C vs C++ ... or whatever language

[Plaz]

Accelerated C++: Practical Programming

I gave this a quick read today. I found it moves very quickly which may be a problem for new learners. (of course the first clue is "accererated") By the end of chapter 3 I wanted to raise my hand and as the instructor a question. Dang it, not included.

Plaz

[nicholas]

I gave this a quick read today. I found it moves very quickly which may be a problem for new learners. (of course the first clue is "accererated") By the end of chapter 3 I wanted to raise my hand and as the instructor a question. Dang it, not included.

Plaz

Hehe

Yeah it's not for absolute beginners with no experience though I did give my old copy to a neighbour's sister last Friday who has only ever done a bit of JS (I think) with Codecademy, so it should be a good test of it. Admittedly she's got me to ask questions to.

[SamuraiCrow]

Arguably, C++ is not for beginners either.

[psxphill]

Arguably, C++ is not for beginners either.

It depends on how long you want to stay a beginner. If you're after instant gratification then c++ is not ideal.

There is no reason a beginner couldn't go straight for assembly language.

[guest11527]

It depends on how long you want to stay a beginner. If you're after instant gratification then c++ is not ideal.

There is no reason a beginner couldn't go straight for assembly language.

While I tend to agree, I believe he got a point. C++ does not force you into a particular programming style. While this property of the language is certainly helpful for advanced programmers, it makes it unecessary hard for beginners to develop a good style.

[nicholas]

Arguably, C++ is not for beginners either.

I'd agree generally, but C++ in a "C with Classes" style is fine for total beginners in my experience.

This book proves it really http://steveheller.org/whoscpp.htm

[psxphill]

C++ does not force you into a particular programming style. While this property of the language is certainly helpful for advanced programmers, it makes it unecessary hard for beginners to develop a good style.

But taking a detour via another language isn't going to develop a good style either.

Your argument is like saying: Chinese is hard to learn, so instead of learning it when you are a child you should learn another language first and speak that for a while and then learn chinese when you're in your 30's.

Developing a good style is an innate skill. If you struggle then you're probably not cut out for development.

[guest11527]

But taking a detour via another language isn't going to develop a good style either.

I don't think so. Look, once you've learned one language, it is relatively easy to carry over concepts to another. Good software developers will master whatever language they should write programs in. It is just hard to get started and understand the concepts.

Otherwise, people from my age would have never been able to develop a style as probably most of us started from Basic. And that is a terrible language.

[Karlos]

I can say that in all honesty, I've had the most fun coding in C++ on the Amiga. It's a huge Swiss Army knife and I've found uses for almost every language feature but for 68K/Amiga my preferred approach is C with Classes with minor uses of templates, usually to provide type safe interfaces to low level specialisations around void* pointers or to provide custom inline assembler for certain operations.

These days I rarely get to code anything outside of work, let alone on the Amiga

[kolla]

What C++ options are there for Amiga?

[Kronos]

GCC obviously.

You could also go with StormC which might have been a MaxonC derivate from V1 to V3 and was GCC based in V4.

[Plaz]

What C++ options are there for Amiga?

With tech assist from Chris_Y I built GCC 6.x cross compiler, successfully build Netsurf and ran it on AmigaForver.

Plaz

[nicholas]

GCC obviously.

You could also go with StormC which might have been a MaxonC derivate from V1 to V3 and was GCC based in V4.

SAS/C 7.01 supports a subset of C++ too.

http://aminet.net/package/dev/c/expsascxx

[Kronos]

SAS/C 7.01 supports a subset of C++ too.

http://aminet.net/package/dev/c/expsascxx

You obviously never tried to compile C++ with that.

I did, on an 68030 with 7MB (4MB on the A2630,2MB Z2 and 1MB CHIP).

It might be somewhat useable with today's resources (NG or UAE) ....



.... for compiling and running........

[nicholas]

You obviously never tried to compile C++ with that.

I did, on an 68030 with 7MB (4MB on the A2630,2MB Z2 and 1MB CHIP).

It might be somewhat useable with today's resources (NG or UAE) ....


.... for compiling and running........

Who in their right mind compiles anything bigger than hello world on 68k silicon today though?

SAS/C 7 ran fine under MorphOS on my PowerBook last time I tried (circa 2013) but obviously there are far better solutions like GCC.

It's a shame vbcc was never given C++ support IMHO though.