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Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga News and Community Announcements => Topic started by: amigakit on June 12, 2014, 03:46:47 PM
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A-EON Techology Ltd (http://www.a-eon.com) is pleased to announce that is the new custodian of Amiga.org (http://www.amiga.org), the world's oldest and longest running English language Amiga community web forum.
A-EON acquired from the previous custodian, Bill Panagouleas of DiscreetFX, in an agreement which saw the transfer of the website and contents, the domain name together with all of the brands and rights including the official Facebook and Twitter accounts.
A-EON would like to thank Bill for his stewardship of Amiga.org over the past few years. Matthew Leaman, A-EON Managing Director, said of the purchase, "our acquistion of is part of our long term strategy to help support and expand the Amiga community. We are really excited by this development".
Outgoing custodian Bill Panagouleas added, "I enjoyed my experience and am pleased to place the stewardship in the excellent hands of true Amiga enthusiasts. Amiga.org is safe and secure with A-EON Technology Limited."
Trevor Dickinson, A-EON’s co-founder also commented, "speaking as an Amiga enthusiast, I am extremely proud to be associated with this great piece of Amiga history. Amiga.org is oldest Amiga web portal, serving the Amiga community since 1994. This year marks the 20th anniversary of its founding and with the help of the Amiga community, whether it be Classic, Next-Generation, Emulation or new Retro hardware we hope to make an essential resource for all Amiga related news and information. Here’s to the next 20 years!"
Full Press Release: http://a-eon.biz/PDF/News_Release_Amiga.org.pdf
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I have only one question. For what specific purpose did A-Eon acquire Amiga.org?
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What's this old news doing on the main page :p
on a serious note and as was stated by many on the previous thread, this is great news for all Amiga users (classic, NG, emulation etc.) !
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Congratulations on the acquisition and good luck with the site. :)
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Congratulations, personally I don't own any PPC Amigas but I have no problem sharing the space with PPC guys :)
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Yes! Good move Trevor!
I expect to see some banners of A-Eon products on header, news from all Amiga flavours, and less fight on forum..
Whats next? Amiga Inc? :D
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Yes! Good move Trevor!
I expect to see some banners of A-Eon products on header, news from all Amiga flavours, and less fight on forum..
Whats next? Amiga Inc? :D
Amiga Inc as an aquistion?
Wouldn't it be nice if Bill would go for that?
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I have only one question. For what specific purpose did A-Eon acquire Amiga.org?
Have you received any answer for your question?
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Amiga Inc as an aquistion?
Wouldn't it be nice if Bill would go for that?
Yees!
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congratulation on the takeover ;)
how did the amiga.org look like in 1994, anyone have a picture?
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Have you received any answer for your question?
Not yet.
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congratulation on the takeover ;)
how did the amiga.org look like in 1994, anyone have a picture?
I found the original website... here is what it looked like.
TJ
:roflmao:
(http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/p603/tenkarajunkie/Screenshotfrom2014-06-12112953_zps287e6857.jpg)
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I've had a serious bout of Amiga burnout over the last few years, but I'll be risky and say that I might visit more often now that a Trevor is running things. ;-)
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@Trev
awesome! i'd be great to see some of the members come back.
-- eliyahu
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@Trev
awesome! i'd be great to see some of the members come back.
-- eliyahu
Stability will help, and this buyout hopefully secures a stable future for Amiga.org for many years.
The Google search results redirect-to-ad crap has gone, which makes the site much more accessible again.
Fewer bizarre dramas are likely to occur than over the last few years, which makes your (mods) jobs a lot easier, and makes visiting more worthwhile for everyone.
All good so far from what I can see.
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I have only one question. For what specific purpose did A-Eon acquire Amiga.org?
Yep, I keep repeating the same question myself...
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@nicholas
Please refer to the Press Release:
our acquistion of is part of our long term strategy to help support and expand the Amiga community
Amiga.org is regarded as having the potential to be developed as the premier hub of Amiga support knowledge and community discussion. It could be a wonderful resource to all Amiga users whatever "flavour" they prefer. I have already stated this in the other thread, so I am not sure if you read my comments.
@Trev
Welcome back: its good to see you here.
I hope we can encourage many other members to return to Amiga.org.
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I'm excited that A-Eon and team acquired Amiga.org.
This Amiga space will clean up real nice with a good group directing it.
Less drama.... more meat.
TJ
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Congratulations, nice move and good luck :)
:drink: :drink: :hat:
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@Trevor
Well Done!
p.s. don't forget your blog (great read)
M
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I have only one question. For what specific purpose did A-Eon acquire Amiga.org?
Wasn't there some talk once about this site being devoted to Spanish Lesbians? :)
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Wasn't there some talk once about this site being devoted to Spanish Lesbians? :)
There was. I'm still dissapointed it was just Wayne pulling our legs. :P
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Yes! Good move Trevor!
I expect to see ........... and less fight on forum..:D
Trevor & Matthew cannot control what gets posted to any forum threads by you, the members of Amiga.org, or how much fighting occurs, but they can provide direction for the moderators on how they want members who violate the Terms of Service for posting to these forums handled in the future.
You should look at this as a partnership between management of this site and the members of these forums, as to how productive all of you want these forums to be. Moderators don't want to treat members like children and members don't want to have what they write moderated. If everyone reads and follows the rules set in the Terms of Service, the forums are much more productive and helpful for everyone. The forums are also much more enjoyable to read that way, unless you are a Troll and just like to stir up trouble and watch the mayhem that follows.
Matthew and/or Trevor have stated their intentions for this site, either directly in this thread, or in the announcement. They wish to support and expand the Amiga community. Hopefully, members here will accept that statement and not look for any other dark, or mysterious intention or goals. I have personally met both men and they are great guys and huge fans of all kinds of Amiga experiences. I believe that this change will be a great thing for everyone.
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Excellent :)
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Trevor & Matthew cannot control what gets posted to any forum threads by you, the members of Amiga.org, or how much fighting occurs, but they can provide direction for the moderators on how they want members who violate the Terms of Service for posting to these forums handled in the future.
Surely the owners of the site could even sack the moderators and do whatever they wanted. I'm not saying they would, but you're saying they cannot.
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@nicholas
Please refer to the Press Release:
Amiga.org is regarded as having the potential to be developed as the premier hub of Amiga support knowledge and community discussion. It could be a wonderful resource to all Amiga users whatever "flavour" they prefer. I have already stated this in the other thread, so I am not sure if you read my comments.
I did, but you are running a business not a charity so there must be a commercial purpose. How do you plan to make money from this place? Obviously plastering the place with as many advertising platforms as possible like during the rule of the previous owner is not your style and I thank you for it. :)
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Thanks for all the kind comments.
Matthew answered the question about our intentions in acquiring Amiga.org but to reiterate, Amiga.org is a great peice of Amiga history and has the potential to be a massive resource for all Amigans (whatever flavour). It is the members who are the life and blood of Amiga.org and make it what it is. Without active and engaged members Amiga.org will slowly fade and die.
Personal answer: As an Amigan I'm just stoked* to be associated with Amiga.org :)
TrevorD
*Kiwi expression
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I did, but you are running a business not a charity so there must be a commercial purpose. How do you plan to make money from this place? Obviously plastering the place with as many advertising platforms as possible like during the rule of the previous owner is not your style and I thank you for it. :)
You forget (as pretty much the entire business world seems to have forgotten these days) that there's actual value in having a solid community of customers and advocates and maintaining good relations with them.
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IMHO, I would really like to see a whole new landing page with small sections of cool new products, pics, Trevor's blog sampling, new news blurbs, Amiga peeps in action, that sort of thing! Move the forums off the landing page... just have a link to the forums... Just keep the content on the landing page relevant and current. Make it fun! :) Just a suggestion.
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Can't help, but don't feel too comfortable with this take over. I know (well, guess to be precise) Trevor has good intentions, but there are issues on this board where interests collide. I mean if some guy asks what system to get and I suggest a Mac mini or some other an el cheapo x86 for AROS this is in direct conflict with Trevor's or Amikit's business. And they own the site now.
IMHO a site like A.org shouldn't be backed up by a company that actually _has_ a particular agenda. It loses independence - even if this loss may be unintended, but nevertheless it does.
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"support and expand amiga comunity"
Who is "the amiga comunity"? not aeon, aeon make a "not so amiga" with a poor interest for most amiga users, thats the reality not negativity.
If anyone plan to make money for aeon with this forum just tell it, maybe many users dont like this and want another forums for users.
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I can't help but notice the silence from the previous owner. It says a lot.
I have 3 questions:
Why did he sell it? How much did he sell it for? And why the silence?
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No offense, but what do you care? Does he owe you money or something? :roflmao:
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Soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Can we bring Franko back now? :laugh1:
Please??????
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Congratulations on your purchase!
I hope you can help bring back the friendly aspect of amiga.org.
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I hope you can help bring back the friendly aspect of amiga.org.
What's that supposed to mean? We're always friendly here, everyone! What's with the antagonizing remark insinuating that A.O was anything less before the buyout? :angry:
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Excellent news.. I'm really looking forward to see how this site develops in the coming months and years and hopefully will become a welcome home for every shade of our Amiga community.
Soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Can we bring Franko back now? :laugh1:
Please??????
You really wanna reopen that Pandora's box? :)
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Can we have the option of having the entire website automatically translated with gizoogle?
http://www.gizoogle.net/tranzizzle.php?search=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amiga.org%2Findex.php&se=Go+Git+Dis+Shiznit
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That's freakin hilarious! :rofl:
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"Da U. Right back up in yo mutha%&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!in ass. S. Constipation don't guarantee happiness, only tha pursuit of dat %&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!. Yo ass gotta catch up wit it yo ass. ." - BENJAMIN FRANKLIN
"The U. S. Constitution doesn't guarantee happiness, only the pursuit of it. You have to catch up with it yourself. ." - BENJAMIN FRANKLIN
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Presumably the "amiga community" are users of the classic Amiga systems, plus the next gen Amiga replacements like aOS 4.x, Morphos, AROS, plus the emulators (both soft like UAE and hard like fpga arcade). I don't know about the Anubis/ARIX folks, but they seem to have returned to hiding so it may not be an issue.
"support and expand amiga comunity"
Who is "the amiga comunity"? not aeon, aeon make a "not so amiga" with a poor interest for most amiga users, thats the reality not negativity.
If anyone plan to make money for aeon with this forum just tell it, maybe many users dont like this and want another forums for users.
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Presumably the "amiga community" are users of the classic Amiga systems, plus the next gen Amiga replacements like aOS 4.x, Morphos, AROS, plus the emulators (both soft like UAE and hard like fpga arcade). I don't know about the Anubis/ARIX folks, but they seem to have returned to hiding so it may not be an issue.
Hiding? Nah just busy :)
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Rudei reporting in :-)
Great news!
Rude!
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I don't know about the Anubis/ARIX folks, but they seem to have returned to hiding so it may not be an issue.
Anubis and Arix are two separate projects and Anubis was still borne.
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Well, things were getting a little too quite around here.
@Kesa
Thanks for the laugh.
Plaz
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You really wanna reopen that Pandora's box? :)
Actually, yes.
Frank is a friend and he is always good for a laugh.
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Trevor and Matt, congrats on the purchase, good times ahead :)
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x1000 is a big huge monstrous dud. 3k? Ppc is dead. os4 is a bad joke by now.
os4, hyperion, sam boards and x1000?
Worst option forward. Just one guys opinions.
If this site becomes a cheerleader camp for os4/sam/x1000 I'm out.
Everyday use amiga systems now forming... but its aeros and aros and Morphos leading that charge now...
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You say you don't want a cheerleader site, then perhaps you should start by not acting like a cheerleader yourself.
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@Rudei
Welcome back :) Good to see people returning again to Amiga.org!
@Persia
Presumably the "amiga community" are users of the classic Amiga systems, plus the next gen Amiga replacements like aOS 4.x, Morphos, AROS, plus the emulators (both soft like UAE and hard like fpga arcade)
Yes that is how I view it too. However you enjoy "Amiga", its your choice and your hobby. Personally speaking, I have fun using my Amiga A1200T and also AmigaOS 4.1 machines.
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@Persia
You took the words right out of my mouth. :-)
TrevorD
(http://www.amiga.org/forums/member.php?u=6859)
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Congratulations!
Perhaps there will be a few more threads that I want to get involved in.
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Can't help, but don't feel too comfortable with this take over. I know (well, guess to be precise) Trevor has good intentions, but there are issues on this board where interests collide. I mean if some guy asks what system to get and I suggest a Mac mini or some other an el cheapo x86 for AROS this is in direct conflict with Trevor's or Amikit's business. And they own the site now.
IMHO a site like A.org shouldn't be backed up by a company that actually _has_ a particular agenda. It loses independence - even if this loss may be unintended, but nevertheless it does.
Let's wait and see if any "censorship" of discussion occurs based on corporate interests before we worry too much about it. I for one think that the new owners fully understand that in order to have a vibrant Amiga Community they need to allow open discussion of people's opinions of what works best for their classic and modern Amiga experience.
I for one would still love to see some magic happen with new products that continue to make the platform more viable in the modern marketplace but I also love and follow the nostalgia retro computing part of the Amiga market.
I think our new owners are in a position to understand this and not take a heavy hand with moderation when people might say something like you describe. Let's give them a chance.
By their actions shall you know them.
Onward,
-Nyle
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Wait and see? Go look at the major editing of my post just now?
Apparently, you can no longer have any opinion that is not shared by the people selling os4 or the x1000.
Why was my post even edited? This is ridiculous. Can't say you don't like os4 or ppc now already? Now this site just took a major turn for the worse...
The censorship begins already?
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Wait and see? Go look at the major editing of my post just now?
Apparently, you can no longer have any opinion that is not shared by the people selling os4 or the x1000.
Why was my post even edited? This is ridiculous. Can't say you don't like os4 or ppc now already? Now this site just took a major turn for the worse...
The censorship begins already?
Who in God's name is mikeymike? I've been here since the beginning and not seen him before.
Is he a new moderator?
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Who in God's name is mikeymike? I've been here since the beginning and not seen him before.
Is he a new moderator?
Why are not ALL these new mods being introduced formally? :(
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@Trev
Welcome back: its good to see you here.
I hope we can encourage many other members to return to Amiga.org.
Thanks, Matthew. Bill did a fine job keeping Amiga.org humming; I just haven't turned on an Amiga in years. As a Trevor myself, I get to live vicariously through that other Trevor's community involvement. ;-) And as a Californian, I can get behind his use of "stoked."
Now who's going to bring back utilitybase.com?
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Who in God's name is mikeymike? I've been here since the beginning and not seen him before.
Is he a new moderator?
3k posts and this is the first time you've seen me? New moderator, no. I just haven't been around for a while and responded to a reported post.
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Who in God's name is mikeymike? I've been here since the beginning and not seen him before.
Is he a new moderator?
He's been here forever. :P
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@haywirepc
We want a great forum where you can tell everyone how much you enjoy using your AROS / MorphOS / AmigaOS / Classic system.
However, we do not want a forum where you make comments off-topic designed to simply insight a reaction from other users who have made different choices to you. Your comments in post # 47 were not constructive and off-topic. The moderators have a job to do here to raise the standards of this forum, lets make their task easier and have quality discussions regarding all "Amiga" flavours and not firing off comments simply to denigrate other user's choices of OS or hardware.
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@thread
i'd just like to gently remind members of our 'cardinal rules (http://www.amiga.org/index.php?pageid=posting_guidelines)' around here, one of which being:
Members will not publicly question a moderator's decision.
All moderation concerns should be addressed in a private manner, either by private messaging or emailing the moderator in question.
when in doubt it's always best to take it to PM. folks are always welcome to contact me or any of the other moderators if you're concerned about a moderation action (or lack of one). please don't discuss it in open threads. thanks!
-- eliyahu
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Man, I would never want to be a moderator on this site. It's like being a ref in roller derby. One of the hardest, most unrewarding jobs, everybody hates you, everybody's always yelling at you, and you're lucky if someone even buys you a beer at the after-party to say 'thanks'! ;)
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It looks like Mr. Goodyear was right.
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@Gizmo350
IMHO, I would really like to see a whole new landing page with small sections of cool new products, pics, Trevor's blog sampling, new news blurbs, Amiga peeps in action, that sort of thing!
Yes this maybe a good idea, something definately to consider. We would have to ask the Amiga.org regulars what they would prefer in terms of layout.
I myself would prefer tutorials contributed on how to install Classic hardware or software, reviews and support pages. We need to open a thread to canvas ideas.
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Its a valid concern when one camp buys amiga.org that the site will be censored heavily because they have a vested financial interest in doing so. Already shown now that posts counter to their agenda will be edited, deleted or heavily censored.
I would have the same concern if MorphOS developers or AROS developers bought amiga.org. Hope this forum stays worth visiting, but it looks bad already...
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Its a valid concern when one camp buys amiga.org that the site will be censored heavily because they have a vested financial interest in doing so. Already shown now that posts counter to their agenda will be edited, deleted or heavily censored.
I would have the same concern if MorphOS developers or AROS developers bought amiga.org. Hope this forum stays worth visiting, but it looks bad already...
Uhm, when has Trevor ever been in any way hostile to MOS, AROS, Pegasos, Minimig, FPGA Arcade, or anything else out there? Doesn't he have one of everything, and enjoy them all?
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Considering the relativly large Classic Hardware inventory Amigakit got in their shop I would find it very unlikely that that aspect of the community will be "disciminated".
Considering the content of Trevors blog and Amigakits wide array of goods Id say they are quite balanced in their intrest of Classic+NG.
Im puzzled by these imaginary "lines in the sand" between the "camps" that the community insist are drawn up.
Or maybe Im more like Epsilon; glass half full kinda type.
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What are we school yard kids? Blue, Red, NG, Classic... should all be "Amiga". The Amiga community is a small place, let's all just get along :-)
As a side note can we get back the last 50 posts/latest posts links on the main page??
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Uhm, when has Trevor ever been in any way hostile to MOS, AROS, Pegasos, Minimig, FPGA Arcade, or anything else out there? Doesn't he have one of everything, and enjoy them all?
Certain moderators are hostile. Luckily some of them are not moderators here anymore but with moderators this site rises or keeps going on its death spiral.
For now it is not looking good.
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3k posts and this is the first time you've seen me? New moderator, no. I just haven't been around for a while and responded to a reported post.
MIKEY!!!!! Welcome back, Mate! Where have *YOU* been hiding? :)
Whoa. Trev's back too? What's going on here? :lol:
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Glad to see the usual suspects are living up to their normal levels of optimism and inclusivity... :)
(http://mrsec.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/repent-the-end-is-nigh-ye-must-be-cleansed.png?c65816)
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A post edited misteriusly, moderators away just with "easy-speak" threads about something closer to non sense and hundreds of fans of a "company" selling overpriced things using the amiga name...
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A post edited misteriusly, moderators away just with "easy-speak" threads about something closer to non sense and hundreds of fans of a "company" selling overpriced things using the amiga name...
Maybe it is time to abandon this site for good.
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Maybe yes.
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Surely the owners of the site could even sack the moderators and do whatever they wanted. I'm not saying they would, but you're saying they cannot.
That is not what I wrote at all. Members will post what ever they decide to send to the forums when they click the "Submit Reply" button, or when they create a new thread in any forum. A-Eon, through the use of their moderators, will choose to permit any particular post to remain un-moderated, or to moderate by editing, or deleting any post, that they decide is in violation of the Terms of Service for posting on this forum site.
How do you interpret what I wrote as saying that the new owners or management can't sack the moderators? Of course they can.:)
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Maybe it is time to abandon this site for good.
morphzone looks like a good place to stay and if in concern of amiga there is still lots cool stuff going on on eab, in fact currently much more than here or on aw.net. its another safe place amongst others. so i dont think that it would hurt anyone even if amiga.org went down.
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"NutsAboutAmiga" raises a very good and valid point in the "Change in Amiga.org ownership" (http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=39110&forum=16&start=40&viewmode=flat&order=0#735405) thread over at AW.net (a thread that was completely *massacred* by moderator "Amigadave", who is also a moderator here, BTW).
He simply ask the question: WHY?
I think more people should do the same and ask themselves this question, and then try to answer it. I mean, it wasn't like Amiga.org was in need of "saving", there was no need for pity or charity, it wasn't like the site would have closed down without their intervention or anything like that. So why?
Not everyone agrees in that "NG" is real Amiga, not everyone agrees in that OS4 is the best "NG" solution (or that it's even a good, usable, stable, feature complete enough option at all), not everyone agrees in that PPC is a viable HW platform for "NG", not everyone agrees in that $3,000+ "NG" machines that builds on everything just mentioned is the way forward for Amiga (or a way at all). Some would even say that some or all of those thing just mentioned are actually *bad*!
But then there are stake holders in all those things, that has a *financial interest* in the success of them.
Matthew Leaman is a self-proclamed OS4 development sponsor, post Hyperion (and their unpaid developers who simply left). While not a stake holder in the OS4 IP (Right? Or is that the next "big announcement"? Are *you* the owner of the "X-kernel"?), he is playing it by the ringside, by investing in core driver and SW development for OS4, like modern GFX drivers, etc (http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=36053&forum=14&start=100&viewmode=flat&order=0#731017), etc (http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=761961&postcount=109). Given the current poor state of the OS4 project, he "is" OS4 today, his investments clearly makes him a stake holder, official or not.
Matthew Leaman is today also A-Eon, who owns the X1000/"Nemo" motherboard that is used as a core component in a certain computer system. His investments (and official role and position in the company), clearly makes him a stake holder in the particular HW offering (as well as future offerings) provided by this company.
Matthew Leaman is of course also "AmigaKit", who is putting together those $3,000+ "X1000" systems based on the "Nemo" motherboard. This (AmigaKit) was his first and probably the dearest ("Amiga" related at least) business of his. He is *the* stake holder in the system building and retailing business of the X1000/Nemo/OS4.
(Of course, in many of the above mentioning's of "Matthew Leaman", you could also blend in "Trevor Dickinson" to various degrees (degrees that may still be changing, not that it matters for the point of this post))
To summon it up, there is a lot of *financial interest* from some stake holding parties in the success of some very particular and rather narrow options in the "Amiga World" today!
The last piece of the jigsaw, the missing piece of the puzzle, is how the market *perceives* what's being offered! Where are purchase decisions being made? Where are consumer's information being gathered before a major investment?
--> ONLINE DISCUSSIONS <--
The by far biggest, oldest, and most "reliable" source of information and online Amiga discussions is probably: Amiga.org!
The takeover of Amiga.org is simply a move from strong stake holders of *one particular "amiga offering"* to gain control of the online perception of their product! It couldn't be anything else!
Some people ask: So you are going to place banners and advertising all over the place now? A rather naive question IMHO. Of course not. The point is gaining control over the database, over everything that has been said - and is being said - about what the stake holders are interested in (read above!). Moderation! Editing! Banning!
The last time we saw this kind of "involvement" from a strong financial stake holder, was when Eyetech/Hyperion wanted to promote their (original) "AmigaOne" system. They were strong financial stake holders in that particular HW/SW/OS solution. The only problem was that a competitor was way ahead, and had a far better product. They were many years behind the competition, so they played out the FUD card, and didn't like the response (here on Amiga.org). This caused the "exodus" to AmigaWorld.net, causing lots of Amigans to simply leave Amiga.org for this "greener pastures" that was "telling the truth", and where insane moderation policies was enforced.
This corporate "community takeover" was the explanation to how the "Articia S" became "*flawless*", how MorphOS became evil and had AmigaOS copyrighted material inside it (OK, I know that those claims were earlier than this, but they were certainly being repeated (under the moderators guardian)), how the Pegasos didn't have the MAI approved fixes (though bPlan were the ones providing the fixes to MAI in the first place), etc.
Posts disappeared, threads disappeared, user accounts disappeared. Everything in an ambition to *control* the community's perceived version of "truth"!
And they didn't even *own* the site, they didn't *own* the database! They simply had a force of very loyal moderators at hand!
This site is now owned and controlled by financial stake holders of an OS, Motherboard, and System provider, that that was first announced in 2009 (where "OS4 developments for it begun"), and as of present date they haven't been able to fully deliver according to the original promised specs!
Now they are setting the stage for the "NG of the NG" of OS4 thingies... The "Cyrus" (which isn't even using the controllers they have been developing drivers for, which means the driver situation resets to zero). Hence the Amiga.org purchase.
Since this "takeover" happened, we have seen what could only be described like an "Orchestrated Reverse Exodus" to Amiga.org. Which is kind of funny in its sadness. In my view, history is repeating itself, just in a different way, in a different direction.
Amiga.org has been here (there was another version previous this one) pretty much since the Internet became mainstream. It has always been *inclusive*, *tolerant*, and *open*. I have been a proud member since 2002, two years before OS4 was released in its first, *sad* state (I know, because I was a paying customer). I have always expressed a "different kind of view" here (in terms of OS4), sometimes very unpopular in some peoples eyes, and I have taken beatings for it. But now, I expect to be kicked out and banned. Maybe because of this post?
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And so it begins?
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@usual suspects
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some of these posts are absolutely hilarious. i would just suggest that, before we start running from imaginary black helicopters, maybe we just enjoy the forum as we always have? you know, wait for for all of this evil to actually occur before complaining about it? :roflmao:
-- eliyahu
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morphzone looks like a good place to stay and if in concern of amiga there is still lots cool stuff going on on eab, in fact currently much more than here or on aw.net. its another safe place amongst others. so i dont think that it would hurt anyone even if amiga.org went down.
Something is missing. A site for Amiga users who favor AmigaOS 3 with RTG. EAB is very Kickstart 1.3 oriented although there are topics for power users.
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@usual suspects
(http://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/original/2/24814/2501240-4874366061-13325.jpg)
some of these posts are absolutely hilarious. i would just suggest that, before we start running from imaginary black helicopters, maybe we just enjoy the forum as we always have? you know, wait for for all of this evil to actually occur before complaining about it? :roflmao:
-- eliyahu
I think this post "@usual suspects" of yours is offensive! It also tries to neglect and *belittle* the questions that has been raised previously in this thread. Is this really the way things are going to be played from here on? By posting a funny "tin foil hat" picture as soon as serious questions about the site and its moderation are being raised?
And a note to you for the future: The "tin foil hat" picture is usually reserved for the Amigans.net people! ;) :p :) <- All kinds of *friendly* smiley's!
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@TMHG
no offense meant. i was trying to handle this with a little humor. i'm just suggesting that instead of blasting people for things you think they might do, maybe wait until they actually do something that bothers you? you know, give people the benefit of the doubt.
-- eliyahu
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@usual suspects
(http://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/original/2/24814/2501240-4874366061-13325.jpg)
some of these posts are absolutely hilarious. i would just suggest that, before we start running from imaginary black helicopters, maybe we just enjoy the forum as we always have? you know, wait for for all of this evil to actually occur before complaining about it? :roflmao:
-- eliyahu
could you at least choose a more stylish one?
(http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/c31014ba533b.gif)
(http://thoughtcafe.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/custom-tin-foil-hat-300x248.jpg)
:P
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@terminills
:laughing:
those are much better. :roflmao:
-- eliyahu
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And speaking of "tin foil hats"; How on earth do I log out from this site? I have pressed the Logout button, and received the "All cookies have been cleared" message, which is *a blatant lie*, and then I have tried to *manually* cleared the cookies, but somehow it doesn't work, somehow something always survives! I am always logged in, unless I'm doing some postings, then I'm suddenly *very* logged out, and have to log in again!
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@TMHG
i have the same problem. i don't know why this happens, though. need a vbulletin expert around here. ;)
-- eliyahu
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could you at least choose a more stylish one?
Historically, One of the most popular ways to get threads *quickly removed out of people's sight*, was to have a few controlled people posting several Off Topic posts in a thread. This rendered a "valid" reason for a moderator to remove the thread altogether as "off topic".
"could you at least choose a more stylish one?" *IS* off topic. And this could render moderators as "Amigadave" to delete..., well, whatever in the thread, according to his perceived view of... well, maybe "decency"? Fairness?
Maybe this was your intention?
/me putting on a *thicker* tin foil hat, the last one obviously didn't work!
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Something is missing. A site for Amiga users who favor AmigaOS 3 with RTG. EAB is very Kickstart 1.3 oriented although there are topics for power users.
no.. eab is amiga oriented, hardware projects, fpga, asm, system libs replacement and optimization, okay c programming is lacking, none seems to be interested to help out with aros68k, so called power user are in minority, but here was no better. im fine to leave aorg to the so called "usual suspects" for whom amiga is actually called "classics".
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@TMHG
no offense meant. i was trying to handle this with a little humor.
Careful now! :)
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Historically, One of the most popular ways to get threads *quickly removed out of people's sight*, was to have a few controlled people posting several Off Topic posts in a thread. This rendered a "valid" reason for a moderator to remove the thread altogether as "off topic".
"could you at least choose a more stylish one?" *IS* off topic. And this could render moderators as "Amigadave" to delete..., well, whatever in the thread, according to his perceived view of... well, maybe "decency"? Fairness?
Maybe this was your intention?
/me putting on a *thicker* tin foil hat, the last one obviously didn't work!
It is totally on topic ... We're talking about the future of a.org. That discussion itself is a conspiracy theory. That led to the tin foil hat which is people claim is worn by conspiracy theorists. And then came my post which was merely about the fact that maybe some of those conspiracy theorists prefer to be stylish.
Maybe it's you who is trying to derail the thread so it goes into the sock drawer?
/me puts on tin foil 10 gallon hat.
Anyway I figure I'll give them the benefit of the doubt for a little while. Even if they have a certain person with a mod badge who I wouldn't mind if he rage quit and never showed up again.
On that note maybe that's why he's banning people over on awn to force them to post over here?
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3k posts and this is the first time you've seen me? New moderator, no. I just haven't been around for a while and responded to a reported post.
Sorry, age is obviously degenerating my grey matter! :/
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@ Everybody who's concerned
Just relax, and maybe have some pancakes (or the breakfast treat of your choice). The Amiga.org sky isn't falling.
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I don't see any change in the moderation here so far. Based on the bits remaining in haywirepc's moderated post, it sounds like he was blatantly trolling. There are plenty of other posts with content that's critical/negative of the new ownership that remain unchanged, which contradicts the claims that "the censorship has begun."
In the meantime, the ads have been removed. That's very welcome because, before the ownership change I started getting the occasional virus/malware warning when visiting this site. I have no doubt that this malware was being injected via the ads. Had that continued then I would probably have stopped visiting this site.
Hans
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As far as I'm concerned, until the Purge starts, not having the endless irrelevant threadspamming alone represents a huge improvement.
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The Ads ARE gone! No more gaping white space at the top and I haven't got the redirect in a couple days! I LOATHED that gaping white space! YEA! :laugh1:
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Careful now! :)
Down with that sorta ting!
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In the meantime, the ads have been removed. That's very welcome because, before the ownership change I started getting the occasional virus/malware warning when visiting this site. I have no doubt that this malware was being injected via the ads.
Thanks for pointing that out. Btw google search results work again. :)
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This thread is hilarious! All these conspiracy theories! :laughing:
I'm curious. Do you guys think we landed on the moon or do you think it was faked?
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This thread is hilarious! All these conspiracy theories! :laughing:
I'm curious. Do you guys think we landed on the moon or do you think it was faked?
Not sure maybe? I still want to know if it's made of cheese though.
Btw maybe your cat doesn't like you because it's not really a cat but a guinea pig? Just saying it's possible. :P
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I'm curious. Do you guys think we landed on the moon or do you think it was faked?
It's widely known that the U.S. government hired Stanley Kubrick to fake the moon landing. It was just that Kubrick was such an infamous perfectionist that he did it on the Moon.
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Not sure maybe? I still want to know if it's made of cheese though.
Btw maybe your cat doesn't like you because it's not really a cat but a guinea pig? Just saying it's possible. :P
To be honest I'm starting to think that C A T really spells dog - that fur-ball never really did like that scratching post i bought it.
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It's widely known that the U.S. government hired Stanley Kubrick to fake the moon landing. It was just that Kubrick was such an infamous perfectionist that he did it on the Moon.
That's funny!
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It's widely known that the U.S. government hired Stanley Kubrick to fake the moon landing. It was just that Kubrick was such an infamous perfectionist that he did it on the Moon.
Yes, he even bought the silence of all the Soviet Space Program employees who were watching the American moon landing.
I believe he paid them with potatos and Jack Daniels.
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To be honest I'm starting to think that C A T really spells dog - that fur-ball never really did like that scratching post i bought it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JT0zjorR68A
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It's widely known that the U.S. government hired Stanley Kubrick to fake the moon landing. It was just that Kubrick was such an infamous perfectionist that he did it on the Moon.
Kubrick! I thought is was Warhol!..... thanks for reporting the facts and setting the record straight!
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I have been following this thread with some interest. We are reviewing the TOS moderation policy, that is currently in place, with the Moderator team. Expect some announcements in the not too distant future.
In the meantime as a small piece of humour and light relief here are some "moderation rules" that is guaranteed to earn your a ban on any community forum:
Rule 1: Argue! This is absolutely the most important rule of posting in any online forum and many of the other rules are based upon it. Be sure to start an argument whenever the opportunity presents itself. In fact, even if the pportunity doesn't present itself, argue anyway. After all, people don't come to message boards to share ideas, have polite discussions, or learn new things; they're there strictly for the non-stop arguments so be sure not to disappoint. Also, be sure not to back up your arguments with any facts.
Rule 2: Flame other posters. This rule goes hand in hand with rule 1. You're already starting an argument, so why not insult someone while you're at it? Don't just disagree with the previous poster's post; make it personal! If member John293 creates a topic about why he feels the war in Iraq was unnecessary, you should respond with "No John, the war was right and you're stupid for thinking otherwise." Better yet, throw in an insult that has nothing to do with the topic of discussion and make sure it's an insult about their appearance or something in their personal life you couldn't possibly know anything about. Take the previous example about user John293's anti-war post. An even better response would be "No john, the war was right and you're ugly."
Rule 3: Never, under any circumstances,use proper spelling and grammar. Doing so will only confirm that you are a nerd. Instead you should shorten three letter words such as you and are and express them as single letters like U and R. Be sure to substitute as many letters in a word as you can with numbers. Spell these words wrong as well. For example, instead of typing "I Like to eat," you should type "i L31k 2 34t." Also remember to never ever begin a sentence with a capital letter. This will only make your sentences easier to understand and in turn easier for whomever you're currently arguing with to pick apart and respond to your posts.
Rule 4: Lie. Fabricate stories about girlfriends or boyfriends (or Amiga hardware) you don't have, experiences you've never had, and sports you don't play. After all, who's going to check? This can be especially useful in arguments. Should someone attempt to call you on an argument which has no factual basis (none of your arguments should anyway), simply lie and tell them you graduated from an Ivy League college at the top of your class which landed you a 6-figure job and are therefore not only much smarter but also a more successful person in general than whoever it is you're currently locked in battle with.
Rule 5: When arguing, be sure to point out every minor spelling and/or grammatical mistake in your opponent's previous post. This will distract the other users reading your argumentative and insulting posts (yes, you have an audience and everyone is interested in your petty fight) from the fact that your posts have no actual substance or point to them. Should your opponent's post contain no errors, call him or her a nerd for taking the time to write out such a perfect posts. If your opponent points out the errors in your own post (and there should be plenty of them), tell him or her that you weren't really paying attention when you wrote it and imply that he or she has no life for scrutinizing over it.
Rule 6: On most forums there is a search feature. This feature is just there for show; make sure never to use it. Instead, what you should do is make a new thread about your topic. If it's already been posted numerous times before, great! Now there's one more and every good poster knows you can never have enough duplicate threads. If for some reason no one responds to your thread, don't search for answers or information elsewhere. Simply make another thread containing the exact same post you posted in your first thread. This time around you're sure to get a response from someone and as an added bonus they may complain about the duplicate threads...another chance to argue!Rule
7: Never back down or give up on an argument. No matter how clear it is that you're in the wrong and have lost, keep arguing and flaming. When everyone realizes your argument has nothing to support it, simply tell them that they just don't get it. If the other members politely ask that you remain on topic and cease the arguing, insult them and drag them into your argument. Don't ever stop until the board's administrator closes the thread and issues you a warning and/or ban.
Rule 8: When your username is banned from the forum (and if you've followed the previous rules correctly it will be) register under an alternate username and continue to troll about the forums. Mock the admin who banned your other username while you're at it. When you're banned again, simply repeat the process all over again.
One final rule, always disagree and argue with the Moderation policy and Moderators.
Footnote: If you follow this guide correctly you should earn yourself the coveted "IP ban," the ultimate goal of all good members of a message board, in no time!
TrevorD
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I mean, it wasn't like Amiga.org was in need of "saving", there was no need for pity or charity, it wasn't like the site would have closed down without their intervention or anything like that. So why?
Who says it was pity or charity? Maybe DiscreetFX was happy to sell to fund some other project, or re-start an old one like Oil Change the movie. ;)
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Its a valid concern when one camp buys amiga.org that the site will be censored heavily because they have a vested financial interest in doing so. Already shown now that posts counter to their agenda will be edited, deleted or heavily censored.
I would have the same concern if MorphOS developers or AROS developers bought amiga.org. Hope this forum stays worth visiting, but it looks bad already...
Seriously there's no 'vested financial interest' in supporting all Amiga flavours is there? The vested interest is in providing a community portal for all Amiga users without prejudice and without someone blatantly repeating over and over again why their chosen flavour is better than another users.
Enjoy what you like and respect that others do the same. Sounds simple right.
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Who says it was pity or charity? Maybe DiscreetFX was happy to sell to fund some other project, or re-start an old one like Oil Change the movie. ;)
the question was not why sell it but why to buy it.
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Who says it was pity or charity? Maybe DiscreetFX was happy to sell to fund some other project, or re-start an old one like Oil Change the movie. ;)
I really wanted to see that movie with my girlfriend!
Good thing "Blinker Fluid 2" came out! She's normal now!
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Who says it was pity or charity? Maybe DiscreetFX was happy to sell to fund some other project, or re-start an old one like Oil Change the movie. ;)
Why did we acquire Amiga.org? Was it pity or charity?
No to both questions. Bill was a willing seller and we were a willing buyer. We acquired all the Amiga.org brand and trademarks which were originally approved by Commodore in 1994 and pre-dates everything which came after Commodore's demise. That in itself was well worth the purchase price. However, speaking personally as an Amiga enthusiast, I just happy to help keep Amiga.org afloat together with the generous donations gratefully received to help with the running costs. Don't forget to keep feeding the kitty! ;-)
TrevorD
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I have been following this thread with some interest. We are reviewing the TOS moderation policy, that is currently in place, with the Moderator team. Expect some announcements in the not too distant future.
In the meantime as a small piece of humour and light relief here are some "moderation rules" that is guaranteed to earn your a ban on any community forum:
Rule 1: Argue! This is absolutely the most important rule of posting in any online forum and many of the other rules are based upon it. Be sure to start an argument whenever the opportunity presents itself. In fact, even if the pportunity doesn't present itself, argue anyway. After all, people don't come to message boards to share ideas, have polite discussions, or learn new things; they're there strictly for the non-stop arguments so be sure not to disappoint. Also, be sure not to back up your arguments with any facts.
Rule 2: Flame other posters. This rule goes hand in hand with rule 1. You're already starting an argument, so why not insult someone while you're at it? Don't just disagree with the previous poster's post; make it personal! If member John293 creates a topic about why he feels the war in Iraq was unnecessary, you should respond with "No John, the war was right and you're stupid for thinking otherwise." Better yet, throw in an insult that has nothing to do with the topic of discussion and make sure it's an insult about their appearance or something in their personal life you couldn't possibly know anything about. Take the previous example about user John293's anti-war post. An even better response would be "No john, the war was right and you're ugly."
Rule 3: Never, under any circumstances,use proper spelling and grammar. Doing so will only confirm that you are a nerd. Instead you should shorten three letter words such as you and are and express them as single letters like U and R. Be sure to substitute as many letters in a word as you can with numbers. Spell these words wrong as well. For example, instead of typing "I Like to eat," you should type "i L31k 2 34t." Also remember to never ever begin a sentence with a capital letter. This will only make your sentences easier to understand and in turn easier for whomever you're currently arguing with to pick apart and respond to your posts.
Rule 4: Lie. Fabricate stories about girlfriends or boyfriends (or Amiga hardware) you don't have, experiences you've never had, and sports you don't play. After all, who's going to check? This can be especially useful in arguments. Should someone attempt to call you on an argument which has no factual basis (none of your arguments should anyway), simply lie and tell them you graduated from an Ivy League college at the top of your class which landed you a 6-figure job and are therefore not only much smarter but also a more successful person in general than whoever it is you're currently locked in battle with.
Rule 5: When arguing, be sure to point out every minor spelling and/or grammatical mistake in your opponent's previous post. This will distract the other users reading your argumentative and insulting posts (yes, you have an audience and everyone is interested in your petty fight) from the fact that your posts have no actual substance or point to them. Should your opponent's post contain no errors, call him or her a nerd for taking the time to write out such a perfect posts. If your opponent points out the errors in your own post (and there should be plenty of them), tell him or her that you weren't really paying attention when you wrote it and imply that he or she has no life for scrutinizing over it.
Rule 6: On most forums there is a search feature. This feature is just there for show; make sure never to use it. Instead, what you should do is make a new thread about your topic. If it's already been posted numerous times before, great! Now there's one more and every good poster knows you can never have enough duplicate threads. If for some reason no one responds to your thread, don't search for answers or information elsewhere. Simply make another thread containing the exact same post you posted in your first thread. This time around you're sure to get a response from someone and as an added bonus they may complain about the duplicate threads...another chance to argue!Rule
7: Never back down or give up on an argument. No matter how clear it is that you're in the wrong and have lost, keep arguing and flaming. When everyone realizes your argument has nothing to support it, simply tell them that they just don't get it. If the other members politely ask that you remain on topic and cease the arguing, insult them and drag them into your argument. Don't ever stop until the board's administrator closes the thread and issues you a warning and/or ban.
Rule 8: When your username is banned from the forum (and if you've followed the previous rules correctly it will be) register under an alternate username and continue to troll about the forums. Mock the admin who banned your other username while you're at it. When you're banned again, simply repeat the process all over again.
One final rule, always disagree and argue with the Moderation policy and Moderators.
Footnote: If you follow this guide correctly you should earn yourself the coveted "IP ban," the ultimate goal of all good members of a message board, in no time!
TrevorD
may i guess that the opposite to the humorous rules is the correct and expected behavior?
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Why did we acquire Amiga.org? Was it pity or charity?
No to both questions. Bill was a willing seller and we were a willing buyer. We acquired all the Amiga.org brand and trademarks which were originally approved by Commodore in 1994 and pre-dates everything which came after Commodore's demise. That in itself was well worth the purchase price. However, speaking personally as an Amiga enthusiast, I just happy to help keep Amiga.org afloat together with the generous donations gratefully received to help with the running costs. Don't forget to keep feeding the kitty! ;-)
TrevorD
Well Said! What took you so long? Us old Miggy Enthusiasts aren't getting any younger! :)
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Why did we acquire Amiga.org? Was it pity or charity?
No to both questions. Bill was a willing seller and we were a willing buyer. We acquired all the Amiga.org brand and trademarks which were originally approved by Commodore in 1994 and pre-dates everything which came after Commodore's demise. That in itself was well worth the purchase price. However, speaking personally as an Amiga enthusiast, I just happy to help keep Amiga.org afloat together with the generous donations gratefully received to help with the running costs. Don't forget to keep feeding the kitty! ;-)
TrevorD
@Trevor
I was about to join up (due to your ownership)!
and discovered that the page page said to send money to Bill's company?
Page not fixed yet?
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@SACC-guy
I can confirm that one-off donations go to our PayPal account (I tested this myself by making a donation ;-)). We are in the process of checking/changing the other sign up links.
TrevorD
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Maybe yes.
@kickstart
So sad to see you go...(self edited)
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Its a valid concern when one camp buys amiga.org that the site will be censored heavily because they have a vested financial interest in doing so. Already shown now that posts counter to their agenda will be edited, deleted or heavily censored.
I would have the same concern if MorphOS developers or AROS developers bought amiga.org. Hope this forum stays worth visiting, but it looks bad already...
@haywire
who does own morphos site?
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Mentioning "feeding the kitty" is sort of poor form with these changes, imho.
I couldn't care less who owns the site as long as they don't change it from the spirited, well rounded place it is.
I also do know how business works. The site is now a tax write-off for the new owners considering they do have some cross over factor.
I've got no problem with donations if people want to make them, and it does show the owners that the community supports them. But when corporate interests get involved and associated costs of assets can be written off, I'd be hard pressed to give to what I essentially feel is someone's beer fund.
I don't see A-EON or AmigaKit asking for donations to keep their websites running, because that's a tax write-off. I don't see A.org being anything different for the new owners, is all - even if nothing is changed.
I don't wish to sound like an unappreciative jerk here, but once corporations get involved, things do change.
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Tax write off. I'm not sure what that really means in this case? Amiga.org bills have to be paid whoever owns the website.
TrevorD
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Tax write off. I'm not sure what that really means in this case? Amiga.org bills have to be paid whoever owns the website.
TrevorD
I don't understand that statement either.
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It's a company asset, no different in how I can write my internet, hosting expenses off on the company I operate. Perhaps your tax laws are far different than mine, though - and admittedly it all depends which form of business you operate.
I can write down such expenses at tax time and basically come out even on them.
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Tax write off. I'm not sure what that really means in this case? Amiga.org bills have to be paid whoever owns the website.
TrevorD
Here in Germany you can reduce profit (and thus taxes) when you buy something company-related (f.e. a new computer, software, something for the office, new machines), the only question is if you can do it immediately the full sum or parts of the sum in a couple of years). I assume that it is the same where you live and I also assume that a-eon is a company.
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@haywire
who does own morphos site?
a strange comparation... we talk about a site covering all platforms and not a specific site that only covers one platform
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A-EON Technology is a Limited Company with lots of costs so far and products still in production but these are not yet available and not yet generating revenue. So yes any donations towards Amiga.org running costs are gratefully received. However in return A-EON will invest in the website and work to make Amiga.org the premier Amiga community site.
@itix
Something is missing. A site for Amiga users who favor AmigaOS 3 with RTG.
My A1200 has a Radeon 9250 and 3.9. I find here the best forum to talk about RTG and similar upgrades.
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@itix
My A1200 has a Radeon 9250 and 3.9. I find here the best forum to talk about RTG and similar upgrades.
Perhaps because you are owner of this site? ;-)
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A-EON Technology is a Limited Company with lots of costs so far and products still in production but these are not yet available and not yet generating revenue. So yes any donations towards Amiga.org running costs are gratefully received. However in return A-EON will invest in the website and work to make Amiga.org the premier Amiga community site.
@itix
My A1200 has a Radeon 9250 and 3.9. I find here the best forum to talk about RTG and similar upgrades.
We have a phrase here "Wer zahlt schafft an" that means who pays decides but it is also the opposite "who decides pays". If I have no say and no influence because it is owned by company who defines all rules why paying for it?
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@itix
And of course, I enjoy my hobby :)
@olafs3
amiga.org is a longstanding part of the Amiga community so ultimately it's the users that decide.
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Perhaps because you are owner of this site? ;-)
If there is need for a forum I would think about to setup a new forum. I would need moderators of course because it would be too much work for me.
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@itix
And of course, I enjoy my hobby :)
@olafs3
amiga.org is a longstanding part of the Amiga community so ultimately it's the users that decide.
Yes they do
And it is a domain that can be easily found when former amiga-users search. A good selling platform for you
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Seriously guys, we are open to suggestions on the forums structure. We want to encourage a wide range of "Amiga" interests. Personally I would like to have a developer forum with users sharing coding tips and helping each other with problems. I don't see that much on here. The German forum A1K.org is a good template for the forums on this site.
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Seriously guys, we are open to suggestions on the forums structure. We want to encourage a wide range of "Amiga" interests. Personally I would like to have a developer forum with users sharing coding tips and helping each other with problems. I don't see that much on here. The German forum A1K.org is a good template for the forums on this site.
Open to the rules too and what moderators do?
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Yes of course. We are reviewing this right now, so any suggestions users have please feed them back to us during this review.
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Yes of course. We are reviewing this right now, so any suggestions users have please feed them back to us during this review.
You can only discuss if we know your rules. Up to now even controversy or minority views were tolerated. We have already seen the opposite here now, perhaps not official but by a moderator who thinks to act in the sense of the new owners. Will it be as tolerant here in future as it was in the past?
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@Olafs3
Everybody has the right to their opinion and preference. So tolerance to other posters views is very important IMHO.
On the other side of the argument, there should be no critical or abusive discussion of another persons choices of "Amiga" variant that they prefer as that is their choice. 99% of users here just want to enjoy discussing all things Amiga. Let's make this the premier Amiga forum for those users.
Feel free to PMail me with specific suggestions and any problems you encounter in future.
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I'm just a new member here but...
@AmigaKit: Congratiolations! :rtfm:
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@AmigaJoker
Welcome to Amiga.org. I hope you have fun here.
Thank you for joining the site.
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Earning trust should be priortised as there is very little of it in the Amiga market/community and this is made even more important as it is small.
My suggestion is to make this forum transparent in how it is doing things especially when it comes to money. For example how it is payed for and where donation money goes, etc. Also any issues/conversations that are going on behind the scenes between mods and owners could be made public to allow forum users a chance to debate/participate in the running of the site.
This also applies to AEON as well. AEON is arguably the leaders in the Amiga market/community. The problem with the Amiga market/community is a complete lack of trust and faith that involves any corporate activity. For example C=USA. I think the best thing AEON could do as market leaders is to gain the trust of the community by offering as much transparency as possible.
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Seriously guys, we are open to suggestions on the forums structure. We want to encourage a wide range of "Amiga" interests. Personally I would like to have a developer forum with users sharing coding tips and helping each other with problems. I don't see that much on here. The German forum A1K.org is a good template for the forums on this site.
amiga.org and even aw.net has been once a place where you could discuss projects and developments to certain extent, but a forum is only as good as its members. a1k and eab are amiga hardware oriented sites with a number of knowledgeable active members, few of them were posting here too, but why should they resign on their own forum to move over here? i think its hard to expect as long as their forums are still online.
once there was utilitybase, all in all a rather os4 oriented site, but it had good members and lots of ressources, both as documentation and if you checked discussion threads. there was no moderation necessary, but its gone due to malware and no maintenance.
then olaf opened his amigacoding site and rescued some of utilitybase content, but as expected very limited public attended, lilely because the most actove devs are gone anyway.
all others have their own sites and mailing lists like aros exec, aros dev ml, amigans and morphzone and what not. even mikej who used to post here went his own fpgaarcade forum. there is limited interest to support concurrent platforms all along, which is rather understandable because the development of the own one has a priority of choice.
so how exactly do you want to encourage people to come here for technical discussion? because as it looks like most people that come here do it because they ever did or do it for some coffe house style chat.
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Thanks for the comments, new owners. Didn't mean to grill you on financials, heh. That being said, when one can host a forums for $15 a month with no limits on anything (eg; Hostgator Business class, who provides DNS for A.org), some transparency is needed to keep people contributing, which I truly hope they do here at A.org.
That being said, it's always been about the Amiga here, but don't lose the coffee house style areas. Perhaps have them not pop up on the "fresh posts" lists, but a lot of people do come here to just (pardon my french) "shoot the %&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!" about other topics that aren't entirely Amiga related.
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Here in Germany you can reduce profit (and thus taxes) when you buy something company-related (f.e. a new computer, software, something for the office, new machines), the only question is if you can do it immediately the full sum or parts of the sum in a couple of years). I assume that it is the same where you live and I also assume that a-eon is a company.
Surprised by the answer as it's similar here in New Zealand. Most businesses like to appear that they are also running at a loss ;-)
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@Duce
I would like to upgrade the Amiga.org web hosting in the nearer future, probably bringing it in house. I have been really busy recently with development of AMIStore and setting up the associated servers, so once AMIStore is out and finished I will turn my attention to Amiga.org. I just don't have many hours left in the day at the moment :)
@Olafs3 @duce
There is a place for general discussion and Amiga.org has had a lot of off-topic subjects over the last few years, but it will be nice to encourage more in-depth Amiga specific topics- maybe with tutorials and series of articles around themes of topics throughout the year.
I view Amiga.org as the potential for becoming a modern digital magazine for the Amiga community.
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Here in Germany you can reduce profit (and thus taxes) when you buy something company-related (f.e. a new computer, software, something for the office, new machines), the only question is if you can do it immediately the full sum or parts of the sum in a couple of years). I assume that it is the same where you live and I also assume that a-eon is a company.
Out of curiosity;
Is that the sum of the purchase of this site, or does it also include the running cost of the site?
If its "just the purchase" that is covered in the tax return, then the donations can be attributed to the "running cost"?
Either way; donations is a voulenteery thing, but transparency on the issue will obviously ease minds.
Overall comments; Trevors Blog about what Aeon, Amigakit and their associates are doing, planning and dreaming about has been from my point of view been quite refreshing.
Even small comments about development status is very good to see. Update(s) about hardware/software that might have been expected to be finished by X date, but due to "complexity" or whatever reason is delayed is helpful.
Ofcourse there is a limit to how often and much a few people can keep the info flow going when they have their hands full with developing a buissniss.
The point is; keep doing what you have been done so far. Keep the info flow coming, be it thru the blog or assosiated forum(s).
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then olaf opened his amigacoding site and rescued some of utilitybase content, but as expected very limited public attended, lilely because the most actove devs are gone anyway
You don't get user feedback by hiding in developer forum, yes its nice to have place you can go ask questions and get answers, Amigans.net has tags you can use when posting questions that will format source code correct.
The problem whit utilitybase and amigacoding is that developers go there to ask questions, once they know the answers there is no point going there.
All the developers are in their own forums anyway.
The Amiga wiki pages that Hyperion has spent time setting up is better source for developer information, things are better explained then what you can get from a few posts in a forum, and there is example code, there so you don't need to go looking for it.
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We try to be as transparent as possible as long as there is no commercial disadvantage. A few years ago we discussed the concept of Trevor's Blog (http://blog.a-eon.biz/blog/) and since it's inception he has used it to keep everyone informed of our ongoing projects as well as his own personal activities. I am sure now Amiga.org will feature in it far more prominently going forward.
As far as tax is concerned, Amiga.org is regarded as a Company Asset and the purchase cost is not written off against tax unfortunately.
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Out of curiosity;
Is that the sum of the purchase of this site, or does it also include the running cost of the site?
If its "just the purchase" that is covered in the tax return, then the donations can be attributed to the "running cost"?
Either way; donations is a voulenteery thing, but transparency on the issue will obviously ease minds.
Overall comments; Trevors Blog about what Aeon, Amigakit and their associates are doing, planning and dreaming about has been from my point of view been quite refreshing.
Even small comments about development status is very good to see. Update(s) about hardware/software that might have been expected to be finished by X date, but due to "complexity" or whatever reason is delayed is helpful.
Ofcourse there is a limit to how often and much a few people can keep the info flow going when they have their hands full with developing a buissniss.
The point is; keep doing what you have been done so far. Keep the info flow coming, be it thru the blog or assosiated forum(s).
both, the running costs immediately reduce taxes, bigger investments must be splitted over f.e. five years (depends on tax laws)
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We try to be as transparent as possible as long as there is no commercial disadvantage. A few years ago we discussed the concept of Trevor's Blog (http://blog.a-eon.biz/blog/) and since it's inception he has used it to keep everyone informed of our ongoing projects as well as his own personal activities. I am sure now Amiga.org will feature in it far more prominently going forward.
As far as tax is concerned, Amiga.org is regarded as a Company Asset and the purchase cost is not written off against tax unfortunately.
Is A-eon not a company?
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You don't get user feedback by hiding in developer forum, yes its nice to have place you can go ask questions and get answers, Amigans.net has tags you can use when posting questions that will format source code correct.
The problem whit utilitybase and amigacoding is that developers go there to ask questions, once they know the answers there is no point going there.
All the developers are in their own forums anyway.
The Amiga wiki pages that Hyperion has spent time setting up is better source for developer information, things are better explained then what you can get from a few posts in a forum, and there is example code, there so you don't need to go looking for it.
for user feedback you need a user forum. Or you have a specific product forum
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@Olafs3
Yes it is a Limited Company, so running costs can be put against tax but the purchase costs are an asset, so different tax rules apply to them.
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So how exactly do you want to encourage people to come here for technical discussion? because as it looks like most people that come here do it because they ever did or do it for some coffe house style chat.
On the other sites like Amigans.net and Amigaworld.net it seams that most of the coffee house style chats has moved to Facebook. I think mostly because that can't stay on topic get in trouble whit moderators sooner or latter.
My impression is that Amiga.org has been less strict on moderation.
Etch of the forums has served its own use, generally little activity on all forums.
I guess part of the reason for that is Hyperion support forum, so now people go there if they have problems, and go to Facebook when they what a chat and post wallpapers.
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The problem whit utilitybase and amigacoding is that developers go there to ask questions, once they know the answers there is no point going there.
UtilityBase used to be good forum until owners gave up and abandonded it. I wish AmigaCoding.de had more traffic but new Amiga developments have declined in last years.
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We try to be as transparent as possible as long as there is no commercial disadvantage. A few years ago we discussed the concept of Trevor's Blog (http://blog.a-eon.biz/blog/) and since it's inception he has used it to keep everyone informed of our ongoing projects as well as his own personal activities. I am sure now Amiga.org will feature in it far more prominently going forward.
As far as tax is concerned, Amiga.org is regarded as a Company Asset and the purchase cost is not written off against tax unfortunately.
What I do not like on other forums is that moderators are like gods. They ban people how they like and if you say something you can be banned too. No transparency, often it seems like they do what they want, if f.e. two persons are discussing one person is banned and the other not (and both are equal guilty) without any justification. Amiga.org has TOS too but they were much more tolerant than most other sites (expecially those from the NG community). Now here are the same moderators than on those sites, that I have the fear that the moderation here will be the same than there is hopefully understandable.
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@Olafs3
Yes it is a Limited Company, so running costs can be put against tax but the purchase costs are an asset, so different tax rules apply to them.
Ok, must be specific. Here in Germany laws are different
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@Duce
I would like to upgrade the Amiga.org web hosting in the nearer future, probably bringing it in house. I have been really busy recently with development of AMIStore and setting up the associated servers, so once AMIStore is out and finished I will turn my attention to Amiga.org. I just don't have many hours left in the day at the moment :)
@Olafs3 @duce
There is a place for general discussion and Amiga.org has had a lot of off-topic subjects over the last few years, but it will be nice to encourage more in-depth Amiga specific topics- maybe with tutorials and series of articles around themes of topics throughout the year.
I view Amiga.org as the potential for becoming a modern digital magazine for the Amiga community.
User orientated Tutorials might have a chance, there are many good programs with no informations left. Regarding programming tutorials I fear there are not enough people starting to learn programming. Those who are still left are experienced and do not need such informations. At best they have specific questions, like specific problems with MUI/Zune/Reaction or a problem with certain libraries.
In my own distribution I have f.e. Wildfire, Real3D, Ignition, SoundFX and so on. If you look for user orientated tutorials in the web nothing.
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@Olafs3
We are in the process of talking to all the moderators.
My personal opinion is that on the rare occasion that a moderator has to step in and edit a post, they should reference the section of the Amiga.org Rules to clearly explain publically what part of the post has broken the rules.
Most people want to have fun discussing the computer platform that they have enjoyment from without having to get into conflicts with other users.
We all know that this has not been the case at Amiga.org recently and there are a *very* *small* minority of users who want to push their ideas, promote their "Amiga" platform by making statements not backed up by fact and also they will re-iterate inflamatory statements which are likely to get a reaction from other users, essentially to create friction on the thread (stir up trouble). A moderator will then need to step in an diffuse the situation and point the thread back on track. In extreme cases, maybe even close the thread or take other formal actions.
So I see it as consistent but fair moderation.
BTW: in future, if a moderator needs to apply the rules to one of my posts, I will welcome that and apologise for my infringement of the rules. We are all human and can make mistakes.
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I do not see the moderation on other sites as always fair and balanced. And if the same people that moderate there also moderate this site they will do it the same way. Or do you think different?
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for user feedback you need a user forum. Or you have a specific product forum
For user feedback you need a user forum.
I believe a way to keep users interested is to include users in the development process, make users come with suggestions and feedback. Yes their are things like bug trackers that are better to keep track of issues and improvements, but I think a forum has its own use.
Or you have a specific product forum
Yes that's kind of what was missing on Amigaworld.net and other forums, if you did have problems whit hardware x you where unable to find solutions to the problems by simply looking in categories.
Even if you did find some a topic with the same issue, it was likely it was pages filled with off topic posts and wrong answers. Anyway I believe wiki pages can be better for that kind of thing, if your just looking for answers.
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@OlafS3
if anyone else moderators on other sites, we do not control what they do there. The only site we control is here, and being fair and balanced is important and consistency is also very important. Its not an easy task being a moderator, so please bear in mind that these guys are always going to get negative feedback (a thankless task unfortunately). It is like being a referee at a football match, everyone is against the referee but he has to do a job for the match to be played.
If there are problems, we will have an escalation procedure so users can take it to appeal.
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User orientated Tutorials might have a chance, there are many good programs with no informations left. Regarding programming tutorials I fear there are not enough people starting to learn programming. Those who are still left are experienced and do not need such informations. At best they have specific questions, like specific problems with MUI/Zune/Reaction or a problem with certain libraries.
In my own distribution I have f.e. Wildfire, Real3D, Ignition, SoundFX and so on. If you look for user orientated tutorials in the web nothing.
I suspect that a fair share of the new breed of programmers go directly into the "app" aspect of it?
When it comes to detailed tutorials they have been hard to find until very lately.
In my opinion Photons Amiga Hardware Programming series on Youtube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p83QUZ1-P10
Is the perfect example about how to do that aspect of tutorials. Is extremely detailed and easy to grasp, plus you can go back and rewatch it over and over. Simply amazing piece of work.
He also got a hopepage; http://coppershade.org/
When it comes to Hardware/Software reviews; Epsilons take on it is as amazing as Photons coding tutorials. Detailed, step by step and basically spoonfeeding "amiga dummies" like me.
http://classicamiga.blogspot.com.au/
http://amigax1000.blogspot.com.au/
Thats the standard Aeon/Amigakit should aim for imho, but obviously it takes an incredible amount of work to pull it off.
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@Olafs3
We are in the process of talking to all the moderators.
My personal opinion is that on the rare occasion that a moderator has to step in and edit a post, they should reference the section of the Amiga.org Rules to clearly explain publically what part of the post has broken the rules.
Most people want to have fun discussing the computer platform that they have enjoyment from without having to get into conflicts with other users.
We all know that this has not been the case at Amiga.org recently and there are a *very* *small* minority of users who want to push their ideas, promote their "Amiga" platform by making statements not backed up by fact and also they will re-iterate inflamatory statements which are likely to get a reaction from other users, essentially to create friction on the thread (stir up trouble). A moderator will then need to step in an diffuse the situation and point the thread back on track. In extreme cases, maybe even close the thread or take other formal actions.
So I see it as consistent but fair moderation.
BTW: in future, if a moderator needs to apply the rules to one of my posts, I will welcome that and apologise for my infringement of the rules. We are all human and can make mistakes.
"backed up by fact"
If somebody says that certain hardware is not competitive regarding price as a example it is backed by facts. Would that be accepted as a view or censored because not the new majority view? As I wrote moderation here was much more tolerant here than on sites like amigaworld and that has to do with the moderators. If you put in the same people here than there (what is the case obviously) then you get the same results, a kind of amigaworld 2.0. When that is your goal then it is ok, you own it but that is not what most users here wanted otherwise they would have posted on amigaworld and not here. You understand what I mean?
Here was a different group of users with different interests and views
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It's a company asset, no different in how I can write my internet, hosting expenses off on the company I operate.
Your internet bill or hosting expenses is not an asset, it's a normal business expense so it can be offset against your tax bill.
Anything with a resale value however is an asset and they fall under different rules (at least in the uk). You can only offset the difference between what you paid and what the item is now worth & you do that over multiple years. If the item increases in value then next year you'll have to pay tax on the increase.
I can write down such expenses at tax time and basically come out even on them.
What do you mean come out even? You've still had to pay the money, you just won't be taxed on it (as you don't have the money anymore). With an asset it's different as you still have it, so you're taxed as if you still have the money that you earned. A lot of companies lease instead of buying assets because it can have tax advantages http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/manuals/blmmanual/blm00705.htm
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What I do not like on other forums is that moderators are like gods. They ban people how they like and if you say something you can be banned too. No transparency, often it seems like they do what they want, if f.e. two persons are discussing one person is banned and the other not (and both are equal guilty) without any justification. Amiga.org has TOS too but they were much more tolerant than most other sites (expecially those from the NG community). Now here are the same moderators than on those sites, that I have the fear that the moderation here will be the same than there is hopefully understandable.
Simply complaining about the problem doesn't fix the problem. Maybe here is your cue to put your hand up as a new moderator? If you are not prepared to be a part of the solution you shouldn't complain about it :)
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Simply complaining about the problem doesn't fix the problem. Maybe here is your cue to put your hand up as a new moderator? If you are not prepared to be a part of the solution you shouldn't complain about it :)
I would be very surprised if I get the offer
Forgotten, I am a "troll", post too often in related threads :)
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As always, new owners same old melodrama.
Let's give the new guv'nors a chance before we start proclaiming the end of free speech, shall we?
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@Olafs3
That is their personal view and it should be respected. Value to different people is perceived in many different ways.
However, when someone re-iterates that point, especially with inflammatory statements and creates an agenda consistently without contributing anything positive to the thread, it may be considered as trying to create controversy and promote their agenda on other people without consideration to other people's views on the matter. I also notice that sometimes, statements are taken out of context to create negativity.
When I joined this forum 10 years ago, it was very different place. Lets get back to discussing the "Amiga" - the small minority can spoil this website for the vast majority here.
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@Olafs3
I personally dislike the words "troll" and "trolling": they are abused to describe behavior on forums and become too broad in definition. If someone infringes the rules, they should be specifically told exactly the rule that has been breached, not labelled as "trolling". Accountability is very important to make Amiga.org a friendly place to visit.
We will need to discuss this in detail with the moderators and listen to their views.
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@Olafs3
That is their personal view and it should be respected. Value to different people is perceived in many different ways.
However, when someone re-iterates that point, especially with inflammatory statements and creates an agenda consistently without contributing anything positive to the thread, it may be considered as trying to create controversy and promote their agenda on other people without consideration to other people's views on the matter. I also notice that sometimes, statements are taken out of context to create negativity.
When I joined this forum 10 years ago, it was very different place. Lets get back to discussing the "Amiga" - the small minority can spoil this website for the vast majority here.
Perception is always subjective. It would be already a big win if there would be transparency, if moderators must justify their actions and even loose the status when misusing it. There will always be different views.
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@Olafs3
I dislike the words "troll" and "trolling": they are abused to describe behavior on forums and become too broad in definition. If someone infringes the rules, they should be specifically told exactly the rule that has been breached, not labelled as "trolling". Accountability is very important to make Amiga.org a friendly place to visit.
I used it because you can often read it and someone used it against me. Transparency regarding any decision would be needed, be it changes of postings or warnings/bannings against users. And the moderators should not hide behind the TOS (like they always do) but justify their view against the users. If it is justified and covered by rules they can do that without problem.
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@Olafs3
Exactly, its never going to be perfect.
There will be tests to apply to any post, though: ask yourself is this post made to contribute positively to this thread or is is designed to create controversy or inflame other users?
Then you need to assess whether the post is a legitimate point of view that adds value to the thread or is deliberately designed to be destructive to the discussion.
Not always an easy thing to do, so moderators need to be commended for the quality of good judgement calls they take in difficult situations.
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"backed up by fact"
If somebody says that certain hardware is not competitive regarding price as a example it is backed by facts. Would that be accepted as a view or censored because not the new majority view? As I wrote moderation here was much more tolerant here than on sites like amigaworld and that has to do with the moderators. If you put in the same people here than there (what is the case obviously) then you get the same results, a kind of amigaworld 2.0. When that is your goal then it is ok, you own it but that is not what most users here wanted otherwise they would have posted on amigaworld and not here. You understand what I mean?
Here was a different group of users with different interests and views
There are always going to be cases where you (or anybody) disagrees with a moderator's decision, but that's the case on every forum, chat room etc.
I don't think we have to worry about A.org turning into the AW.Net of 2002 though, although Amigakit and Trevor obviously do have a vested-interest in OS4, Amigakit probably makes the majority of its sales on classic hardware expansions (I know that's where most of my spending goes with them), and Trevor is a well-known Amiga addict, he has multiple versions of every Commodore Amiga and also runs MorphOS on several machines (and posts at Morphzone), as well as being a bloody nice bloke to go with it.
A-eon as a business supporting the Amiga are open to new ideas (and ways to make a few quid I'm sure), as their classic sound card project shows, they are keep to support the "real" Amiga as well as OS4 machines.
I'd say this site is in great hands now (and I say this as a former-OS4 user who now uses MorphOS and classic).
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Congratulations on the acquisition and good luck with the site!
(All rights reserved text!)
:)
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@psxphil
I'm sorry if my statements didn't make sense. What I mean, at least over here (CA, as a LLC) - if I buy "xxx company" or "xxx website" and fold them into my companies interests, I can write down some operating expenses. For example, I'm in the IT and telecomms business, if I buy out some IT news site, once it becomes my property it's MY asset. I can run it in whatever form I choose, but once I've bought and paid for it it's my asset and I can write off certain expenses tied to the operations of it once the appropriate amount of time passes.
Again, running a site like this (A.org), on the host it's currently on is $15-$20 a month unless someone signed an extremely stupid contract. I know because I have sites on the same host and I pay $13 a month for unlimited everything.
The ads would have paid far more than what it took to operate the place under the old regime, not to mention the donations. I'm not here to nitpick the new owners - in fact, I do think they will do a bang up job. But anyone thinking that this site costs a grand a month to run is a lunatic.
As I said, your tax laws may vary. Mine allow me to write off operating expenses on assets and materials.
Anyways, I digress - so last post from me on the subject. Best of luck to the new owners.
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Regarding the tax suff:
(http://i.imgur.com/pDeDlFvl.jpg)
Who cares? Just saying...
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That being said, it's always been about the Amiga here, but don't lose the coffee house style areas. Perhaps have them not pop up on the "fresh posts" lists, but a lot of people do come here to just (pardon my french) "shoot the %&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!" about other topics that aren't entirely Amiga related.
An excellent point, considering that if that aspect gets interfered with, half the user base evaporates. It's pretty thin as it is.
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I think it was Lurch who mentioned this also... Where's the "50 Latest Posts" link gone? I can't easily play catch-up now as sometimes I don't log in for a number of days. That link is a superb feature which makes Amiga.org much easier for me and is one of the reasons I stick to this forum mostly as it makes my life a bit easier. :)
I understand you're wanting to make changes visually, and perhaps this was a move to make people browse the forum categories, but I'd still like to see the link somewhere, if not on the home page, but somewhere (anywhere except the internet achive LOL).
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@kickstart
So sad to see you go...(self edited)
Is nice to see how you self edit your post, getting used to the new a.org era.
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Is nice to see how you self edit your post, getting used to the new a.org era.
Not sure what you mean by that.
It has been possible for users to edit their own posts since the first xoops version of the site which was literally over a decade ago. Not exactly a new thing.
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Not sure what you mean by that.
It has been possible for users to edit their own posts since the first xoops version of the site which was literally over a decade ago. Not exactly a new thing.
it was sarcasm
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Referring to those misteriuosly post edited posts by mickeymiky or whatever.
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It seems the Amiga community as a whole, is very skeptical of anything new.
this attitude really makes the community seem unwelcoming. It's not really
surprising with the many grandiose promises made by different owners of the
Amiga IP and name, and software and hardware manufacturers, that were
never kept.
Getting your hopes up and having them repeatedly dashed can make a
person or a community rather cold to new ideas and change, but if we don't
moderate this attitude a bit we are going to scare off what few developers
and idea people that are left or might come along in the future. Who wants to
present and idea or a new product only to be labeled a scammer or be met with
sarcasm and skepticism.
These guys who bought Amiga.org have been around the community for quite
some time and provide development and sales for what has to be a very small market,
sure they do it to make some money, but they could probably be more profitably
engaged, by developing and selling for other platforms. It is has to be the Amiga
platform and the better aspects of the community that keep them here, not the huge
profits they are making from sales to a niche community and platform.
Everyone has their own ideas of where the Amiga should go in the future, but it will go
NOWHERE, if we don't start giving people a chance and stop always suspecting them
of nefarious motives.
Anyhow welcome to the new owners.
On a side note since I have seen several post asking to bring back banned members,
could someone invite DOOMY back? I always found his rants quite humorous, and a little
levity here could not hurt. Just kidding.....Mostly ;)
Chuck E.
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Referring to those misteriuosly post edited posts by mickeymiky or whatever.
huh back already from your 'threat' of leaving? mysterious ?? fully agree with mod's decision below and his reasons were well laid out. Seeing as reading comprehension isn't your forte I've attached the aforementioned post below and I'll be clear once again that it wouldn't matter whether he were talking about either of the Amiga flavours available today as per post no. 106 (quoting myself here):
The vested interest is in providing a community portal for all Amiga users without prejudice and without someone blatantly repeating over and over again why their chosen flavour is better than another users.
Enjoy what you like and respect that others do the same. Sounds simple right.
mikeymike's edited post:
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Originally Posted by haywirepc (http://www.amiga.org/forums/web/buttons/viewpost.gif) (http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?p=766425#post766425)
x1000 is a big huge monstrous dud. 3k? Ppc is dead. os4 is a bad joke by now.
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Originally Posted by haywirepc (http://www.amiga.org/forums/web/buttons/viewpost.gif) (http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?p=766425#post766425)
os4, hyperion, sam boards and x1000?
Worst option forward. Just one guys opinions.
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Originally Posted by haywirepc (http://www.amiga.org/forums/web/buttons/viewpost.gif) (http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?p=766425#post766425)
If this site becomes a cheerleader camp for os4/sam/x1000 I'm out.
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Originally Posted by haywirepc (http://www.amiga.org/forums/web/buttons/viewpost.gif) (http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?p=766425#post766425)
Everyday use amiga systems now forming... but its aeros and aros and Morphos leading that charge now...
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You say you don't want a cheerleader site, then perhaps you should start by not acting like a cheerleader yourself.
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Well this is great news.
On logging in just now, I see I hadn't logged in for over a month. I had literally given up on this site.
Now I see that some of those who put me off coming here are thinking of leaving. Guess I'll stick around now.
Good luck to you Trevor and congratulations.
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Well this is great news.
On logging in just now, I see I hadn't logged in for over a month. I had literally given up on this site.
Now I see that some of those who put me off coming here are thinking of leaving. Guess I'll stick around now.
Good luck to you Trevor and congratulations.
been hearing that alot lately..welcome back :D
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@Olafs3
Exactly, its never going to be perfect.
There will be tests to apply to any post, though: ask yourself is this post made to contribute positively to this thread or is is designed to create controversy or inflame other users?
Then you need to assess whether the post is a legitimate point of view that adds value to the thread or is deliberately designed to be destructive to the discussion.
Not always an easy thing to do, so moderators need to be commended for the quality of good judgement calls they take in difficult situations.
@thread
amiga.org has always been a fine site...
I'm sure it will be even better with the newest owners.
Trevor and Matthew are supporters of all things Amiga (old and new)
They even put up their own money.
Say Thanks and hope they keep doing it... or you could start using your money!!!
M
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huh back already from your 'threat' of leaving? mysterious ??
What leaving threat? I just answer to a suggestion from the user itix... whe i wnat to leave this or anything of the internet i dont need to make a threats announcing something.
PS: With your signature dont talk about cheerleaders when you have "x1000" everywhere.
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huh back already from your 'threat' of leaving? mysterious ?? fully agree with mod's decision below and his reasons were well laid out. Seeing as reading comprehension isn't your forte I've attached the aforementioned post below and I'll be clear once again that it wouldn't matter whether he were talking about either of the Amiga flavours available today as per post no. 106 (quoting myself here):
The vested interest is in providing a community portal for all Amiga users without prejudice and without someone blatantly repeating over and over again why their chosen flavour is better than another users.
Enjoy what you like and respect that others do the same. Sounds simple right.
mikeymike's edited post:
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Originally Posted by haywirepc (http://www.amiga.org/forums/web/buttons/viewpost.gif) (http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?p=766425#post766425)
x1000 is a big huge monstrous dud. 3k? Ppc is dead. os4 is a bad joke by now.
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Originally Posted by haywirepc (http://www.amiga.org/forums/web/buttons/viewpost.gif) (http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?p=766425#post766425)
os4, hyperion, sam boards and x1000?
Worst option forward. Just one guys opinions.
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Originally Posted by haywirepc (http://www.amiga.org/forums/web/buttons/viewpost.gif) (http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?p=766425#post766425)
If this site becomes a cheerleader camp for os4/sam/x1000 I'm out.
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Originally Posted by haywirepc (http://www.amiga.org/forums/web/buttons/viewpost.gif) (http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?p=766425#post766425)
Everyday use amiga systems now forming... but its aeros and aros and Morphos leading that charge now...
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You say you don't want a cheerleader site, then perhaps you should start by not acting like a cheerleader yourself.
It is Haywires view and his view is as valid as yours (believing in X1000...). Nobody has the right to judge what view is valid and what not. There was nothing insulting in the post, not against Trevor and not against other AmigaOS user. If such a posting is treated this way it is called censorship and that is obviously new to this site. And that has risen the mistrust by many user even further. If a company with obvious economic interests takes over a user site it should avoid anything that creates the impression of censorship. Do you understand what I mean?
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Some of the comments would be relevant if this was a discussion about the X1000 or discussing OS4 or discussing PPC future, it wasn't about any of these subject and the comments posted were off completely topic. So why were these topics posted in this thread?
nothing insulting in the post
I disagree: there were subjective comments that could cause offence or inflame the thread.
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@OlafS3
Its the tone of the post(s) tho. Its quite negativly loaded.
I personally have issues with the cost vs performance ratio myself (performance includes drivers, software in general etc), but Im not going to jump up and down calling it a failure.
And with regards to utilizing the hardware, you can always go the Linux route (yes there are cheaper hardware options if thats the case)
Trevor and Matthew are doing what most of us dont;
They have a vision and the energy and will to follow thru. Its easy to sit back and do nothing (beyond post negativly).
For x amount of years there was very little hardware development, and people where griping over that fact.
Then someone dares to step forward and follow their vision of what OS4 and the associated hardware should be, and we do our best to discourage them. Great!
We might or might not share the vision they have, but I for one are impressed with their determination and will to see their project(s) thru.
OS4 NG and Classic Amiga need more people like them!
Edit; Amigakit; I just read your last post and will bow out of this thread now :)
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@ OlafS3
seriously I know you to be more level headed then that. Those 'views' are the reason many OS4.x users don't dare even bother with this site in the past.
yet another example, I love using my Amiga 1000 regularly too so now I go to a site and post a question specific to the A1000 and then some person posts his 'views' as follows:
Amiga 1000 is a big huge monstrous dud. 3k? 512Kb chip ram is a bad joke by now.
or,
Amiga 1000 is Worst option forward. Just one guys opinions.
or
Everyday use amiga systems now forming... but its aeros and aros and Morphos leading that charge now...
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well do you think that Amiga 1000 user would feel welcome here and what would he say to others about such a site??
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@OlafS3
......Its not an easy task being a moderator, .........(a thankless task unfortunately).......
As is doing anything for the Amiga "community".
So Thanks to everyone at Amigakit and A-EON and everyone else who is doing something Amiga related.
P.S, just a thought, maybe A-EON could bring out an FPGA amiga-compatible running AROS 68K in a couple of years.:)
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Some of the comments would be relevant if this was a discussion about the X1000 or discussing OS4 or discussing PPC future, it wasn't about any of these subject and the comments posted were off completely topic. So why were these topics posted in this thread?
I disagree: there were subjective comments that could cause offence or inflame the thread.
Why did usual suspects post tinfoil hats to this thread? If you cant keep your moderators in line they ruin your business. Moderators on this site are now your moderators.
I dont have problem you and a-eon owning this site but you put yourself to tricky position where you have to try to please both OS4 users and non-OS4 users.
Remember: The customer is always right.
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Some of the comments would be relevant if this was a discussion about the X1000 or discussing OS4 or discussing PPC future, it wasn't about any of these subject and the comments posted were off completely topic. So why were these topics posted in this thread?
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rhetorical question. same old same old here sadly on every single thread where OS4.x is even remotely mentioned:crazy:
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It's AmigaONE X1000, the Amiga name in computers still belongs to Amiga Inc.
That aside Trevor understands the depth of his market. Yes £1700 is a lot but there are those who are willing to pay it. Trevor made a desktop in an extremely niche market, at a time when the desktop market is saturated and in decline and made a few quid on it, that is nothing short of amazing.
Let's give him a chance with Amiga.org before attacking.
@ OlafS3
seriously I know you to be more level headed then that. Those 'views' are the reason many OS4.x users don't dare even bother with this site in the past.
yet another example, I love using my Amiga 1000 regularly too so now I go to a site and post a question specific to the A1000 and then some person posts his 'views' as follows:
Amiga 1000 is a big huge monstrous dud. 3k? 512Kb chip ram is a bad joke by now.
or,
Amiga 1000 is Worst option forward. Just one guys opinions.
or
Everyday use amiga systems now forming... but its aeros and aros and Morphos leading that charge now...
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well do you think that Amiga 1000 user would feel welcome here and what would he say to others about such a site??
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I'm not going to read over all 14 pages of text, and I really don't wish to. :)
But, I will say congratulations, thankyou, and good luck to A-Eon and associated supprt companies such as AmigaKit. You have proven so far with product after product that you have a vision, and the actual resources to continue with the Amiga growth/change. :)
I hope you can continue what you are doing as I see your actions as being very good for the Amiga as a whole.
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Staying on topic, the new owners have done more to revive the Amiga "concept" in support of new and classic hardware along with a progressive approach to software than most anyone else (honorable mentions the Jens and several others). Things are looking up with new products and renewed excitement among the community.
However, those of who have a feel of the lawlessness of America's West, know the Laissez-faire attitude of the Amiga.org web site, where freedom of speech is balanced by the "ignored member" list. Thus we have quite a discussion on a small topic -- mostly by people on my ignore list.
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[censored] = Freedom of speech? This is not America, this is AMIGALAND.
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OlafS3 wrote:
nothing insulting in the post
klx300r wrote:
@ OlafS3
Those 'views' are the reason many OS4.x users don't dare even bother with this site in the past.
Yep, I agree with that quote from klx300r..
Why do you think most OS4 users prefers to hang out on AW.net and Amigans instead of hanging out here on Amiga.org?
Yes, it's because of those "aggressive and inflammatory views" from a small minority of users just expressing their "freedom of speech", that's why :-)
What would you think if some users would always start to throw cr*p in threads where MorphOS or AROS is mentioned?
Not very nice to see that isn't it. Why not just skip the abusive behavior and accepts other persons' choices of "Amiga" variants (as that is their choice), and leave it at that. At least I do (I don't bother/mind if you are black or white, what country you come from, what religion you believe in, or what computer OS you prefer, etc...) and many others :)
PS: my two cents
So, back to topic... Trevor and Matthew (AmigaKit) are not some outsiders or any furniture dealers who just bought something "Amiga" to earn some fast buck. No, they have been in the amigascene (also using and supporting "Amiga") for many many years. So nothing strange with them owning A.org... :)
Have a good day (or night) :-)
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Yep, I agree with that quote from klx300r..
Why do you think most OS4 users prefers to hang out on AW.net and Amigans instead of hanging out here on Amiga.org?
Yes, it's because of those "aggressive and inflammatory views" from a small minority of users just expressing their "freedom of speech", that's why :-)
What would you think if some users would always start to throw cr*p in threads where MorphOS or AROS is mentioned?
Not very nice to see that isn't it. Why not just skip the abusive behavior and accepts other persons' choices of "Amiga" variants (as that is their choice), and leave it at that. At least I do (I don't bother/mind if you are black or white, what country you come from, what religion you believe in, or what computer OS you prefer, etc...) and many others :)
PS: my two cents
So, back to topic... Trevor and Matthew (AmigaKit) are not some outsiders or any furniture dealers who just bought something "Amiga" to earn some fast buck. No, they have been in the amigascene (also using and supporting "Amiga") for many many years. So nothing strange with them owning A.org... :)
Have a good day (or night) :-)
Propably people look at the same post different when they are OS4 fans or not. His words were a little harsh, partly facts partly emotions. But when you mention other sites, perhaps it is also the opposite that non-OS4 users do not feel on these sites at home too. Perhaps there are two realities out there, not just the OS4 supporter reality.
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@ OlafS3
seriously I know you to be more level headed then that. Those 'views' are the reason many OS4.x users don't dare even bother with this site in the past.
yet another example, I love using my Amiga 1000 regularly too so now I go to a site and post a question specific to the A1000 and then some person posts his 'views' as follows:
Amiga 1000 is a big huge monstrous dud. 3k? 512Kb chip ram is a bad joke by now.
or,
Amiga 1000 is Worst option forward. Just one guys opinions.
or
Everyday use amiga systems now forming... but its aeros and aros and Morphos leading that charge now...
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well do you think that Amiga 1000 user would feel welcome here and what would he say to others about such a site??
I would personally never use such words and besides I do not care what other people use their money for.
When I would say something similar I would say that in todays world any "custom designs" without offering advantages compared to standard hardware are the wrong direction, that it would be better to port something to cheaper mass hardware, "Hardware for the masses, not the classes" and that high-prized hardware without benefits will not bring new users. Would that be a "view" or already "trolling". If I wrote the same on other sites I already get harsh comments, here it was possible.
I cannot and will not judge or compare AmigaOS compared to MorphOS or AROS because I do not own it. In practise all have (more or less) the same software, the biggest difference is supported hardware. Haywire wrote it in emotion and it would be better to be more polite and base it on facts. When I write something I (mostly) try to offer facts and describe why I think something. If that would become a rule here that you can critisize but not by using harsh words but that should be the same for everyone (including OS4 supporters). As a example someone claimed that AmigaOS is the only "true Amiga successor". By that he said AROS and MorphOS user are not Amigans. That can be also seen as insulting but that was never censored. And if two have a argument and both are harsh both must be banned or none. People should treated equal.
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@OlafS3
I would personally never use such words and besides I do not care what other people use their money for.
This is the right way to contribute on these forums.
If I wrote the same on other sites I already get harsh comments, here it was possible.
harsh comments? if you express your view, then chances are it is going to be responded to by someone with a different view. As long on is on topic and not repeating the same view in an emotive way designed to inflame, no one here will stop you expressing that view. Everyone is free to have their opinion- that is what should make a forum an interesting place to contribute to and read, as long as we don't push our opinions forcibly onto someone else.
I cannot and will not judge or compare AmigaOS compared to MorphOS or AROS because I do not own it.
And of course, this thread is not about that subject at all, but you are free to open another thread discussing it if you so wish.
Lets deal with these situations as they arise in future, I agree with your comments on basing statements in fact and respecting the views of others, but having the freedom to express your view sensibly when it is on-topic.
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Amiga.org has for a long time been the main port of entry to the Amiga community, and most new and returning users come through here. It has become clear to me that Matthew Leeman of AmigaKit dislikes competition, and I think he would prefer to have a monopoly on Amiga products and services, and not see prospecting developers and new vendors entering the market. I think acquiring amiga.org is partly a business initiative to herd all these new and returning users into the AmigaKit web shop, and not let them slip away to other vendors and competing products.
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Im not going to speak on behalf of Amigakit and what they think of competition, cause I have no idea in that regard.
But;
Yes there is a relativly limited customerbase, so being very active on the market is a good way to conduct buissniss.
As a enduser I for the most part have a few requirements to a vedor/shop;
1) Ease of use/web front
Amigakits shop/inventory list could use some tidying up. Its not very easy to find stuff, but more often than not using their search function fixes the issue. If everything fails, search for the product and add the shopname in a searchengine. But there are room for improvements.
2) Reliable delivery
After 1 or 2 orders you get a clear impression wether or not you can trust the vendor.
So far they have not dissapointed me, so I have had little reason to look elsewhere.
Customers are often quite loyal once they find a vendor they feel comfortable with, as long as the pricing isnt far off competition.
3) Being able to get in touch with vendor
So far Ive gotten replies from Amigakit within relativly short time when Ive queried.
Ive known of Amigakit for a long time because Matthew is relativly active on the forum. Visibility is important in buissniss.
The company got a good name. Its easy to find by a quick search. So that was a smart move.
I find it hard to fault a company for wanting to maximise their turnover/buissniss thru good customer service.
I do see your point it might create a monopoly situation, but I find the streamlining of service Amigakit is developing as a needed level of professionalism that this platform desperatly need (be it NG or Classic).
Obviously I hope other vendors manage to create enough buissniss to justify their efforts on the Amiga platform.
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Amiga.org has for a long time been the main port of entry to the Amiga community, and most new and returning users come through here. It has become clear to me that Matthew Leeman of AmigaKit dislikes competition, and I think he would prefer to have a monopoly on Amiga products and services, and not see prospecting developers and new vendors entering the market. I think acquiring amiga.org is partly a business initiative to herd all these new and returning users into the AmigaKit web shop, and not let them slip away to other vendors and competing products.
Well this seems like a pretty ad hominem attack. Typical negativity from amiga.org members, thank goodness for free speech! :rolleyes: I'd say it's more likely that "Matthew Leeman of AmigaKit has a thick skin, and/or is a glutton for punishment", lol. There, I fixed that for you. ;)
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Im not going to speak on behalf of Amigakit and what they think of competition, cause I have no idea in that regard.
But;
Yes there is a relativly limited customerbase, so being very active on the market is a good way to conduct buissniss.
As a enduser I for the most part have a few requirements to a vedor/shop;
1) Ease of use/web front
Amigakits shop/inventory list could use some tidying up. Its not very easy to find stuff, but more often than not using their search function fixes the issue. If everything fails, search for the product and add the shopname in a searchengine. But there are room for improvements.
2) Reliable delivery
After 1 or 2 orders you get a clear impression wether or not you can trust the vendor.
So far they have not dissapointed me, so I have had little reason to look elsewhere.
Customers are often quite loyal once they find a vendor they feel comfortable with, as long as the pricing isnt far off competition.
3) Being able to get in touch with vendor
So far Ive gotten replies from Amigakit within relativly short time when Ive queried.
Ive known of Amigakit for a long time because Matthew is relativly active on the forum. Visibility is important in buissniss.
The company got a good name. Its easy to find by a quick search. So that was a smart move.
I find it hard to fault a company for wanting to maximise their turnover/buissniss thru good customer service.
I do see your point it might create a monopoly situation, but I find the streamlining of service Amigakit is developing as a needed level of professionalism that this platform desperatly need (be it NG or Classic).
Obviously I hope other vendors manage to create enough buissniss to justify their efforts on the Amiga platform.
We will see in future if this will stay a neutral platform and if competing platforms like AROS (including my distribution) or MorphOS and solutions like Pascals App Store (that directly competes with the App Store from a-eon that makes Amigakit Marketing for) will be treated equal. I will judge them by their actions.
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I hope, and expect that too OlafS3.
Personally Im quite conservative when it comes to what vendor I use.
For example, there are certain airlines I WILL not fly with out of principle because of their trackrecord with regards to how they treat their employees (I work in the industry, so I get some inside info etc).
And, within reason, I try my hardest to use local stores around where I live to atleast do my part in keeping them alive.
Same will apply to amiga.org and Amigakit. If I sense that alternative platforms are being systematically shut out, I will start to look for alternative vendors.
Leffmans point about amiga.org being the main port for returning and new users is very much true tho.
Funnily enough I do find English Amiga Board to be the most alive, informative and mature.
I guess people that have been on the "amigascene" for a while gravitate towards that forum as they become aware of it because of the friendly and helpful tone.
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Remember: The customer is always right.
Except for the ones who think they are right ...
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"Matthew Leeman of AmigaKit has a thick skin, and/or is a glutton for punishment"
Maybe a bit a both :D
Lets be realistic here, the Amiga market is a tiny commercial space. The sad fact is that it cannot sustain many resellers at present because there are not enough users. Many resellers have "real" jobs apart from selling Amiga products on the side to make extra money. In my case, I work in the Amiga market full time and have employees to pay every month and very real overheads without fail. Every order is vitally important to meeting the financial obligations at the end of every month.
AmigaKit is 10 years old this month and serving the Amiga community is a privilege and over the last decade, it has had high points and low points like any job does.
The vast majority of my existing customers are from Amiga.org, so that is one reason I have a fondness for this website over others and make myself available here to customers. Some of the users here were the first ones to place orders with me 10 years ago and still are shopping at AmigaKit so we have got to know them very well :)
The acquisition of Amiga.org is definately one of those high points! Trevor and I are very excited by the opportunity to improve the site and restore some of its former glory.
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@Leffman
not see prospecting developers and new vendors entering the market
For the last six months, I have been working very hard to encourage developers to write new software, no easy task I can assure you :) We distribute our products to other vendors, for example the more recent example is our Arcade Evolution joystick for the Amiga (http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=1172) which can be found at a few resellers over the world. We will be distributing the Prisma Sound card through several vendors worldwide too in the near future.
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Hi, there is a glitch on the home page in the stats section you should take a look at. It's showing secret moderator threads we are not supposed to see so i thought i should report it (but not before i had fun reading them). For example: amigadave is getting hammered on his birthday so he wont be around, moderation policies, amigadave is coming back because he likes the new owners, etc.
Also thanks for clearing out the spam blogs.
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I like the new owners too! ;-)
TrevorD
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Amiga.org has for a long time been the main port of entry to the Amiga community, and most new and returning users come through here. It has become clear to me that Matthew Leeman of AmigaKit dislikes competition, and I think he would prefer to have a monopoly on Amiga products and services, and not see prospecting developers and new vendors entering the market. I think acquiring amiga.org is partly a business initiative to herd all these new and returning users into the AmigaKit web shop, and not let them slip away to other vendors and competing products.
You know some of us have stuck around long enough to remember just how bleak things had become in the Amiga marketplace around 2003 before Amigakit landed onto the scene, hardware development was drying up fast as vendors like Eyetec, Analogic lost interest in classic platform and begun to leave in droves.
I never thought in my wildest dreams that 10 years on companies like Elbox would still be doing production runs of some of their product line, or we would ever see new hardware like accelerators or sound cards being produced again. I think the success of Amigakit has only helped spur development of these products and been instrumental in making our hobby the small niche market it is today.
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Hi, there is a glitch on the home page in the stats section you should take a look at. It's showing secret moderator threads we are not supposed to see so i thought i should report it (but not before i had fun reading them). For example: amigadave is getting hammered on his birthday so he wont be around, moderation policies, amigadave is coming back because he likes the new owners, etc.
Also thanks for clearing out the spam blogs.
Amigadave is coming back? Great they can cancel my account now.
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@akiko
Yes this is exactly what spurred me on to start the AmigaKit project a decade ago, resellers were closing left, right and centre so something had to be done quickly at the time.
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Why do you think most OS4 users prefers to hang out on AW.net and Amigans instead of hanging out here on Amiga.org?
Yes, it's because of those "aggressive and inflammatory views" from a small minority of users just expressing their "freedom of speech", that's why :-)
Or perhaps certain hostile Amiga users from AWN and Amigans suddenly start posting here, insulting users.
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@itix
if you encounter any insults or hostile actions, report it for a Moderator to review- thanks.
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@itix
if you encounter any insults or hostile actions, report it for a Moderator to review- thanks.
I have already reported moderator to Trevor.
Thanks.
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@akiko
Yes this is exactly what spurred me on to start the AmigaKit project a decade ago, resellers were closing left, right and centre so something had to be done quickly at the time.
Wow, has it really been 10 years? I remember back when you had just started and I was kind of disappointed that you were only selling hard drives and generic computer products that happened to be compatible with Amigas. The way you've grown the business, stimulated and sustained the market, and become a true Amiga retailer is an amazing achievement. Well done!
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Hope the mods are more up to the task than they used to be. I recall getting a vague, but fairly direct - threat of personal injury via PM towards myself by the C-USA camp when I had the audacity to question some of their practices.
Reported that and never heard back from a moderator.
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@itix
if you encounter any insults or hostile actions, report it for a Moderator to review- thanks.
But as I wrote earlier you are going to have great issue running this site in peace. Hyperion supporters want the site to go pro-OS4 and are acting like that. Hyperion supporters want you to sell more OS4 hardware to amiga.org users. This includes certain activist moderators who want you to succeed with OS4.
What users want here is clean separation with NG and non-NG stuff and accept the fact that hardcore Amigans are trashing NG Amiga (OS4, MorphOS, AROS).
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Hope the mods are more up to the task than they used to be. I recall getting a vague, but fairly direct - threat of personal injury via PM towards myself by the C-USA camp when I had the audacity to question some of their practices.
Reported that and never heard back from a moderator.
I have heard rumours they were fake accounts created by previous site owner.
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Hope the mods are more up to the task than they used to be. I recall getting a vague, but fairly direct - threat of personal injury via PM towards myself by the C-USA camp when I had the audacity to question some of their practices.
Reported that and never heard back from a moderator.
yeah, that's not gonna be allowed any more. :lol:
-- eliyahu
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@itix
I know, its not going to be easy.
Don't forget this is a primarily Classic Amiga forum (the common link with everyone here). So I think the emphasis will be on the Classic Amiga topics. This is still the biggest user base.
However, Amiga.org should be welcoming to MorphOS, AmigaOS 4, Emulation and AROS users too.
If we work together on raising the standards here, I think we will succeed.
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Or perhaps certain hostile Amiga users from AWN and Amigans suddenly start posting here,
Well if some one says some thing that is incorrect, then some one will disagree with that, some people don't want to sit back, and see incorrect information being spread.
As I see it a service to the once who are interested that they get correct information.
If its hostile to correct people who never used the product, when they say things that are wrong, then any OS4 user is potentially hostile to any lie.
insulting users.
If there are some one insulting users, then they will handled by the moderators, and it should not depend on what camp they belong to.
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Well if some one says some thing that is incorrect, then some one will disagree with that, some people don't want to sit back, and see incorrect information being spread.
As I see it a service to the once who are interested that they get correct information.
There are those who are accused of trolling by doing exactly this, although from their point of view they are enlightening potential customers to the shortcomings of the product.
The solution to the problem does not lie in some written rule, it lies in softening attitudes and reducing sensitivities to criticism.
What derails the thread: the single cirtical post, the dozens of over-sensitive reactions, or the combination of the two?
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@itix
I know, its not going to be easy.
Don't forget this is a primarily Classic Amiga forum (the common link with everyone here). So I think the emphasis will be on the Classic Amiga topics. This is still the biggest user base.
However, Amiga.org should be welcoming to MorphOS, AmigaOS 4, Emulation and AROS users too.
If we work together on raising the standards here, I think we will succeed.
A practical idea... why not create a "free speech" thread where people can discuss without heavy censoring. It could be off the main page and nobody is forced to read it if he do not like it (of course not insulting people like "xyz is a idiot/stupid" and so on
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A practical idea... why not create a "free speech" thread where people can discuss without heavy censoring. It could be off the main page and nobody is forced to read it if he do not like it (of course not insulting people like "xyz is a idiot/stupid" and so on
Funny you should mention that. It was tried at Amigaworld.
Guess what? No one used it, because they could not receive the same attention from posting on "back pages".
In fact, creating such a place and instructing people to GO there is the fastest way to stop a flamefest.
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There are those who are accused of trolling by doing exactly this, although from their point of view they are enlightening potential customers to the shortcomings of the product.
Nothing wrong whit that for example AmigaONE-XE/SE has hardware defects is true.
But to say Pegasus II, Sam series or X1000 is buggy is not true, they are good computers.
But if your trying to sell MorphOS to some one that was initial interested in AmigaOS4, then there is some thing wrong with that.
The solution to the problem does not lie in some written rule, it lies in softening attitudes and reducing sensitivities to criticism.
Criticism in it self is not wrong, it depends on how its used, some criticism can be good to improve things, user feedback often good criticism.
None user criticism that is incorrect and is repeated to spread FUD is not.
What derails the thread: the single cirtical post, the dozens of over-sensitive reactions, or the combination of the two?
That's way people should stay on topic in the first place.
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A practical idea... why not create a "free speech" thread where people can discuss without heavy censoring. It could be off the main page and nobody is forced to read it if he do not like it (of course not insulting people like "xyz is a idiot/stupid" and so on
Another option is defaulting to an expanded threaded view, where posts (and replies) can be collapsed/expanded according to the users wishes. Some +/- 'helpful post' voting system could be used to define which (if any) posts are collapsed by default.
That's about the only combination of 'I want my free speech' and 'I don't want to have to read that crap again' that I can think of.
Would that even work with Amiga browsers though?
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Sorry I have seen already the same the other way round. And if a former amiga-user shows f.e. on amigaworld he is vrtual surrounded by a huge crowd of people trying to persuade him to buy AmigaOS hardware. i think it is ok to at least mention that there are alternatives. Of course when you see that he has decided himself for AmigaOS you have to accept that and not trying to convince him that is wrong. But one time mentioning is ok for me. What do you think?
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Another option is defaulting to an expanded threaded view, where posts (and replies) can be collapsed according to the users wishes. Some +/- 'helpful post' voting system could be used to define which (if any) posts are collapsed by default.
That's about the only combination of 'I want my free speech' and 'I don't want to have to read that crap again' that I can think of.
It depends of the forum software
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It depends of the forum software
I remember in the past great efforts were made to keep the site compatible with Amiga browsers. What is this baseline in practical terms? What is the most 'advanced' browser on Amiga these days (did Netscape make it to 68K)?
Although in any case it would be pretty easy to offer a redirect to an Amiga-browser friendly site for older browsers, whilst offering a more modern site by default.
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I remember in the past great efforts were made to keep the site compatible with Amiga browsers. What is this baseline in practical terms? What is the most 'advanced' browser on Amiga these days (did Netscape make it to 68K)?
Although in any case it would be pretty easy to offer a redirect to an Amiga-browser friendly site for older browsers, whilst offering a more modern site by default.
I recall trying the main site on my A2000 under IBrowse a few weeks ago and had a lot of issues, however at the recommendation of a user here I tried it through a proxy (which stripped out some stuff), which worked perfectly. Sorry I'm not in front of my Miggy right now or I could give you exact details, but that seems the best way to add new features while maintaining compatibility with older systems.
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I recall trying the main site on my A2000 under IBrowse a few weeks ago and had a lot of issues, however at the recommendation of a user here I tried it through a proxy (which stripped out some stuff), which worked perfectly. Sorry I'm not in front of my Miggy right now or I could give you exact details, but that seems the best way to add new features while maintaining compatibility with older systems.
I still use iBrowse occasionally! Seem to have lost my keys (1.1, 2.x) somewhere along the way though. :)
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I have no issue with A-EON taking over Amiga.Org. Now only if they'd get rid of Bill McEwen and Amiga Inc, we'd be set to get ourselves there.
Good move by Trevor.
Also, on AmigaKit - I'd love to shop there for Amiga hardware - but admittedly the hardware selection of classic or Neo-Amigas is either nonexistent or way out of my price range. I'd love to mess with OS4, but I don't have the hardware to do it. Same for MorphOS, but I've used that before.
If A-EON could do more to promote open source (MIT/BSD/ISC-type licensed) work - such as helping the BSD community get BSD running on their hardware - I'd happily buy an X1000 when I had the cash.
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@amigakit
Why not support morphos on your store?. In many european countries 2nd hand ppc macs are still expensive and hard to find, refurbised ppc macs with expansion cards, hd... at good prices can be a good idea.
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@amigakit
Why not support morphos on your store?. In many european countries 2nd hand ppc macs are still expensive and hard to find, refurbised ppc macs with expansion cards, hd... at good prices can be a good idea.
For smaller systems like the iBook, PowerBook, or Mac Mini shopping in the US and shipping to Europe makes sense.
Many of my friends @ MorphZone.org do that.
I have two hi-res PowerBooks sitting on my coffee table right now that are due to be re-shipped overseas to a couple of people.
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What is the most 'advanced' browser on Amiga these days (did Netscape make it to 68K)?
its difficult to answer. surely ibrowse is still the most polished one as it is expectable for a commercial product, and quite fast but if you want css then there is sdl netsurf port by arti, and also aros owb, which alas must be run under aros68k. at least the later one is of questionable use for amiga at least for now but can be effectively used under emulation.
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@kickstart
We support MorphOS too. The wireless cards, USB joysticks, hard drives and keyboards, mice all are MorphOS compatible. We sold the Pegasos II motherboard and Efika until they were no longer available. We would sell a boxed version of MorphOS but the MOS Team wish to sell the product directly.
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@kickstart
We support MorphOS too. The wireless cards, USB joysticks, hard drives and keyboards, mice all are MorphOS compatible. We sold the Pegasos II motherboard and Efika until they were no longer available. We would sell a boxed version of MorphOS but the MOS Team wish to sell the product directly.
USB joysticks, hard drives, keyboards... this are just harware that runs on any existing machine on this planet, this is not MOS support, pegasos or efika yes but this is the past.
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selling mos ready tested macs might be some business, but if mos team doesnt like to enter agreement i dont think amigakit is obliged to support morphos in any way except an opportunity occurs.
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Congrats to A-EON and team, hope Amiga.org future is a little more secure now, I understand some peoples worries about freespeech and still being able to promote things that are kinda of in competition with OS4 or x1000 but I believe these guys are above board and will be fair with any Amiga topic. I just hope this make Amiga.org a bit more lively again.
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@amigakit
Why not support morphos on your store?. In many european countries 2nd hand ppc macs are still expensive and hard to find, refurbised ppc macs with expansion cards, hd... at good prices can be a good idea.
High risk of buying non-working/malfunctioning hardware when sourcing second hand;
High manpower-per-unit required to clean/service/test them prior to resale;
Lots of risk providing any kind of warranty with used hardware;
Paying postage twice (once at purchase, once at resale);
combined with:
People can pick them up for next to nothing on Ebay.
I've thought of doing it myself, but there's just no (or not enough) profit to be made.
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A-EON Techology Ltd (http://www.a-eon.com) is pleased to announce that is the new custodian of Amiga.org (http://www.amiga.org), the world's oldest and longest running English language Amiga community web forum.
A-EON acquired from the previous custodian, Bill Panagouleas of DiscreetFX, in an agreement which saw the transfer of the website and contents, the domain name together with all of the brands and rights including the official Facebook and Twitter accounts.
A-EON would like to thank Bill for his stewardship of Amiga.org over the past few years. Matthew Leaman, A-EON Managing Director, said of the purchase, "our acquistion of is part of our long term strategy to help support and expand the Amiga community. We are really excited by this development".
Outgoing custodian Bill Panagouleas added, "I enjoyed my experience and am pleased to place the stewardship in the excellent hands of true Amiga enthusiasts. Amiga.org is safe and secure with A-EON Technology Limited."
Trevor Dickinson, A-EON’s co-founder also commented, "speaking as an Amiga enthusiast, I am extremely proud to be associated with this great piece of Amiga history. Amiga.org is oldest Amiga web portal, serving the Amiga community since 1994. This year marks the 20th anniversary of its founding and with the help of the Amiga community, whether it be Classic, Next-Generation, Emulation or new Retro hardware we hope to make an essential resource for all Amiga related news and information. Here’s to the next 20 years!"
Full Press Release: http://a-eon.biz/PDF/News_Release_Amiga.org.pdf
Well good luck on bringing this mottley crew of Amiga.org back together again, who knows you might actually give these guys a direction to bring back the excitement of the Amiga computer, you have a long hard road with these guys because they can't and won't agree on anything.
You at least have something going, a designed computer that works, a bit expensive for my blood, but it is a start and something the Amiga commuinty desperately needed, all the other designs I looked at where of old vintage.
Once again good luck, wish you best in your endeavors with the Amiga computer.
We need the excitement back.
smerf
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this are just harware that runs on any existing machine on this planet
We have enough experience with MorphOS to know that not all USB Human Interface devices work with Poseidon. We have a few MorphOS machines in the office that do not work with selected USB keyboards, mice and mass storage devices. If a customer needs help recommended compatible hardware, we have the experience to advise them.
You missed out the wireless card that I mentioned. We can provide this with MorphOS drivers to users. Was this an oversight?
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@AmigaDave,
Oh no,
They made you a moderator, the blind truly are leading the blind, tell me did you ever get a real computer or are you still using that Big Blue.
I just can not believe this AmigaDave as a Moderator, what will Amiga Org think of next?
smerf
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Historically, One of the most popular ways to get threads *quickly removed out of people's sight*, was to have a few controlled people posting several Off Topic posts in a thread. This rendered a "valid" reason for a moderator to remove the thread altogether as "off topic".
"could you at least choose a more stylish one?" *IS* off topic. And this could render moderators as "Amigadave" to delete..., well, whatever in the thread, according to his perceived view of... well, maybe "decency"? Fairness?
Maybe this was your intention?
/me putting on a *thicker* tin foil hat, the last one obviously didn't work!
I think hubcaps look good on cars to, but only if it is a Chevy. Did you ever notice when people talk about Fords, they start referring to Plymouths and if a Corvette is fast what does that make a Mustang?
and besides
I like chocolate cookies too!!
smerf
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@TreverD,
Wow U R IN charge, and we really appreciate your enthusiasim. Have fun with the loonies and don't forget to smile.
smerf
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Well, I, for one, welcome our new Amiga.org overlords! :)
I have done some business with Amigakit, and have had nothing but excellent service from them. I look forward to some more life in these dusty halls.
Onward, and upward!
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I too have had nothing but good experiences from Amigakit. If it means the board continues to thrive then it's all good.
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But as I wrote earlier you are going to have great issue running this site in peace. Hyperion supporters want the site to go pro-OS4 and are acting like that. Hyperion supporters want you to sell more OS4 hardware to amiga.org users. This includes certain activist moderators who want you to succeed with OS4.
What users want here is clean separation with NG and non-NG stuff and accept the fact that hardcore Amigans are trashing NG Amiga (OS4, MorphOS, AROS).
@itex
"user here" Please speak for yourself. I want all the amiga flavors.
since jan86 I still have my A1000, and I also am the only morph guy in SACC
and I have eyetech G4 with os4.1.6
M
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Someone was asking where the 50 Latest Posts link had vanished to from the front page.
http://Amiga.org/index.php?pageid=50latest
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As I said, your tax laws may vary. Mine allow me to write off operating expenses on assets and materials.
Yes you can write off operating expenses, but only on the business expenses like the hosting & not the purchasing. And you still have to pay them, you just don't have to pay the 20% corporation tax on the money that you earned to pay the bills. If you're VAT registered then you can claim the 20% VAT back on the hosting, so you save a bit there.
If you work from home and your company pays for your internet bill then you can save the income tax on that too.
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Disappointing to see that the Amiga community, even as it shrinks to the point of oblivion, is still infighting.
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Disappointing to see that the Amiga community, even as it shrinks to the point of oblivion, is still infighting.
Only here!!
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Only here!!
unfortunately true in the past but hopefully that stigma will change with new owners on board
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Disappointing to see that the Amiga community, even as it shrinks to the point of oblivion, is still infighting.
(http://www.geekspeakmagazine.com/archive/issue9/images/features/spacerace/Let_That_Be_Your_Last_Battlefield.jpg)