SAM 460 poor performance, high price

[Piru]

In number crunching SAM 460 is barely as fast as the Pegasos2 G4@1GHz if you don't account for the altivec. If altivec is taken into account then G4@1GHz runs circles around the system. Granted, Sam460 has a faster memory interface, but the number crunching figures are quite disappointing.

Why is it that it's so hard to find SPECint and SPECfp figures for AMCC460? AMCC appears to only quote some DMIPS values which frankly are quite useless.

I would have expected a new HW to actually surpass the 6-7 year old one, especially considering the extremely high price of the system. Sam 440 systems were already pricey but this 460 takes it to a new level (900 eur).

Just because something is "new" doesn't make it better anymore.

[jorkany]

I've heard that the 460 CPU is "cool". I'm not sure if that refers to it's heat dissipation or something else though.

[Piru]

Hmm, now that I think about it this thread might have a better home at "Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion". Mods: Move if you wish.

[dammy]

In number crunching SAM 460 is barely as fast as the Pegasos2 G4@1GHz if you don't account for the altivec. If altivec is taken into account then G4@1GHz runs circles around the system. Granted, Sam460 has a faster memory interface, but the number crunching figures are quite disappointing.

Why is it that it's so hard to find SPECint and SPECfp figures for AMCC460? AMCC appears to only quote some DMIPS values which frankly are quite useless.

I would have expected a new HW to actually surpass the 6-7 year old one, especially considering the extremely high price of the system. Sam 440 systems were already pricey but this 460 takes it to a new level (900 eur).

Just because something is "new" doesn't make it better anymore.

I guess it depends on what the SPECint/SPECfp figures are like from the A1X1K.  I think that will be the defining moment for the SAM460.  If it's close and the if retail A1X1K package is around 2K-2.2K EUROs, the SAM460 might be the big sales winner.

OTOH, 900 EUROs is mid level Alienware laptop range: http://www.dell.com/us/p/alienware-m15x/pd?refid=alienware-m15x&~ck=mn

[mbrantley]

Just because something is "new" doesn't make it better anymore.

It does make it available, however. Well, at least when the Sam460 is shipping to end AmigaOS users. That's worth a lot to me anyway.

[klx300r]

...I would have expected a new HW to actually surpass the 6-7 year old one, especially considering the extremely high price of the system. Sam 440 systems were already pricey but this 460 takes it to a new level (900 eur).

Just because something is "new" doesn't make it better anymore.

give it time...the Sam460ex is a nice evolution of the Sam440ep and is only in existence because there was demand for the Sam440 which is a great sign for AmigaOS in general.  ACube has given me great support with my Samflex@800 in the year and a half that I have owned it so there is great merit in buying new hardware from a respected supplier indeed.

[Piru]

It does make it available, however. Well, at least when the Sam460 is shipping to end AmigaOS users.

Ah indeed. It's 3 months late already.

My guess is that they don't want to repeat the SAM 440 disaster where the OS experience was far from stellar.

[klx300r]

Ah indeed. It's 3 months late already.

My guess is that they don't want to repeat the SAM 440 disaster where the OS experience was far from stellar.

I'm sure potential customers are more than happy to wait a bit for a quality product from a respected supplier.

as for the launch of the Sam440, I would'nt call it a disaster  by any stretch of the imagination, in less than a year we've seen 2 updates to AmigaOS4.1u2 and 3 patches/fixes from ACube that have made the Sam440/OS4.1 experience better and better each time.....again the merits of buying new products from a trusted supplier who is committed to providing future products.

[Iggy]

The SAM460 should be a nice improvement over the SAM440.
I'm not sure its fair to compoare it to a used 1Ghz Pegasos anymore than it would be fair to compare the same Pegasos to my 1.8 Ghz Powermac.


All are fast enough to do what they need to do. After all, Amiga related software isn't that demanding.

You want power? Wait for G5 support under MorphOS or hope that a SAM465 is created.

[jj]

Im guessing Piru doesn't need to wait

[klx300r]

Im guessing Piru doesn't need to wait

understatement of the year:) hey but never say never..one day he might be running MOS on a new Sam475:razz:

[jj]

I meant for G5 support

[gazgod]

Having owned a Peg 2 and a sam 440, can anyone guess which one I sold?

Gaz

[klx300r]

Having owned a Peg 2 and a sam 440, can anyone guess which one I sold?

Gaz

i went crazy at one time trying to find a used PegII but I can honestly say I don't regret buying a brand new Sam:)

[Iggy]

Having owned a Peg 2 and a sam 440, can anyone guess which one I sold?

Gaz

Uh, let's see. They both run Amiga OS 4,1 and the Peg will also run MorphOS. Plus the Peg is faster.

So you kept the SAM, right?  :roflmao: