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Title: Lotus 2 II and Lotus 3 III A1200 Fixed Version
Post by: mattsell on August 30, 2005, 11:17:11 AM
I have been looking everywhere for an A1200 version of Lotus 2 and 3. All the .adf's I've found are the A500 version and the Whdload version is the same, this is fine for Lotus 2 but Lotus 3 is the problem. In 2 player, Lotus 3 runs slower and the track looks like it goes backwards.

I know that Magnetic Fields created an A1200 fixed version for these two games because, way back when, I bought Lotus Triolgy and sent the disks back to Gremlin to get the A1200 versions.

A1200 fixed version of lotus 3, is the one I really need, the game runs the same speed in 2 player as in 1 player mode - smooth track/frame update.

Please, please someone help, I don't mind ADF, copies or originals.

Please get in contact with me, thanks.
Title: Re: Lotus 2 II and Lotus 3 III A1200 Fixed Version
Post by: clebin on August 30, 2005, 02:17:46 PM

Very few people have played this version or know what it is.

It doesn't seem like Gremlin ever released it, except to people who sent their disks to them by post.

If the framerate is lower than 1 player mode, or lower than Lotus 1/2, then you haven't got it! If you're not sure, try playing 1 then 2 player for comparison.

It definitely needs to be tracked down. Full-speed Lotus 3 is fantastic!

Chris
Title: Re: Lotus 2 II and Lotus 3 III A1200 Fixed Version
Post by: Orjan on August 30, 2005, 02:29:19 PM

Is the CD32 version of Lotus trilogy the "fixed" one, or the original?
Title: Re: Lotus 2 II and Lotus 3 III A1200 Fixed Version
Post by: mattsell on August 30, 2005, 03:02:50 PM
Not sure, but I know you need a CD32 Joypad to play it (and a CD32 Emulator I believe).

Clebin --> Glad you remember it too, what a great version it was, much improved. Shame you haven't got it either.

To add to Clebins point you will know you have the 1200 version if it loads on an A1200 with just the disks, The original A500 version just crashes.
Title: Re: Lotus 2 II and Lotus 3 III A1200 Fixed Version
Post by: Leifern on November 09, 2005, 06:41:23 PM
Has anyone had any luck with this "Amiga1200 fixed Lotus 2&3"??

I was just playing Lotus 3 on my 1200 with a friend and i must say it runs unplayably slow on some tracks (damn shame).

But it's a great game, so please keep us informed!!
Title: Re: Lotus 2 II and Lotus 3 III A1200 Fixed Version
Post by: Digiman on October 09, 2011, 03:26:14 AM
The fix for AGA doesn't work on the Krypt cracks for me, anyone got a Lotus II ADF that works on an A1200?
Title: Re: Lotus 2 II and Lotus 3 III A1200 Fixed Version
Post by: HotRod on October 09, 2011, 03:57:43 AM
Quote from: mattsell;202378
Not sure, but I know you need a CD32 Joypad to play it (and a CD32 Emulator I believe).


I played the CD32 version on my a4k ages ago but I know that it worked using a joystick.
Title: Re: Lotus 2 II and Lotus 3 III A1200 Fixed Version
Post by: Kesa on October 09, 2011, 04:01:08 AM
Quote from: mattsell;202378
Not sure, but I know you need a CD32 Joypad to play it (and a CD32 Emulator I believe).

Clebin --> Glad you remember it too, what a great version it was, much improved. Shame you haven't got it either.

To add to Clebins point you will know you have the 1200 version if it loads on an A1200 with just the disks, The original A500 version just crashes.

I think the game works fine with just a joystick as it only uses one button?  :confused:

I have never heard of the AGA fixed version before. What's the difference? This is interesting...
Title: Re: Lotus 2 II and Lotus 3 III A1200 Fixed Version
Post by: Digiman on October 09, 2011, 12:46:00 PM
Quote from: Kesa;662997
I think the game works fine with just a joystick as it only uses one button?  :confused:

I have never heard of the AGA fixed version before. What's the difference? This is interesting...


Fixed = stops it crashing on AGA. No speed improvement for Lotus II. Play Lotus II on any NTSC Amiga for faster game than PAL :)

Can't find a working fix for Lotus 3, the most important because that's very much slower screen update on A500 etc but AGA version should be as smooth and fast as CD32 & PC version.
Title: Re: Lotus 2 II and Lotus 3 III A1200 Fixed Version
Post by: Digiman on October 10, 2011, 04:58:45 PM
So no AGA fixed Lotus 3 disks used by anyone here....
Title: Re: Lotus 2 II and Lotus 3 III A1200 Fixed Version
Post by: LaserBack on October 10, 2011, 06:42:01 PM
Quote from: mattsell;202348
I have been looking everywhere for an A1200 version of Lotus 2 and 3. All the .adf's I've found are the A500 version and the Whdload version is the same, this is fine for Lotus 2 but Lotus 3 is the problem. In 2 player, Lotus 3 runs slower and the track looks like it goes backwards.

I know that Magnetic Fields created an A1200 fixed version for these two games because, way back when, I bought Lotus Triolgy and sent the disks back to Gremlin to get the A1200 versions.

A1200 fixed version of lotus 3, is the one I really need, the game runs the same speed in 2 player as in 1 player mode - smooth track/frame update.

Please, please someone help, I don't mind ADF, copies or originals.

Please get in contact with me, thanks.


lotus 3 AGA fixed or a special disk version for the A1200 does not exists
The best you can do is play Lotustrilogy where Lotus 3 have been enhanced and is lot faster and smoother than the original

also I have LOTUS 2 AGA fixed...it was a fix done in 1998 but is for hardisk... maybe can be onedisked
Title: Re: Lotus 2 II and Lotus 3 III A1200 Fixed Version
Post by: Digiman on October 10, 2011, 06:50:06 PM
The cracked ADF with AGA fix in he Tosec for Lotus2 works fine for 14nhz 020 A1200 but not 030/040/060 CPU so only for standard A1200. Lotus 3 fix for AGA doesn't work.

How do I play the CD32 trilogy on A1200? It only boots on CD32 no other Amiga +CD system like A1200 + Zappo + CD32 boot disk for CD32 CDs as tested by AF and CU Amiga mags. Are there CD32 ADFs somewhere without CDDA music just SFX etc?

Lotus 3 is the problem, ECS version is like Atari ST Lotus 2 screen update :(
Title: Re: Lotus 2 II and Lotus 3 III A1200 Fixed Version
Post by: LaserBack on October 10, 2011, 07:10:13 PM
Quote from: Digiman;663140


How do I play the CD32 trilogy on A1200? It only boots on CD32 no other Amiga +CD system like A1200 + Zappo + CD32 boot disk for CD32 CDs as tested by AF and CU Amiga mags. Are there CD32 ADFs somewhere without CDDA music just SFX etc?
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there is hardisk version of lotus trilogy ready to be played from hardisk done long time ago by the ancient pirates
the file is named Lotustri.lha
I have it in an old cd but the cd is damaged
also you can found the file in a compilation done in the era
check

http://www.angelfire.com/scifi/thepage/UA_01.TXT

and sorry but I havent that compilation if you can found it anywhere PM
Title: Re: Lotus 2 II and Lotus 3 III A1200 Fixed Version
Post by: Ilwrath on October 10, 2011, 07:20:55 PM
holy thread resurrections, this thing is ancient.

Anyhow, as far as I know, the correct answer is there isn't any difference between the AGA fixed version on disk that Magnetic Bytes shipped and the one on the CD32 Lotus Trilogy.  I seem to remember playing the CD32 version on my A1200 without doing anything unusual for the time.  (Maybe booting the 1200 with no startup script and assigning libs to a directory containing the A1200 version of lowlevel.library and nonvolatile.library or something before running the CD's startup-sequence, but that was it.  A really old trick that boots most CD32 games on an A1200.)
Title: Re: Lotus 2 II and Lotus 3 III A1200 Fixed Version
Post by: LaserBack on October 10, 2011, 08:31:33 PM
Quote from: Ilwrath;663145
holy thread resurrections, this thing is ancient.

Anyhow, as far as I know, the correct answer is there isn't any difference between the AGA fixed version on disk that Magnetic Bytes shipped and the one on the CD32 Lotus Trilogy.  I seem to remember playing the CD32 version on my A1200 without doing anything unusual for the time.  (Maybe booting the 1200 with no startup script and assigning libs to a directory containing the A1200 version of lowlevel.library and nonvolatile.library or something before running the CD's startup-sequence, but that was it.  A really old trick that boots most CD32 games on an A1200.)


you are wrong
lotus trilogy cd32 version do not works in a easy way like you said
I just tested it the version which I downloaded from emuparadise...black screen
it needs a hardisk fix
Title: Re: Lotus 2 II and Lotus 3 III A1200 Fixed Version
Post by: Digiman on October 10, 2011, 09:00:41 PM
Amiga Format couldn't get it to work either, apparently it needs every last byte of chipmem when booting.

I am sure there was a cracked copy of the CD32 version on floppy, and it wasn't the only game from CD32 put on disk among all the pirate games on the market stall.
Title: Re: Lotus 2 II and Lotus 3 III A1200 Fixed Version
Post by: AmigaTuga on October 13, 2011, 01:05:00 AM
Hi friend, do you have an hard disk on your Amiga 1200? If you do so, try to download it here www.whdownload.com (http://www.whdownload.com)  .
they have pre-installed games including the lotus. hope that help you out...
Title: Re: Lotus 2 II and Lotus 3 III A1200 Fixed Version
Post by: AmigaTuga on October 13, 2011, 01:13:18 AM
Hi Friend, try to download it here www.whdownload.com (http://www.whdownload.com) they have pre installed games including the mighty lotus.
hope that help you out...
Title: Re: Lotus 2 II and Lotus 3 III A1200 Fixed Version
Post by: LaserBack on October 14, 2011, 07:17:13 PM
Quote from: Digiman;663157
Amiga Format couldn't get it to work either, apparently it needs every last byte of chipmem when booting.

.


it is not a chipmem issue....
I tested it on winuae and 8mb chipmem config and it does not works also
Title: Re: Lotus 2 II and Lotus 3 III A1200 Fixed Version
Post by: Kesa on October 14, 2011, 11:22:46 PM
Quote from: Digiman;663157
Amiga Format couldn't get it to work either, apparently it needs every last byte of chipmem when booting.

I am sure there was a cracked copy of the CD32 version on floppy, and it wasn't the only game from CD32 put on disk among all the pirate games on the market stall.

Really? So how did they get past the "cd quality" music and sound? Too big for floppies i reckon...   :confused:

Also how many floppies would the trilogy use up? I know that Lotus 3 used 3 so I'm guessing 5 or 6?
Title: Re: Lotus 2 II and Lotus 3 III A1200 Fixed Version
Post by: LaserBack on October 16, 2011, 06:10:23 AM
Quote from: Kesa;663557
Really? So how did they get past the "cd quality" music and sound? Too big for floppies i reckon...   :confused:

Also how many floppies would the trilogy use up? I know that Lotus 3 used 3 so I'm guessing 5 or 6?


cd music is only for lotus 3...but the cd tracks are almost identical to chip tunes
even is not well done cause you can't play the game with engine noise+music...sincerely I don't know why
I had the cracked hardisk version of lotus trilogy and worked very fine and features chip tunes for lotus 3......however that version it is lost...it seems that today nobody have it....
...not on tosec not on eab file server
Title: Re: Lotus 2 II and Lotus 3 III A1200 Fixed Version
Post by: mattsell on January 26, 2013, 09:14:48 AM
Its been a long time since I opened this thread!

I now have an original version of Lotus 3 fixed for A1200 (no AGA grahpics of course). It comes on 2 disks.

Framerate update is much better than any whdload version I can find in 2 players.

Is it easy to make adf disks from the originals. Anyone point me to a tutorial so I might be able to do it?
Title: Re: Lotus 2 II and Lotus 3 III A1200 Fixed Version
Post by: som99 on January 26, 2013, 10:05:47 AM
Quote from: mattsell;724081
Its been a long time since I opened this thread!

I now have an original version of Lotus 3 fixed for A1200 (no AGA grahpics of course). It comes on 2 disks.

Framerate update is much better than any whdload version I can find in 2 players.

Is it easy to make adf disks from the originals. Anyone point me to a tutorial so I might be able to do it?

Download TSGui and make ADF's of it.

http://aminet.net/disk/misc/tsgui.lha

Be sure to write protect your floppies so you don't make an mistake and write over your disks :)

Edit: I looked trough my files and I have ADF's of Lotus 1,2 and 3 AGA fixed cracked versions if anyone is interested :)
Title: Re: Lotus 2 II and Lotus 3 III A1200 Fixed Version
Post by: Lizard on January 26, 2013, 10:45:31 AM
I think I should have the lotus trilogy somewhere...
Title: Re: Lotus 2 II and Lotus 3 III A1200 Fixed Version
Post by: carvedeye on January 26, 2013, 11:02:02 AM
Quote from: som99;724091
Download TSGui and make ADF's of it.

http://aminet.net/disk/misc/tsgui.lha

Be sure to write protect your floppies so you don't make an mistake and write over your disks :)

Edit: I looked trough my files and I have ADF's of Lotus 1,2 and 3 AGA fixed cracked versions if anyone is interested :)


Very interested :)
Title: Re: Lotus 2 II and Lotus 3 III A1200 Fixed Version
Post by: Kesa on January 26, 2013, 11:22:18 AM
Yep me too.
Title: Re: Lotus 2 II and Lotus 3 III A1200 Fixed Version
Post by: som99 on January 26, 2013, 12:26:36 PM
I put up Lotus 1-3 AGA fixed ADF's and also the CD32 ADF rips on my file server for you all to download :)

Download at -> http://www.som99.nu
Title: Re: Lotus 2 II and Lotus 3 III A1200 Fixed Version
Post by: Robert1234 on January 26, 2013, 01:00:46 PM
Quote from: som99;724107
I put up Lotus 1-3 AGA fixed ADF's and also the CD32 ADF rips on my file server for you all to download :)

Download at -> http://www.som99.nu


Hey Som99, there are two ADF's named Lotus 3 Disk 1 of 2. Is it a mistake in file name or invalid file?

Edit: Unfortunately this version of Lotus 2 and 3 hangs on loading on my Amiga 1200 regardless of turbo card turned on or off. :(
Title: Re: Lotus 2 II and Lotus 3 III A1200 Fixed Version
Post by: som99 on January 26, 2013, 01:57:19 PM
Quote from: Robert1234;724111
Hey Som99, there are two ADF's named Lotus 3 Disk 1 of 2. Is it a mistake in file name or invalid file?

Edit: Unfortunately this version of Lotus 2 and 3 hangs on loading on my Amiga 1200 regardless of turbo card turned on or off. :(

Missed the second ADF, I am at work atm so I can't do anything until tomorrow, but any second disk will work.

Strange that it hangs, I will dig into what could be the reason tomorrow with my A1200 and report back.
What kickstart do you have? What software did you use to write the ADF s to floppy? I only use TSGui.
Also did you try the CD32 floppies?
Title: Re: Lotus 2 II and Lotus 3 III A1200 Fixed Version
Post by: Robert1234 on January 26, 2013, 03:25:27 PM
Quote from: som99;724115
Missed the second ADF, I am at work atm so I can't do anything until tomorrow, but any second disk will work.

Strange that it hangs, I will dig into what could be the reason tomorrow with my A1200 and report back.
What kickstart do you have? What software did you use to write the ADF s to floppy? I only use TSGui.
Also did you try the CD32 floppies?


I've got KS 3.1. To write ADF I used an old program for writing DOS files to Floppy Disk called "TrackDOS" (from Fred Fish disk), because I didn't have "adf2disk" at the moment. But I'm sure it wrote the ADF to disk correctly because once I booted from Lotus 2 disk the cracktro from "The Company" appeared, but then, when I clicked mouse button, after few seconds the led on the floppy disk drive remain lit still, but the motor stopped. It behaves the same if I disable my Blizzard 1260.

I didn't check the Lotus Trilogy floppies yet.
Title: Re: Lotus 2 II and Lotus 3 III A1200 Fixed Version
Post by: Robert1234 on January 26, 2013, 04:19:09 PM
My Floppy Drive in that Amiga 1200 can be a case. I tried to run "Benefactor" from floppy and it hangs too, while it shouldn't. I'll try to test with other floppy drive as soon as I have opportunity.
Title: Re: Lotus 2 II and Lotus 3 III A1200 Fixed Version
Post by: som99 on January 26, 2013, 04:34:23 PM
Well I was going to suggest that. Since I've had the same kind of behavior both on faulty writes and on worn out floppies and floppy drives that games do not go past the cracktro.

Try another floppy drive and download TSGui from aminet and report back :)
Title: Re: Lotus 2 II and Lotus 3 III A1200 Fixed Version
Post by: tekopaa on January 28, 2013, 07:26:21 PM
Amiga Island has Lotus Trilogy HD preinstalled with FIX dont know what fix it is?
Title: Re: Lotus 2 II and Lotus 3 III A1200 Fixed Version
Post by: mattsell on January 28, 2013, 07:59:59 PM
Many thanks for the uploads. I will try them when I can probably not for the next 2 weeks as its a bit busy . Will also try to make a whdload version as well because the version I have is A500 slow scrolling 2 player.

I'm hoping these disk work it will be brill.
Title: Re: Lotus 2 II and Lotus 3 III A1200 Fixed Version
Post by: Ancalimon on August 29, 2014, 01:33:03 AM
Umm. Where can I find the version that plays faster with two players on same screen? :)  Is the a whdload of it?
Title: Re: Lotus 2 II and Lotus 3 III A1200 Fixed Version
Post by: Ancalimon on January 20, 2017, 07:13:15 PM
Anyone?