of price. £300 PC or £1500 Amiga?
The PC still offers the same advantages over the Amiga as it did before (raw power and standardized components). Now more of the Amiga's components are standardized parts too of course, the PPC processor and OS are the main differences now.
I have a PC, a netbook, various consoles and five Amiga's already, maybe I should sell some classic Amiga's (just keeping my A1200 and CD32) and put it towards an X1000. Can I justify £1500 on the most powerful Amiga ever?
For some £1500 is pocket change, for others it's just not feasible financially to pay out so much for a hobby computer. Ironically my 486 was my hobby computer when I bought my A1200, I ran more productivity software on my Amiga than I did my PC.
Sadly I can't afford £1500 for now and selling a few classic Amiga's will most likely not even make a dent in the price. However, I know full well that at other times of my life I wouldn't have cared that it was £1500, it's about the same amount my current PC cost when I built it too, and it's had a lot of upgrades since then. Well... ..Maybe next year. ;)
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Of course it's extremely expensive.
That's due to scale. They're probably not trying to make A LOT OF money on margins.
What really surprises me is how the hell those guys manage to get finance for a project like this?
Investing money to produce a new machine, different from all the mainstream architectures, in order to run a semi-hobbyist/not complete Operating System that just ~0.0005% of the potential computer buyers could at least understand what it is, and, OH, it would cost more than a brand new quad core i7 17" macbook pro?
Where the heck those guys took the money from? They really expect some return over their investments?
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£1699 (excluding AmigaOS4 license, shipping, handling and sales tax).
Wham! You just got bitch slapped by a computer, Xena the computer warrior!
:pint:
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guys the 'it's too expensive' discussion is getting too old yet again. Hopefully A-Eon will offer the MB only in the future for people to save money but other than that all this talk about pricing is futile
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If a thread is posted about the X1000, I'm going to offer my opinion about the X1000.
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I love the machine, hate the price.
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The millionaire sentence does not make any sense.
Makes perfect sense, hence the phrase before hand - "A fool and his/her money is easily parted".
I paid $1500 NZD when the A500 came out back in the 80's. It was a kick ass machine, nothing came close to it. Multitasking, graphics and running 3 or 4 programs at once with 1MB RAM.
$2700 USD for this machine and the hardware we're getting is a few years old, and the processor isn't made anymore also the way it's worded you don't get the OS at that price.
Also this is USD, so by the time it gets to NZ it's probably going to be $4k including shipping it down here.
If I was a millionaire I'll be back natami or FPGA arcade. Smart money on a product that will be going places.
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Hmmm... around 70% the price I paid for my A2000 setup in '87.....
Mind you, I did get a dot matrix printer and a A1081 monitor too.
..and an OS, and working hardware. (reading about the addon cards needed... insanity). Plus the a2000 was a great machine at the time.
I do want Amiga to come back, but charging this sort of dollars and for something that's not 100% isn't going to work.
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Afraid, afraid,afraid about price.
who many units will they sold at this price?
What will be the price for people buying after this "First Contact Limited Edition version"? More expensive?
Afraid, afraid,afraid, I'm very afraid. :-(
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I love the machine, hate the price.
+1.
I still think this is the only real amigaone that can call itself "computer". It's truly overpriced but not so much as acube machines with a price/performance ratio.
Honestly i hope the best to x1000.
And by seeing how it sell i think we should see the future of amigaos.
I'm not a os4 customer but, being an amiga lover, i want to thank trevor dickinson (and aeon) for his courage.
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Do programs for the Sam 460 run on the X1000 (binary compatible)? Do programs for the X1000 run on the Sam 460 (besides the ones that require the xmos)?
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Anything that will run on the X1000 will run on a lowly SAM 440ep unless it specifically hits that custom hardware or has extended resource requirements.
I've never had an issue in 3 years with anything off the major OS 4 channels like os4depot.net not running on my SAM 440ep anyways, even stuff written many years ago that could technically be seen as stuff from the "A1" days.
Software wise, OS 4 is a pretty good pig no matter what you run it on in regards to the modern native PPC boards.
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Makes perfect sense, hence the phrase before hand - "A fool and his/her money is easily parted".
I paid $1500 NZD when the A500 came out back in the 80's. It was a kick ass machine, nothing came close to it. Multitasking, graphics and running 3 or 4 programs at once with 1MB RAM.
$2700 USD for this machine and the hardware we're getting is a few years old, and the processor isn't made anymore also the way it's worded you don't get the OS at that price.
Also this is USD, so by the time it gets to NZ it's probably going to be $4k including shipping it down here.
If I was a millionaire I'll be back natami or FPGA arcade. Smart money on a product that will be going places.
There'd be nothing stopping you (as a millionaire) supporting all these things. I am not really into retro gear tbh, but of course I wish the Natami or FPGA Arcade my every success - thats not to say I wouldn't throw them a few thousands also - ha if I could. :laughing:
"A fool and his money is easily parted" (edited to remove political correctness)
I know this phrase, but you cannot apply to everyone.
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Do programs for the Sam 460 run on the X1000 (binary compatible)? Do programs for the X1000 run on the Sam 460 (besides the ones that require the xmos)?
Right now testers have reported that some apps that run across the current OS 4 base don't run on the x1000 yet.
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an (sic) heretic is a morphos user!
I am NOT a heretic.
I just have enough common sense to refrain from buying an overpriced solution when a better one is at hand that's cheaper.
And kudos to Xdelusion. I love the X1000 design too (and hate the price).
I hope A-eon remains solvent and releases there next board (which will probably be based on a Freescale processor).
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I feel the same as Iggy here, although, I am glad to see that this product is coming together. Looking at some pictures and reading some articles this morning about the X1000, it *sounds* impressive and looks cool.
The price rumors I guess you might call them, seem kind of high. 1500 Euro is almost 2100 bucks in US dollars. That seems steep, however, no one can say that it's not consistent with the absurd C= pricing model. My first A2000 with 1MB of memory, 1 floppy, a 1084 and a 2090 controller with a 20MB Miniscribe MFM drive was over $3,000!
I guess it remains to be seen, just like anything else, I think it would be wise to wait until the tree is shaken to see what falls out.
Hopefully, it will pan out and be at a price average joe's like me can afford. :)
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Wondering what Aeon means by limited edition. Tj
Means they are going to sell a very "limited" number of them at that price. . .
I thought it was going to be the same price as the original 1000? Now we are close to triple that.
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The price rumors I guess you might call them, seem kind of high. 1500 Euro is almost 2100 bucks in US dollars.
The price has been *confirmed* to ~ EUR €1,950 excluding OS4 (seems to be included in the "first contat limited edition" though?), shipment of a big and heavy package (with insurance?), and 20% VAT (if it's UK based). With that included it should land at about EUR €2,500 for European customers. You want the keyboard and mouse as well, pay even more! Want more memory, pay even more! Want a bigger HDD, pay even more!
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Wait, this is an actual special edition and it comes with 1GB RAM and no OS!?
Yeah it's like them Porsches with no carpet or electric windows and flat paint that costs more :)
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Reading through this thread it is obvious it has degenerated into an OS4 vs MOS bitching thread sadly.
The reality is you can't buy Battlefield 2 let alone 3 for MOS OR OS4 so they are hobbyist systems. Neither OS4 or MOS running machines are actually Amigas anyway. An Amiga will accept my original Cinemaware game floppies and has hardware chipsets in them (OCS/ECS/AGA). MOS machines are just Macs not running OS X or Linux but something else. So no different to me running UAE on a NEXT station on Open/NEXTSTEP really. Expensive way not to use Win/Mac/Linux UAE if you ask me :roflmao:
To put it all into perspective, both OS4 and MOS are INFERIOR to NEXTSTEP 3.3 from 1996 FACT.
Running UAE on something other than an x86 box is no big deal to me, I'd rather have a spare A1000 for when mine dies and spare cash from not buying OS4/MOS capable hardware. Why? Because it's bad enough with Macs having no games to use their fast CPUs but these so called 'Next Gen Amiga' machines have games you could probably write on an Atari Jaguar haha.
Keep it in perspective people, it's like two retards in the playground fighting over who is the most retarded looking at these OS4 vs MOS bitch fests.
As for AROS...if you don't like it you can put back the copy of Windows that came in the box with your computer and carry on with using it as just a tool. You haven't got some old or new unwanted computer sitting under your desk reminding you of the money you wasted on it JUST SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO USE OS X/LINUX/Windows :)
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Reading through this thread it is obvious it has degenerated into an OS4 vs MOS bitching thread sadly.
You are wrong. If that's what you think after reading through the thread, you should try reading it again in order to really grasp what it's about...
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I have watched the whole os4 thing with interest but I always think they really don't want any success at all. If they did, they would find hardware that is inexpensive so that the amount of users using os4 would grow (and with that more developers would develop for it)
2700$ + OS liscence for a computer with no networking and sound (Maybe it will work someday but you get no guarentee of that when you buy it)
Oh yeah there's the X chip that dosn't come with any software to use it
and there's a second core on the processor that may never work.
Lets not forget that 2700$ apparently does not include a monitor, mouse or keyboard, and only gets you 1gig of ram.
To say I don't get it is not enough to really explain how I feel about this. Some people are rushing to their defense and seem angry people are being critical. How could you NOT be critical of this? The whole thing just sounds insane, because it is.
If it was 3k but included at least 4 gigs of ram, keyboard, mouse monitor and everything worked, I wouldn't say anything at all. To charge that much for a half working system that is so crippled right out of the box is beyond insane.
What os4 really needs is a 300$ computer that runs os4 decently, regardless of specs and so on. Even a 500$ computer may have a chance to spread os4, but 2700$ For a crippled half working computer that has no software? I'm a huge amiga fan, but I can't even justify buying a sam board because of the low specs. If huge fans of amiga won't buy them, they have zero change of anyone else being interested.
Its like they purposely don't want it to succeed. Just seems insane to me, and I'm sure I'm not the only one.
Steven
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@haywirepc
Sounds like you might like the low cost Amiga OS 4.x laptop coming out then.
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Yes I may, I didn't hear anything about a laptop, is there any specs or info anywhere?
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Yes I may, I didn't hear anything about a laptop, is there any specs or info anywhere?
It was mentioned at AmiWest.
http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=59523
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Maybe Varisys has a great reputation, but this is an A-eon product and A-eon's reputation is at the very best unproven.
Somebody brought this up on moobunny already, but let's just put it out here - the X1000 is ostensibly "designed for OS4", right? So why pick a bunch of onboard components that you don't already have, or can't easily write, drivers for? Can't blame that on Varisys, and these boards have been around supposedly in the hands of OS4 dev for well over a year.
I'm looking forward to Amiwest this year!
So what you making of Amiwest this year then jorkany?
Did it meet with your expectations?
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@haywirepc
Sounds like you might like the low cost Amiga OS 4.x laptop coming out then.
At $300 you could get 10 (ten!) netbooks for *one* X1000! I think this might be the last nail in the X1000 coffin...
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that netbook sounds like a neat thing. strangely it was announced so close after the dabate on x1k price broke off. remember though this is an announcement made at the same stage as "what is x?". not even teaser pictures are available. i would count at least two years ontop the given release date. mind, x1k isnt even out yet and sam460 isnt fully supported.
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At $300 you could get 10 (ten!) netbooks for *one* X1000! I think this might be the last nail in the X1000 coffin...
I can't really see that any of the potential X1000 buyers would suddenly change their minds and go from "I want the fastest OS4 machine possbile, don't care if it's expensive" to "I think I'll get a netbook".
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So what you making of Amiwest this year then jorkany?
Did it meet with your expectations?
It sure did. No demo of SMP, Xena or Xorro - all of the things that make up "X". Throw in a distraction announcement of a new "mystery device coming soon" to cover for the complete disaster the X1000 has turned out to be. I wonder if Ben mentioned that announcement to Trevor in advance or if he just decided to backstab him with it at the show? Either way it seems to have worked pretty well, nobody gives a crap about the X1000 anymore.
@Bezzen
I can't really see that any of the potential X1000 buyers would suddenly change their minds and go from "I want the fastest OS4 machine possbile, don't care if it's expensive" to "I think I'll get a netbook".
All the X1000 is now is "the fastest OS4 machine possible", there's no "X" which is what a lot of people wanted in addition to the speed. Never mind that the X1000 can't even use most of it's traditional onboard hardware, and it's even being openly touted as just a collector's item by Ben Hermans himself. So much for the "rebirth of the Amiga!"
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@ Jorkany: How many people attended AmiWest?
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@ Jorkany: How many people attended AmiWest?
Beats me, I was busy over the weekend and just got to reading the coverage about two hours ago. The pictures I've seen so far show about five people but even I'm willing to assume there were more than that. Maybe ssolie will be along shortly to tell us that thousands attended, just like last year! lol
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I don't understand the shock and outrage.
Before I begin, I'm a long time MOS user on a Peg 2 and have never used AOS 4.x.
But, Trevor can charge what he wants for it. My gosh, be thankful he even dedicated the time to this project. You have multiple selections of hw to run AOS and the high end offering is priced more than most can spend, then buy a SAM.
I don't know Trevor or the business side of what they do, but I would bet that he would have to sell quite a lot of 1000's until he broke even in this. He can't go mass production, since the community of Amiga is so small and divided.
Again, I will never be a user of AOS 4, but let the man set the price of his stuff and let it be. I hope that he does well and sell lots of them.
Good luck Trevor and crew...
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If I was to make a guess as the 'netbook OEM' Hyperion will be using, I would guess it would be LinkBook. They are the only netbook OEM I know of that use a PowerPC processor as their base.
http://www.linkbook.co.za/
http://liliputing.com/2010/05/linkbook-9-inch-netbook-with-a-powerpc-processor.html
Considering their web site is promoting the fact that their 9" is 'almost sold out', I would not be surprised if a 12" model is waiting in the wings for the 9"s to be sold off.
That coincides nicely with Hyperion's "next few months" release of the netbook, and why they didn't have a demo model at the show.
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I hope that he does well and sell lots of them.
Good luck Trevor and crew...
Why? The whole thing has been a disaster in the making and some of the main people involved are just short of criminal. I hope it reaps the reward it deserves.
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Why? The whole thing has been a disaster in the making and some of the main people involved are just short of criminal. I hope it reaps the reward it deserves.
I haven't followed this much at all and don't know any details of this.
But... If I owned a company and I invested a lot of time and released a product to the market trying to fill a need in a very small market segment, I would need to recoup some of the money invested in the product. The price is the price. If you charge to little for a niche product like this, there can be no support and the company will fold.
Again, I have no stake in the AOS 4 world, and have zero plans to enter it, but from what little I have seen... A man took a risk, invested time, talent, and cash and created something to offer a market. Not an easy thing for any of us to do... So I salute him and wish him well...
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@matt3k
I wish everyone else felt like you. Unfortunately there are people who just want to see AmigaOS 4 fail, for one reason or another.
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@matt3k
I wish everyone else felt like you. Unfortunately there are people who just want to see AmigaOS 4 fail, for one reason or another.
It seems to me that nobody wants to see AOS4 fail more than the people responsible for it.
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It seems to me that nobody wants to see AOS4 fail more than the people responsible for it.
Zing!
I don't want to see OS4 fail (really I'm just indifferent to it,) I just find it hilarious that a company is asking $2700+ for hardware that would underperform a $300-500 used Mac even if all its hardware were supported by the OS it's intended to run.
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The X1000 is a rich man's toy. The main CPU is upgradable though so they can update the design in the future without having to design a complete new PCB. Then again, they did the same thing with the original AmigaOne series and it didn't work out well then either. This one is a "limited edition" model.
I suspect Bill McEwen wants Amiga to fail due to under-the-table payoffs from Microsoft but I think Aeon got caught by the economy as much as anyone else did though and deserves the benefit of the doubt.
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The CPU's upgradable? To what? I thought PA Semi was getting out of the PPC business (and fsck you for that, Apple.) Is anybody still doing development on the desktop/workstation side of the POWER architecture?
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Why? The whole thing has been a disaster in the making and some of the main people involved are just short of criminal.
I think you should explain that remark or retract it. He may have been coy about the expected cost originally but I don't see what Trevor has done that could be construed as "just short of criminal". There was never any suggestion (correct me if I am wrong) that it was going to be cheap.
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I think you should explain that remark or retract it. He may have been coy about the expected cost originally but I don't see what Trevor has done that could be construed as "just short of criminal". There was never any suggestion (correct me if I am wrong) that it was going to be cheap.
I said some of the people, not Trevor specifically, although he should be taken to task for all this Xorro and Xena nonsense. We still see people with stars in their eyes dreaming about using that stupid microcontroller to do all kinds of impossible things like emulate OES, AGA and entire platforms, and Trev has done nothing to give potential customers any kind clue as to what of reasonable things can be done with that xs1l2. Ben Hermans on the other hand, I don't think I need to explain.
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I said some of the people, not Trevor specifically...
Well, Trevor is the person that springs most immediately to mind when you say "main people at A-Eon". Perhaps it's just me that thinks that.
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I don't understand why people here are getting critical of its price. If you don't want to spend that much money on a computer then don't. I'm sure the people who do will thoroughly enjoy their new computer.
Also i don't see how Aeon is being criminal. No one is forcing you to buy one. If you don't want one don't buy one.
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No one is forcing you to buy one. If you don't want one don't buy one.
100% agree... i wish them all the best... at that price ... WHOHAHHHAAA... wot a joke
Tom UK
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100% agree... i wish them all the best... at that price ... WHOHAHHHAAA... wot a joke
Tom UK
oH haha am not laughing thats daft to make that statment sorry
but if people spend 1000.00 on concert tickets hows that price overboard
i think quite reasonable for limited run baord have you any idea the numbers
you need to get costs down seems not go live in dream land dude
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I don't understand why people here are getting critical of its price. If you don't want to spend that much money on a computer then don't. I'm sure the people who do will thoroughly enjoy their new computer.
Also i don't see how Aeon is being criminal. No one is forcing you to buy one. If you don't want one don't buy one.
My comment has nothing to do with the price (who cares?), it's about misrepresentation of the product and the character of some of the people involved in this production.
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It was always represented as an expensive new computer to run
Amiga software, funded by a guy who figured out there ain't no U-Haul
parking spots at the pearly gates. Call the cops if someone committed crime.
Maybe a few banks will get knocked over as customer fund raiser projects, but that's
a road Mac users have worn deep ruts in long ago :lol:
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My comment has nothing to do with the price (who cares?), it's about misrepresentation of the product and the character of some of the people involved in this production.
Do you have any idea how difficult it is to develop a custom piece of hardware like the x1000 and actually succeed? Why don't you start your own company and see if you can do any better.
I don't think for a second Trevor Dick would be dishonest - he seems like a great bloke. Maybe you could be more specific about those misrepresentations and questions about someones character? I'm really interested.
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I'm interested, what kind of language I can use here?
It sounds fun, but I want to do it better, so can I call them wankers? Also one important questin is who or whom I can call crimials and wankers, is it some how limited to OS4 devs and other people involved?
Sorry if I'm asking stupid questions, put I just want to be part of the game.
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I'm interested, what kind of language I can use here?
It sounds fun, but I want to do it better, so can I call them wankers? Also one important questin is who or whom I can call crimials and wankers, is it some how limited to OS4 devs and other people involved?
Sorry if I'm asking stupid questions, put I just want to be part of the game.
You can say what you like here as all the swear words are sensored. For example **** **** karlos
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oh wait karlos isn't sensored so you might want to hold back on that one.
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@matt3k
I wish everyone else felt like you. Unfortunately there are people who just want to see AmigaOS 4 fail, for one reason or another.
Life is far to short to worry and get upset over stuff like this. Enjoy what you have and wish the others well...
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Life is far to short to worry and get upset over stuff like this. Enjoy what you have and wish the others well...
+1
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A company called Dead Bug Computer Tech in my home town has a bunch of G4's and a few G5's for sale.
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If I was to make a guess as the 'netbook OEM' Hyperion will be using, I would guess it would be LinkBook. They are the only netbook OEM I know of that use a PowerPC processor as their base.
http://www.linkbook.co.za/
http://liliputing.com/2010/05/linkbook-9-inch-netbook-with-a-powerpc-processor.html
Considering their web site is promoting the fact that their 9" is 'almost sold out', I would not be surprised if a 12" model is waiting in the wings for the 9"s to be sold off.
That coincides nicely with Hyperion's "next few months" release of the netbook, and why they didn't have a demo model at the show.
I think most other people think that the OS4 Netbook will be a LimeBook, not the LinkBook that you linked to.
Is the LinkBook based on the e300 PPC CPU? I could not find that info in any of the pages on their site. Also, I think the specs of the LimeBook match what was released about the OS4 Netbook closer than the specs of the Linkbook. It was also stated that the OS4 Netbook has already existed for a while, maybe 2 years, and that the delay in releasing it is only to get the OS4 specific drivers for all of it's components written.
I also visited the LimePC site and could not find recent pages about the e300 based LimeBook, so I guess it is a discontinued product, of which I am not sure how many were sold in the past. I am guessing that they may have a large amount of previously manufactured stock on hand that did not sell that they could repackage with AmigaOne stickers on them at a low price. Something that should have been done a couple of years ago, but better late than never.
Back ON TOPIC: I ordered my X1000 yesterday and can't wait for it to be delivered in a few weeks, or months.
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$2682.56
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!
Your argument was so persuasive, they have decided to lower the price by 100%.
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I think most other people think that the OS4 Netbook will be a LimeBook, not the LinkBook that you linked to.
AFAIK it's the same thing...
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Actual price: £1915.01 ($USD 3,012.69) (before shipping or VAT)
So it did indeed break the 3k mark...
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Is the LinkBook based on the e300 PPC CPU? I could not find that info in any of the pages on their site. Also, I think the specs of the LimeBook match what was released about the OS4 Netbook closer than the specs of the Linkbook. It was also stated that the OS4 Netbook has already existed for a while, maybe 2 years, and that the delay in releasing it is only to get the OS4 specific drivers for all of it's components written.
Linkbook is a re-branded Limebook sold by Vodacom for the South African market. You just need to compare the images to see that.
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Actual price: £1915.01 ($USD 3,012.69) (before shipping or VAT)
So it did indeed break the 3k mark...
I don't think that was ever really in any doubt, was it? I can remember seeing an old (well, when it was first demoed) video clip where Trevor, when pressed, said the price would "probably be north of 1700 quid".
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I don't think that was ever really in any doubt, was it? I can remember seeing an old (well, when it was first demoed) video clip where Trevor, when pressed, said the price would "probably be north of 1700 quid".
He said "north of 1500 quid" at The Vintage Computing Festival 2010.
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He said "north of 1500 quid" at The Vintage Computing Festival 2010.
Right, I knew it was something like that. Can't remember where I got 1700 from. Probably one of the many postings about the subject.
He wasn't wrong though, was he? ;)
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Hi,
Wow!!!
What a price, and for old hardware, well every body on Amiga.org should be pretty happy, you all have some more old outdated hardware to buy for your collection of unreal Amiga junk, like the sam440, the morphos junk, notAmi, and AROS. What more can a real Amiga collector want, another piece of crap to buy. I really like the one that uses old MAC Crap (or should it be CRAC).
Lucky thing I went with PC's with Linux for important stuff, and winblows for games. Works pretty well, get all free software for my important stuff, and get to use UAE for the Amiga programs. Have a REAL AMIGA 4000 which still works quite well, but don't like using it, don't want to burn the old girl out don't you know and besides that I think Cloanto's Amiga Forever fits the bill quite nicely and runs about 100 times faster than my old favorite the Amiga 4000. Last week I was thinking of selling the old girl, but I just can't seem to part with her.
Amiga 4000, with 2.2 gig hd, 18 meg of ram, GVP IV 24 card with switch box, Picasso II card, MSI CD rom disk, lyra pc keyboard adapter, pc mouse adapter and 1.76 (1.4) meg floppy disk.
Now how can you part with something like that. You know at times I thought 2.2 gig hd was rather small, but everytime I look at it, it has probably over 300 programs on it and my music and picture files, and it is only half full.
Pretty good for old tech, wouldn't you say.
Have a nice day and keep looking at and wanting that old technology, especially the ones that are just arriving and claiming to be new.
I will just stay with Cloanto's Amiga Forever on my 3.2 gig hertz 6 core PC. Works great and my last until next year when I think I will upgrade to one of the new 8 core machines with a 6870 graphics card (or by then something faster like a nvidia).
smerf
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Somebody post benchmarks, I want to compare it to the 2x1.25GHz Power Mac G4 I got for $10 at the recycle center :D
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Somebody post benchmarks, I want to compare it to the 2x1.25GHz Power Mac G4 I got for $10 at the recycle center :D
That's not very cricket :lol: