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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Gaming => Topic started by: Blomberg on February 17, 2003, 03:32:07 PM
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Just heard about this upcoming game from the good people at 2015 (http://www.2015.com).
It's a first person shooter based on the Vietnam war (duh!) and made by the fabulous 2015 team, who created Medal Of Honor: Allied Assault.
Won't be out until 2004, though :-(
Read the press release here (http://www.vugames.com/vug/news_story.do?storyId=55) and for screenshots go here. (http://www.movhc.com/index.php?module=My_eGallery&do=showgall&gid=2)
I can't wait to see something new from these guys, after EA screwed up any chance of a successful continuation of MOHAA by firing 2015 and releasing Spearhead (MOHAA Expansion Pack), a buggy, n00bish and way overpriced heap of dung.
Now, something like *this* for OS4 would be killer :-P
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Looks quite nice, long wait though but could be worth it with the old MOH team behind it.
Now, something like *this* for OS4 would be killer
My thoughts exactly
There is another game of the same genre about to be released called Vietcong (http://www.vietcong-game.com/)
Multiplayer demo is available, it's not bad.
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Cool...do you get to massacre the innocent villagers of Mai Lai? Or to use Geneva convention banned flechette weapons on civilians? Or destroy a rainforest using experimental defoliants laced with dioxin just because your troops are ill-trained conscripts who can't fight their way out of a wet paper bag?
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Calen wrote:
There is another game of the same genre about to be released called Vietcong (http://www.vietcong-game.com/)
Multiplayer demo is available, it's not bad.
I have the Vietcong demo, though I can't really say that I like it very much. I'm not into tactical stuff, which is what most wargames are now, unfortunately. Call me simple, but I prefer not to have to worry about formations and controlling a whole squad etc.
What has got me hooked on MOHAA, as opposed to Quake or whatever other FPS (I can't be arsed to fight monsters and superheroes and whatnot) is the atmosphere of it, you really feel like you're there in the 40's with your M1 Garand, a few nades and a Colt .45 among your "band of brothers", I hope they do the same with Men Of Valor.
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Why not make a game like it.. Call it Revenge and make it take place in Irak og Afghanistan
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Will it run on my Duron 650? :-D
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Will it run on my Duron 650?
If you partner it with a Radeon 9900 and 1GB of ram.. then probably ;-)
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Hehe When I started playing MOH:Frontline, I said it would be cool to make a Vietnam game. Though in a way it isn`t cool at all. Still a be uncomfortably close for somepeople, if you get what I mean.
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There are those of us who consider Vietnam to be the final betrayal of the citizens of this country.
We were not in support of this gastly beast. Our leaders knew what was best however. And now we are still paying the price for that humilating display of military power.
There is nothing "Valorous" about Vietnam. It was a sin against humanity.
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game look sweet...no chance of seeing it on Amiga/Morph though.
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As long as they allow the player to kill anything that moves it will be a good game.
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Yeah and in that respect it won't be like Vietnam.
Maybe they could make a politician mode! I'll let the Socialists take over from here, they are the best at playing bureucratic war games...
NO... (grunt)
Must... (avert glace)
Resist... (grunt)
Urge...
to talk politics...
in forums... (sigh)
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That's pretty sick, really. I wouldn't want the new Amiga to try and use this sort of game as a selling point.
WWII games are one thing, as it is further in the past, and was a more straight forward "good" against "evil" fight. Vietnam was a horrific war that massacred hundreds of thousands of vietnamese and many many young American conscripts, and a war which most people now realise to be utterly futile. It's going to be hard for a game to portray that one sensitively or realistically (unless the last few missions consist of you frantically running away).
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@Cluke
I agree although not with your point about WWII. Time doesn't diminish the horror and travesty of war. Regardless of when a battle took place, it's still morally repugnant to dish it up as entertainment.
I'm getting a little sick and tired of developers abandoning all moral reason and cashing in on humanity's darkest hours for the sake of "entertainment". Even more depressing is the vast number of willing purchasers for such muck. Can someone please tell me what exactly is so fantastic about "killing everything that moves"? And please, nobody try to use the highly insulting argument that these are anti-war games. They're nothing of the kind. They're all out gore-fests which show all of the brutailty of combat but none of the real-life consequences. You don't get three lives in the real world.
Thousands of innocent people died on both sides of the Vietnam war - this was less than forty years ago. There was nothing remotely entertaining about it.
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Yes the game will have some cool equipment, and the possibility of airstrikes (probably), but
as people have been saying it wasn`t a very clean war. Not that WWII was, but Vietnam was just
chaos. Drugged up Americans with M16s against civilians arms with kitchen knives and soup bowl. I`m
not sure I want this game.
I like realism in games, but if this were realistic it would be disgusting.I bet the Americans win in the end.
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another overused game concept hits the developers, why cant they just focus on pLaybility? , sure i havent seen it and it might be good....but i dont expect it to be, all theese new fps games makes me sick, its like in 93 when we all was sooooooooo damned sick over thoose plattformers.
sure i like the idea of total intaeractive player in the field, but hahaha when was war actually fun? i mean in the realistic way?
fast and furios action has always been my catagory, like uT for 1 example...i never grow sick of that game , kinda weird really but i guess it has alot to do with great level designs and superb playbility, Ut2003 wasnt as good ;(
ah well i think i am too old for the new games anyway, i like em abit simple and fast....not slow and good looking.
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Careful now, don't mention the "s" word, or your phone will start having funny clicks when you phone your friends...
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kennyr:lol :) , is that what the sound is+? ... infact i have two of em....does that make em double the danger? :)
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Uhoh...! The CIA might think your groceries are code for some Communist/Terrorist plan to take over the world and have you assassinated!
Either that or you might have a dodgy phone line. But that's unlikely.
Big Brother is watching. ;-)
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Wouldn't this (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/vietnam/trenches/mylai.html) be a cool WAD for it?
(Disclaimer: This link it not to a game wad, but to a historical site which contains disturbing pictures not suitable for those of a sensitive nature! You have been warned!)
(Sorry people, but I'm gonna hammer this into you whether you like it or not - War is hell, not a computer game.)
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im still playing mafia which is good even if it is full of bugs im getting to the stage now that once you have seen one fps game you have seen them all.
@paul gadd
nice avatar and have you filled in the petion thats online against ntl .
dont pay ntl site (http://www.dont-pay-ntl.co.uk/) :-D :-D :-D
ntl petition (http://www.petitiononline.com/NTL/petition.html)
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FPS's are all about killer graphics... noone is sick of them... the public eats them up and asks for more... look the anticipation of Doom3? or UT2003?...
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@amigamad
nice avatar and have you filled in the petion thats online against ntl
Yes, those bastards should not get away with advertsing broadband like the way they do,
UNLIMITED? more like LIMITED,
As for this talk about games, games sell hardware, if Amiga had a fraction of games today (not 90s ports) people would be buying Amiga hardware.
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Hey guys,
So they're making a game called Men of Valour? Are they sure they got the right war?!? ;-)
Anyway, I'm a Battlefield 1942 addict which I think stomps all over MOH. There's really nothing like swooping down with a light bomber and taking out an enemy tank on Wake Island or smashing through enemy lines with a Panzer IV in Tabruk or paratrooping down behind enemy lines in Market Garden or machine gunning endless beach stormers on Omaha Beach... And the best part is that every other player is an actual human player online so you can coordinate attacks, call in artillery or air support, scream out for medics when you're hurt or rush to assist others with your bazooka. Sometimes I get a kick out of just laying mine fields on bridges, other times I like to snipe plane campers or torpedo battleships.... It's great fun!!!
I do sometimes sit back and think of what this game is really about.... Is it right to make games that turn real life events of death and destruction into entertainment? Does it trivialize the misery that those people went through? Probably, I'd feel weird playing this game infront of a WWII vet, especially if they were at one of the main battles that a game like BF1942 tries to recreate. Luckily most WWII vets are dead or dieing. Vietnam vets are still around and thus might be more likely to complain - but then again they're probably used to being kicked around and treated like ####.
I do however wonder what people would think if I made a 9/11 simulator? It's just a game right? It's just entertainment isn't it? Somehow I don't think that would go over very well. Oh well, I'll just stick with BF1942 and not worry about it...
- Mike
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Yes the game will have some cool equipment, and the possibility of airstrikes (probably), but
as people have been saying it wasn`t a very clean war. Not that WWII was, but Vietnam was just
chaos. Drugged up Americans with M16s against civilians arms with kitchen knives and soup bowl. I`m
not sure I want this game.
Who knows, perhaps you get to run around as a gook, hiding out in rice fields waiting for the GI's to come and kill you?
- Mike
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machinehead wrote:
There are those of us who consider Vietnam to be the final betrayal of the citizens of this country.
We were not in support of this gastly beast. Our leaders knew what was best however. And now we are still paying the price for that humilating display of military power.
There is nothing "Valorous" about Vietnam. It was a sin against humanity.
Well said. However, I can't help enjoying movies and games like Platoon.
Classics.
"You are number 6." "I am not a number, I am a free man!"
-I know that one, it's "The Prisoner" from the year 1982 !!!
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Platoon is a classic film. Thing about that film is that the Americans don`t really come out on top. I`m betting the game will make the leading character some kind of super-hero, and give the impression that America was doing right and that they sort of won, though they didn`t.