The X1000 will be > $2,225

[Retro_71]

Very True and look i do hope you sell heaps but for me i wish the specs were better, then i would buy one. Hopefully when you make the next version it will be either more powerful (then i don't mind spending the money) or cheaper.
I don't really follow any camp and at the same time i follow all (i have heaps of system that i love to mess around with and put all the Different AOS on them).
Can't wait to see what will happen in the next year or so should be very interesting.

[ajlwalker]

Very True and look i do hope you sell heaps but for me i wish the specs were better, then i would buy one. Hopefully when you make the next version it will be either more powerful (then i don't mind spending the money) or cheaper.
I don't really follow any camp and at the same time i follow all (i have heaps of system that i love to mess around with and put all the Different AOS on them).
Can't wait to see what will happen in the next year or so should be very interesting.

Which is the attitude I wish there was more of round here.

Nothing wrong with some constructive criticism.  You recognise that this is hopefully a first step to something either more affordable, more powerful, or let's dream - both!

[Retro_71]

ajlwalker
and what does OS4 do that is so special? that can't be on on my PC. i like OS4 but it's a hobby OS for me.
Everyone and I include were referring to the A1000 launch since that was the start of Amiga and it was way ahead of its time, and since references in it name and other places refer to the A1000 why shouldn't i compare them. i have never mentioned any other Amiga and your wrong the CD32 was ahead in the console market for its time..
Comes down to Average Spec high price where is the bang for the buck??
In your response to you claim that the other Amiga's where not cutting edge but except for the A4000 the other were much cheaper then what is on offer today even in 1990's terms.
This is a hobbyist computer but they have priced it out of reach of the large majority if you want to spend that kind of money then go right ahead i am not stopping you.
My hope is they make a better or cheaper version next time around

[DAX]

ajlwalker
and what does OS4 do that is so special? that can't be on on my PC. i like OS4 but it's a hobby OS for me.
Everyone and I include were referring to the A1000 launch since that was the start of Amiga and it was way ahead of its time, and since references in it name and other places refer to the A1000 why shouldn't i compare them. i have never mentioned any other Amiga and your wrong the CD32 was ahead in the console market for its time..
Comes down to Average Spec high price where is the bang for the buck??
In your response to you claim that the other Amiga's where not cutting edge but except for the A4000 the other were much cheaper then what is on offer today even in 1990's terms.
This is a hobbyist computer but they have priced it out of reach of the large majority if you want to spend that kind of money then go right ahead i am not stopping you.
My hope is they make a better or cheaper version next time around

I believe that what he meant was that those Amiga he mentioned were loved for other reasons not because they were cutting edge.
AmigaOS4 for YOU does nothing I'm sure, but this machine is not aimed at classic users with an interest in the platform. Trevor Dickinson spoke many times at amigaworld.net and it is clear he and his friend (a partner with which he invested in a lot of successful venture before) are not willing to put in the kind of money needed for a mainstream machine (you need to order several tens of thousands pieces which are HUGE money) untill they evolve the platform and test the "pulse" of it all.

The X1000 is mainly aimed at developers and AOS4 aficionados with deep pockets, potentially more appealing machines might come down the line, so stay tuned (and in the mean time why don't you try a cheaper option?)

[Retro_71]

LOL you mean Sam or others No thanks i will wait until you make a better one..
or Natami or FPGA Arcade come out (actually i have put aside money for all 3 plus some C64 stuff). It true i don't use any of the AOS for day to day stuff BUT i would like to when they can offer the Apps i need and are more mature.
But at least we are living in these very interesting time can't wait for everything to come to fruition.
Good luck with everything and keep us posted. In all fairness i am not against this system and i never have been my only issue is its pricing and specs.

[DAX]

LOL you mean Sam or others No thanks i will wait until you make a better one..
or Natami or FPGA Arcade come out (actually i have put aside money for all 3 plus some C64 stuff). It true i don't use any of the AOS for day to day stuff BUT i would like to when they can offer the Apps i need and are more mature.
But at least we are living in these very interesting time can't wait for everything to come to fruition.
Good luck with everything and keep us posted. In all fairness i am not against this system and i never have been my only issue is its pricing and specs.

FYI I'm not part of the development team, just a fan speaking here
Anyway, I actually meant AROS or MorphOS

[Retro_71]

which i use too like i said before i like all the AOS and don't side with any camp but the same applies to them as OS4. it really time i shut up i haven't talked this much in months and months!!!!

[A1260]

I haven't owned an Amiga since I sold my 4000 in the mid nineties but do check in a couple of times a week.

As much as i'd like a new one (and can afford £1500), it's just too expensive.

Great to see new hardware (& some innovation again) , but it harks back to the days when A2000's cost an arm and a leg.... the market has changed to the point that laptops & desktops are almost throwaway items.

We would have loved to have stocked this in the shop but it's not 1989 anymore.

Here's hoping they get their costs down and it becomes affordable.

your rigth its not 1989, its 2010 and when your a new company and order spesific hw made in low quantity it will cost an arm and a leg regardless of the year your in.

if you want it and have the money you should buy it, its notthing to sit on the fence for, its after all the best amiga ever released and you dont have to upgrade every 3 year as the pc. if you want it and dont have the money right now, then you can save up a year or two, it aint worse than that. while you wait the aos will also mature more, its a win win anyway how you see it.

[koaftder]

your rigth its not 1989, its 2010 and when your a new company and order spesific hw made in low quantity it will cost an arm and a leg regardless of the year your in.

if you want it and have the money you should buy it, its notthing to sit on the fence for, its after all the best amiga ever released and you dont have to upgrade every 3 year as the pc. if you want it and dont have the money right now, then you can save up a year or two, it aint worse than that. while you wait the aos will also mature more, its a win win anyway how you see it.

Waiting two years to save up will probably not be likely as it's highly improbable that A-Eon will survive. This machine may have an absurdly high failure rate as well. Suppose A-Eon goes under after a year and only 200 boards were made and 25% of them failed. What's the motivation for Hyperion to even continue supporting it? What's the likely hood they'll actually deliver support for everything on the board in that scenario? There are a *LOT* of reasons to be on the fence right now.

[ajlwalker]

Waiting two years to save up will probably not be likely as it's highly improbable that A-Eon will survive. This machine may have an absurdly high failure rate as well. Suppose A-Eon goes under after a year and only 200 boards were made and 25% of them failed. What's the motivation for Hyperion to even continue supporting it? What's the likely hood they'll actually deliver support for everything on the board in that scenario? There are a *LOT* of reasons to be on the fence right now.

Do Varisys have a 25% failure rate then?

[ffastback]

This machine may have an absurdly high failure rate as well.

What gives you the expectation that Varisys ( http://www.varisys.co.uk/ ) will likely output that high a percentage of defective product?

What's the motivation for Hyperion to even continue supporting it?

They've married their company name to the product.  The most loyal and ardent AmigaOS 4 fans will be the owners of X-1000s for the most part.  If they piss off that group, they sign their own death warrant.

What's the likely hood they'll actually deliver support for everything on the board in that scenario?

Nobody ever thought the Peg2 would run AOS 4.x, but it does.  And thats not even a machine they were associated with.  Why would they not seek to support as many features as they could on the X1000 even if it had low sales?  Whats the alternative?  Never advance to 64 bit?  Never go multi-core?   Those are the things that would make users want to eventually upgrade their SAMs anyway.

[billt]

I don't care about the price in deciding if I want one or not. I definitely want one.

That said, I'm not sure I'd be able to convince the wife on such a purchase, even if the whole package was only US$1000. Maybe I should start a stealth savings account. But it'd still take a long time to stealthily save up very much.