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Title: IGN is suing Sony over the removal of Linux
Post by: ElPolloDiabl on April 30, 2010, 08:23:43 AM
IGN is suing Sony for removing Linux support on the Playstation 3:

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/PlayStation-Linux-PS3-Xbox-Xbox-360,10311.html (http://www.tomshardware.com/news/PlayStation-Linux-PS3-Xbox-Xbox-360,10311.html)

About time someone gave it to Sony.
Title: Re: IGN is suing Sony over the removal of Linux
Post by: koshman on April 30, 2010, 08:51:22 AM
Now that is some interesting and unexpected news...
Title: Re: IGN is suing Sony over the removal of Linux
Post by: haywirepc on April 30, 2010, 10:23:36 AM
I think thats great news. You can't sell someone something with a set of features and then take those features back without offering a refund or partial refund at least. Many people bought the ps3 instead of xbox BECAUSE it supported linux.
 
They can't just take back features like that, its immoral and probably illegal.
 
Its like buying a 4 wheel drive truck and then the car company just disabling 4 wheel drive a year after you buy the car, its just wrong.
 
I hope they get slammed in court for millions, or get forced to reinstate those features, that would be a better outcome.
 
Steven
Title: Re: IGN is suing Sony over the removal of Linux
Post by: Fisketryne on April 30, 2010, 11:25:15 AM
People suing each other over silly amounts of money in the US often gets big laughs here in Norway. But this one sounds reasonable.
Title: Re: IGN is suing Sony over the removal of Linux
Post by: skurk on April 30, 2010, 11:30:45 AM
Quote from: Fisketryne;555960
People suing each other over silly amounts of money in the US often gets big laughs here in Norway. But this one sounds reasonable.

There are good cases and bad cases.

This one, for example, ended in a settlement (http://articles.latimes.com/2008/feb/28/local/me-smack28) :-)

(http://i.imgur.com/aY0sQ.gif)

Edit: Oh, the Youtube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GmkaT4KYYs) video is even better.  Priceless.
Title: Re: IGN is suing Sony over the removal of Linux
Post by: Amiga_Nut on April 30, 2010, 11:36:07 AM
Had they just made 'Other OS' option not available for the new PS3 slim at the start that would be fine, but to remove it without any way of preventing it is a bit out of order I agree. Whether it is due to piracy being made easier with Linux on PS3 (ie BluRay movie ripping) I don't know.

What you have to remember is they make a loss on the hardware, and people who buy the machine to run Linux will probably buy one game, and some scientific institutes bought them to run complex calculations on CELL and that's it.

Thing is people buy the cheap and tacky, noisy as hell 360 and then pay for a crappy limited to 24 maximum players  online service and nobody complains...why? Is it the same idiots who can't see what a piece of $hit Windows, the dirty profits of which made them rich enough to burn 100s of millions on the xbox1 project just to get a foothold in the market.

There are better things to complain about, like why there is no justice in the USA and hence forcing Microsoft to give away it's pathetic OS FREE for at least 25 years more. I bet if it was a Japanese company that screwed everyone but didn't make tax dollars for the ailing economy there would be a lot more fuss kicked up ;)
Title: Re: IGN is suing Sony over the removal of Linux
Post by: jj on April 30, 2010, 01:06:42 PM
Quote from: Amiga_Nut;555962
Had they just made 'Other OS' option not available for the new PS3 slim at the start that would be fine, but to remove it without any way of preventing it is a bit out of order I agree. Whether it is due to piracy being made easier with Linux on PS3 (ie BluRay movie ripping) I don't know.
 
What you have to remember is they make a loss on the hardware, and people who buy the machine to run Linux will probably buy one game, and some scientific institutes bought them to run complex calculations on CELL and that's it.
 
Thing is people buy the cheap and tacky, noisy as hell 360 and then pay for a crappy limited to 24 maximum players online service and nobody complains...why? Is it the same idiots who can't see what a piece of $hit Windows, the dirty profits of which made them rich enough to burn 100s of millions on the xbox1 project just to get a foothold in the market.
 
There are better things to complain about, like why there is no justice in the USA and hence forcing Microsoft to give away it's pathetic OS FREE for at least 25 years more. I bet if it was a Japanese company that screwed everyone but didn't make tax dollars for the ailing economy there would be a lot more fuss kicked up ;)

Pretty impressive, so much sh1t spoken in one post
Title: Re: IGN is suing Sony over the removal of Linux
Post by: outlawal2 on April 30, 2010, 01:21:09 PM
Quote from: JJ;555982
Pretty impressive, so much sh1t spoken in one post


+1...  
What a crock of oppressive S**T that entire response was..
Title: Re: IGN is suing Sony over the removal of Linux
Post by: tokyoracer on April 30, 2010, 01:28:36 PM
Quote from: outlawal2;555984
+1...  
What a crock of oppressive S**T that entire response was..
I 3rd that. Typical M$ bashing. . .

Though at first this topic seemed totally ridiculous but I do remember Sony advertising OS support, but when they put a stop to that I totally forgot that was actually an official selling point not so long ago.
Though Sony usually wins all the time when it comes to court actions so i'm not expecting a good outcome from this. But even when they lose they still win thanks to their stacks. Since Sony (I would think anyway) are a damn sight richer then IGN they may turn back and keep pressing charges on them, apparently in the US it costs money to sue, IGN could end up bankrupt.

Anyone remember the Bleemcast scandal?
Title: Re: IGN is suing Sony over the removal of Linux
Post by: jkirk on April 30, 2010, 01:34:33 PM
Quote from: Amiga_Nut;555962
Had they just made 'Other OS' option not available for the new PS3 slim at the start that would be fine, but to remove it without any way of preventing it is a bit out of order I agree. Whether it is due to piracy being made easier with Linux on PS3 (ie BluRay movie ripping) I don't know.

i think you mean ps3 fat.  ps3 slim never had the other os option.

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What you have to remember is they make a loss on the hardware, and people who buy the machine to run Linux will probably buy one game, and some scientific institutes bought them to run complex calculations on CELL and that's it.
uh all console companies do this. remember the xbox fiasco? people were buying the heck out of them(at a loss for ms) just for htpc apps and as a cheap computer. i even remember on some amiga sites the ms haters openly promoting this just to make ms lose money.
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=15299&forum=17#219911
not one of the harsh ones but the first i found.
the popular htpc app was
http://www.productwiki.com/microsoft-xbox/article/how-to-go-from-xbox-to-xbox-media-center-in-30-minutes.html

 they went ppc on the 360 to stop that.

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Thing is people buy the cheap and tacky, noisy as hell 360 and then pay for a crappy limited to 24 maximum players  online service and nobody complains...why? Is it the same idiots who can't see what a piece of $hit Windows, the dirty profits of which made them rich enough to burn 100s of millions on the xbox1 project just to get a foothold in the market.
ms bashing at it's best(or worst)

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There are better things to complain about, like why there is no justice in the USA and hence forcing Microsoft to give away it's pathetic OS FREE for at least 25 years more. I bet if it was a Japanese company that screwed everyone but didn't make tax dollars for the ailing economy there would be a lot more fuss kicked up ;)
:confused:
Title: Re: IGN is suing Sony over the removal of Linux
Post by: ElPolloDiabl on April 30, 2010, 02:58:50 PM
Nobody forced them to sell it at a loss. Shouldn't they be charged for dumping for doing that anyway?
Title: Re: IGN is suing Sony over the removal of Linux
Post by: jkirk on April 30, 2010, 03:05:42 PM
Quote from: Fanscale;556010
Nobody forced them to sell it at a loss. Shouldn't they be charged for dumping for doing that anyway?

that will never happen. simply because all game companies do the same thing. drop prices to move units fast even at a loss. nintendo is wising up to not taking a loss on hardware tho. heck even cell phone companies do that.
Title: Re: IGN is suing Sony over the removal of Linux
Post by: Matt_H on April 30, 2010, 03:37:06 PM
Quote from: haywirepc;555954
I think thats great news. You can't sell someone something with a set of features and then take those features back without offering a refund or partial refund at least. Many people bought the ps3 instead of xbox BECAUSE it supported linux.
 
They can't just take back features like that, its immoral and probably illegal.
 
Its like buying a 4 wheel drive truck and then the car company just disabling 4 wheel drive a year after you buy the car, its just wrong.
 
I hope they get slammed in court for millions, or get forced to reinstate those features, that would be a better outcome.
 
Steven


Is anyone really surprised, though? This is part of why I haven't purchased a Sony product in ages (the other part being that every previous Sony product I've owned - audio products and the like - has broken down and failed tremendously). Vote with your wallet, folks.

Unfortunately, this case probably isn't going anywhere for the simple fact that PS3 boxes, manuals, websites, etc., probably all contain the words "Specifications subject to change without notice", which Sony's lawyers will take to be implicit understanding on the part of the consumer that he/she has no rights.
Title: Re: IGN is suing Sony over the removal of Linux
Post by: runequester on April 30, 2010, 05:18:50 PM
In the world of electronic games and software, you pretty much never own anything anymore, whether its your software or increasingly the hardware

Welcome to the future
Title: Re: IGN is suing Sony over the removal of Linux
Post by: adolescent on April 30, 2010, 05:19:39 PM
Quote from: Matt_H;556016
Is anyone really surprised, though? This is part of why I haven't purchased a Sony product in ages (the other part being that every previous Sony product I've owned - audio products and the like - has broken down and failed tremendously). Vote with your wallet, folks.

Unfortunately, this case probably isn't going anywhere for the simple fact that PS3 boxes, manuals, websites, etc., probably all contain the words "Specifications subject to change without notice", which Sony's lawyers will take to be implicit understanding on the part of the consumer that he/she has no rights.


Box and manual don't say that. :angry:  It's one thing to change advertised specs, but they can't retroactively change those that were already purchased.
Title: Re: IGN is suing Sony over the removal of Linux
Post by: Matt_H on April 30, 2010, 05:31:45 PM
Quote from: adolescent;556021
Box and manual don't say that. :angry:  


Interesting - that's like Disclaimers 101. You sure it's not there? It's probably in 4pt font or something.

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It's one thing to change advertised specs, but they can't retroactively change those that were already purchased.


I think US consumer protection laws are too weak to do anything about it, unfortunately. There might be a better chance in a European court.
Title: Re: IGN is suing Sony over the removal of Linux
Post by: kolla on April 30, 2010, 05:35:31 PM
Quote from: koshman;555946
Now that is some interesting and unexpected news...

What do you mean "unexpected"?