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Re: Matzes a1k.org Graphics Adapter...
« Reply #14 on: May 11, 2016, 02:07:19 AM »
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Re: Matzes a1k.org Graphics Adapter...
« Reply #15 on: May 11, 2016, 02:08:47 AM »
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Presumably it would work the same as any other Amiga with an Indi + a graphics card would.  Native screenmodes are doubled by the Indi (prior to the pass-through), P96 modes are handled exclusively by the graphics card.

I like the concept of this, need some time to look into it a bit further.  Currently my Indi output is in one of the slots of my A2000, fed back in through a separate cable into my Spectrum, then back out to my monitor.  If this card makes that connection internally it would be a bit cleaner.  Hooray for fewer wires on my desk, and all that.  ;)

I'll take that beer now!  :pint:

This is exactly what I'm looking for if what you state is true Mike! Plus it's available right now. Waiting around for an RTG card to fall into my lap ain't gonna happen! I'm not getting any younger and neither are Amiga RTG cards!  :lol:

Watch overhead for that beer Mike - I'll send you one via my FPGA drone!!!!!

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Re: Matzes a1k.org Graphics Adapter...
« Reply #16 on: May 11, 2016, 02:11:26 AM »
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Presumably if it physically fits (no reason it shouldn't that I can think of, since it looks like it was designed for A2000) and you can figure out the drivers (comments above should help).  But it's Zorro II, so you won't get the advantages of your faster bus.

Plenty of folks use a PII in A3k and are happy with it.  If it were me, I'd hold out for a Zorro 3 graphics card.  ;)


But, I don't have an Indivision. I use the native VGA port in the A3000; if this is relevant.
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Re: Matzes a1k.org Graphics Adapter...
« Reply #17 on: May 11, 2016, 02:42:37 AM »
Eh, what the He!!.....  Just ordered one! :)
I figure this is the only way I can come close to matching Mikey's A2K Beast! :hammer:

I'll do a write up of the install when I get it..... :rtfm:

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Re: Matzes a1k.org Graphics Adapter...
« Reply #18 on: May 11, 2016, 02:49:28 AM »
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But, I don't have an Indivision. I use the native VGA port in the A3000; if this is relevant.

Good call on the purchase, Giz!  I'm too busy facepalming and making dumb pictures in Photoshop.  OBVIOUSLY I don't own the card.  But looking at the picture for 30 seconds makes it pretty clear how it would be installed, whether you HAVE or DO NOT HAVE an Indivision.

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Re: Matzes a1k.org Graphics Adapter...
« Reply #19 on: May 11, 2016, 02:53:46 AM »
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Stupid question: would this new graphic card work with my A3000 w/A3640?

How does this card compare with the VA2000 Zorro II Video Card (FPGA based gfx card) being developed by Lukas Hartmann. There is a separate thread about this one here http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=69972&highlight=FPGA+graphic+card


I met Lukas Hartmann by chance on irc this past weekend.

He told me he was having troubles with the P96 driver development (crashes when switching to 16 bit modes), and I pointed him to the right people to search for the help he was requiring. So it is yet too early to compare this new device with anything else.

He seems to be a nice and friendly guy.
 

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Re: Matzes a1k.org Graphics Adapter...
« Reply #20 on: May 11, 2016, 02:54:09 AM »
LOL Thanks for the most excellent illustration Mike! :lol:
Enjoy that coooooool one... or 10! :pint:
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Re: Matzes a1k.org Graphics Adapter...
« Reply #21 on: May 11, 2016, 02:58:58 AM »
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I met Lukas Hartmann by chance on irc this past weekend.

He told me he was having troubles with the P96 driver development (crashes when switching to 16 bit modes), and I pointed him to the right people to search for the help he was requiring. So it is yet too early to compare this new device with anything else.

He seems to be a nice and friendly guy.

Well, is this card gonna work when I get it! :confused:
I mean, I just ordered this for kris sakes!

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Re: Matzes a1k.org Graphics Adapter...
« Reply #22 on: May 11, 2016, 03:19:10 AM »
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Well, is this card gonna work when I get it! :confused:
I mean, I just ordered this for kris sakes!

disclaimer: I know you wouldn't know Gulliver.....  :)

Y'all are talking about two different cards. This is the Lukas Hartmann card:  http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=69972&highlight=FPGA+graphic+card

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Re: Matzes a1k.org Graphics Adapter...
« Reply #23 on: May 11, 2016, 03:20:35 AM »
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Y'all are talking about two different cards.  ;)


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Re: Matzes a1k.org Graphics Adapter...
« Reply #24 on: May 11, 2016, 03:26:06 AM »
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Yes, it seems gizmo350 already drank the flying beers ;)

 HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! No, but I'm getting ready to! Whew!
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Re: Matzes a1k.org Graphics Adapter...
« Reply #25 on: May 11, 2016, 07:06:29 AM »
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So, I gotta ask 'cause I just don't know... probably obvious to some...
When using this board with an Indie ECS does it provide a "scan doubled" Cirrus GD5434 video output?
Short and simple: Yes. The Indie does the scan doubling, the card does the video pass-through.
 

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Re: Matzes a1k.org Graphics Adapter...
« Reply #26 on: May 11, 2016, 07:09:53 AM »
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Stupid question: would this new graphic card work with my A3000 w/A3640?
Yes. But note that it is a Zorro-II card, i.e. transfer to the graphics RAM (and back) is slow.

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How does this card compare with the VA2000 Zorro II Video Card (FPGA based gfx card) being developed by Lukas Hartmann. There is a separate thread about this one here http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=69972&highlight=FPGA+graphic+card
A horse of a different color. Matze's card is based on a standard old stock VGA chip that goes up to true-color in 800x600. Lukas card is a design from scratch, work in progress. AFAIK, it currently does hi-collor (16 bit) only and has still a couple of problems with interleaving CPU access with DMA video access.
 

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Re: Matzes a1k.org Graphics Adapter...
« Reply #27 on: May 11, 2016, 07:11:50 AM »
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I like the concept of this, need some time to look into it a bit further.  Currently my Indi output is in one of the slots of my A2000, fed back in through a separate cable into my Spectrum, then back out to my monitor.  If this card makes that connection internally it would be a bit cleaner.
Yes, it does have an internal video-in plug you can connect to the indie.
 

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Re: Matzes a1k.org Graphics Adapter...
« Reply #28 on: May 11, 2016, 12:33:15 PM »
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How hard is it to say "Yes, it works with Picasso96 using the blahblahblah driver.

Probably a case of copyright paranoia. They didn't pay any picasso license, did they? :lol:
 

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Re: Matzes a1k.org Graphics Adapter...
« Reply #29 from previous page: May 11, 2016, 06:02:25 PM »
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Probably a case of copyright paranoia. They didn't pay any picasso license, did they? :lol:

You as "correspondence degree attorney" should probably know that copyright is nothing to laugh about, and that it requires a more careful background check to understand the situation in total.  

It is in this particular case not quite the same as for the Apollo and the rights (or lack thereof) on the driver development package of P96 is derived (or supposed to be derived) from a completely different route - in particular, it is not derived from the UAE driver. In the end, I cannot give a complete legal waterproof argument what is correct and what is not (I do not have any degree in this field, just what I need in my daily work), but at least I talked to many people on this issue (for this card, and for the Apollo) to get a better picture of where we are. It's not really that easy, and the two cases are not identical.