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Operating System Specific Discussions => Other Operating Systems => Topic started by: XDelusion on February 06, 2014, 03:42:18 AM
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I have been pondering the idea of picking up a cheap, tiny laptop strictly for the purpose of backing up the samples I've created on my Korg's. This would take up a lot less space, though I am wondering. How well does one of those Windows 8 tablets work with USB devices that support Windows 8, and how do things control via touch screen? Same as they would with the mouse? Likewise, can I easily name a file I am saving with the virtual keyboard?
Those questions aside, does Windows 8 run crappy ala ME and Vista, or is the interface just sloppy?
Thanks in advance.
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What Korgs have you got? Just curious...
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Kaossilator Pro, KP3, and a Micro Korg. I'd like to add another Kp3 eventually.
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Nifty. The Microkorg is a fun little beast.
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I use a Samsung ATiV 11.6" Tabetbook (detachable keyboard), very similar to the Surface Pro or Surface 2 Pro. It supports multitouch and it also has a digitiser pen.
Touch works just fine, as you'd expect it to. Typing is easy and touch controls also work in desktop Windows 8, though some of the widgets are a tad small as they have not been designed for finger touch but work non the less.
Windows 8 Start (Metro) actually makes sense on these kinds of devices.
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Windows 8 Start (Metro) actually makes sense on these kinds of devices.
Agreed. It's cra* on the desktop, however. :whack:
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Nifty. The Microkorg is a fun little beast.
Mine is currently sitting in pieces, I need to get to the store so I can grab soom wood and vanish to finish off a project like this one:
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_OI6F8eWbwoc/TKinYwcPQZI/AAAAAAAAA48/9249RcSWKh0/s1600/MK-mod1.jpg)
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Sweet :D
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I don't have a Windows 8 tablet but I have a Lenovo S415 IdeaPad. Got it at BestBuy for $379 and for the price its a great Windows 8 laptop and the touchscreen is really good. Just saying that for les than $400 you can get a this and you'll have the touchscreen laptop and USB ports for what you're looking to do (full Windows compatability). I looked at the surface Pros and the price is crazy to me (besides I have a Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 Tablet that is great). Cheers!
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If you can afford it a Surface Pro 2 will do all that you are after. Plus provide a full blown music workstation and DAW. Tee'd up with a wireless mouse for legacy apps and a music controller pad for Surface you can run the runtime apps AKA Modern UI. As well as a full blown DAW at the same time and integrated. USB 3 and touch. But it is clearly expensive to have this capability. I have a Dell XPS 12 and the 10 point touch interface is usable but crap for write to txt in notes. The Surface sh1ts all over it from a usability perspective.
Dont expect to find this sort of information in an in depth tech review from a digital tech rag. They will clearly tell you surface is sh1t and get many thumbs up for doing so. (Cheers all round, here, have some more tofu doood.)
Having tried "Yogi", Dell, and Surface 2 Pro. I can tell you IMEO the Surface is a superior offering and representative of the price you have to pay.
Overkill for your initial thoughts though, for sure.
Or you could just get a $79 android tablet and you would have a cool $79 Android tablet to show your friends. You have to put your music productivity ambitions on ice though.
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i own a surface pro, in fact just posting from it, its semi ergonomic as a tablet and i prefer not to use apps just regular software, though its great as mobile computer so far. where id be cautious is midi usb compatibility with win8 and usb3, i came across devices i couldnt set up properly because of lack of above.
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where id be cautious is midi usb compatibility with win8 and usb3, i came across devices i couldnt set up properly because of lack of above.
There does seem to be an issue with midi with 8.1 on usb3.
MS are aware and trying to get it sorted & there is a workround.
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/usbcoreblog/archive/2014/01/21/windows-8-1-usb-midi-device-works-on-usb-2-0-port-doesn-t-work-on-usb-3-0-port.aspx
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There does seem to be an issue with midi with 8.1 on usb3.
MS are aware and trying to get it sorted & there is a workround.
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/usbcoreblog/archive/2014/01/21/windows-8-1-usb-midi-device-works-on-usb-2-0-port-doesn-t-work-on-usb-3-0-port.aspx
Wow blissfully ignorant of that. I'm using an M-Audio Fast Track Pro at 128ms Latency with no issues.
What kit are you using? I haven't tried my cheapy USB midi cable though.
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If you can afford it a Surface Pro 2 will do all that you are after. Plus provide a full blown music workstation and DAW. Tee'd up with a wireless mouse for legacy apps and a music controller pad for Surface you can run the runtime apps AKA Modern UI. As well as a full blown DAW at the same time and integrated. USB 3 and touch. But it is clearly expensive to have this capability. I have a Dell XPS 12 and the 10 point touch interface is usable but crap for write to txt in notes. The Surface sh1ts all over it from a usability perspective.
Dont expect to find this sort of information in an in depth tech review from a digital tech rag. They will clearly tell you surface is sh1t and get many thumbs up for doing so. (Cheers all round, here, have some more tofu doood.)
Having tried "Yogi", Dell, and Surface 2 Pro. I can tell you IMEO the Surface is a superior offering and representative of the price you have to pay.
Overkill for your initial thoughts though, for sure.
Or you could just get a $79 android tablet and you would have a cool $79 Android tablet to show your friends. You have to put your music productivity ambitions on ice though.
fruity loops mobile is getting better on android though way behind the ipad version. still not full blown daw but great for starting something off then moving to full daw
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A Windows 8, as in full Windows 8, *NOT WINDOWS RT* tablet will support all the USB devices and apps a normal desktop running Win8 would.
Avoid RT devices like the plague. While it might be "Windows", RT is entirely incompatible with real Windows apps.
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I presume all the tablets suggested in this thread are not RT then?
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Surface Pro series are all full Windows 8.
Surface RT (name for the first gen Surface RT tablets) and Surface 2 are both RT powered, ARM based, therefore they run none of the standard desktop Windows apps.
You can literally only load special RT software on them via the Windows Store. They are not worthy of even being paperweights, IMO. They will not run x86 code/programs.
That being said, the RT powered ones do come with Office, lol.
Honestly, the Surface Pro 2 in 64GB form is about $400 more than it should be, starting at $899 and going up to $1799 for the 512 GB SSD one. I'd just buy a decent laptop. Better battery life, better connectivity (like an Ethernet port), most usability.
There are, of course - many other manufacturers making cheaper and more powerful full Windows 8 tablets.
On the 64 GB Pro 2 models, there's only 47 GB free drive space free out of that 64 GB drive.
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Indeed, I just looked at Ebay and the prices make it totally unworth it, so instead I picked up an old laptop for $35 shipped. Not that anything I intend to run Windows on is worth even that, but it will get me by and serve my basic purpose until Windows 8 completely flops and I can get my hands on a tablet for less, much less. :)
Thanks all for the advice and info!
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You can literally only load special RT software on them via the Windows Store. They are not worthy of even being paperweights, IMO. They will not run x86 code/programs.
right.
the only worth anything is the pro. limited size ssd is a major drawback, but so far i manage with an 128gb model. connectivity is not that much of issue thanks wlan, bluetooth and usb hubs, i only been afraid to damage the single usb port at some point. battery time isnt that great but about fine for reasonable usage, and remember this is an i5 mobile. whats great is the pressure sensitive wacom like pen for drawing and the easiness to connect on the fly to an external screen when one needs one. i honestly cant imagine that much an full scale notebook would offer beyond that. but then i bought the device for gfx work underway. and it pays so far.
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Indeed, I just looked at Ebay and the prices make it totally unworth it, so instead I picked up an old laptop for $35 shipped. Not that anything I intend to run Windows on is worth even that, but it will get me by and serve my basic purpose until Windows 8 completely flops and I can get my hands on a tablet for less, much less. :)
Thanks all for the advice and info!
Not sure of the logic there. Wait for a product you really want to fail so you can get it cheap. I suppose it's a realistic proposition if you're not one if those people who then whinges about lack if support.
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Not sure of the logic there. Wait for a product you really want to fail so you can get it cheap. I suppose it's a realistic proposition if you're not one if those people who then whinges about lack if support.
It's Windows we're talking about man. Anyhow, yes I only need this for two or 3 programs. I can not justify spending much on a Win8 tablet no, so yes, I'll wait for it to fail.
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I use a Zoom H4 as an audio device via a USB adaptor (i.e. "The camera connection kit") on my iPad mini. That give me a bunch of audio IO (including two phantom powered XLR connectors), latency isn't brillaint, but the audio recording software is pretty good and allows for building demos with quite a lot of usable preproduction work!
-edit- sorry, just realised that you arena talking about a Win8 tablet. As long as you avoid the WinRT ones, you can use all your Windows software and hardware... Though for the money, a cheap generic laptop might be better :)
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I use a Zoom H4 as an audio device via a USB adaptor (i.e. "The camera connection kit") on my iPad mini. That give me a bunch of audio IO (including two phantom powered XLR connectors), latency isn't brillaint, but the audio recording software is pretty good and allows for building demos with quite a lot of usable preproduction work!
-edit- sorry, just realised that you arena talking about a Win8 tablet. As long as you avoid the WinRT ones, you can use all your Windows software and hardware... Though for the money, a cheap generic laptop might be better :)
I still use my Amiga as the MIDI controller for my gear. I ONLY need Windows to back up the date and to program my KP3 and Korg Kaossilator Pro. That's it, that's all. So having a tiny touch tablet laying amidst my gear would be far better than a Keyboard and Mouse, or a Laptop and Mouse, though for now the $35 laptop I just ordered will have to do. Technically I could get away without using a mouse with it, and besides I can shut it down and put it aside and out of the way when I'm not using it, plus it consumes way less power than the desktop I'm currently keeping around for that purpose.
If only there was software for this on MorphOS. Oh to dream. :)